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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
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• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri May 23 01:18:44 EDT 2003
  
  Yes kupps, I asked from that pt of view. But, Vengayam answer paNNaley :-)
  
  Vengayam: thanks for your sharing on 2 songs / record. I wagely remember that "ulagil irandu kiLigal" (PS, TMS, SPB and Sj) also comes under this category.
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Fri May 23 01:35:13 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu,
  Presently I am up in UP. OISG sent me off on a tangent bringing Periyar in.
  Pacchai killi muthu charam
  Poo maalayil
  azhagiya thirumagal ival
  all were two siders.
  Most MGR movies & some Sivaji films had at least one of them.
  
  There was another side to the coin sometimes in the record there would be only two stanzas and bingo in the theatre there would be a third. Saravanan will help me out with the examples.
  ( I think "Mayakkamenna intha mownamenna "from Vasantha Maaligai had an additional stanza in the film.Hope I am right this time.)
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Fri May 23 01:39:32 EDT 2003
  
  Subbu,
  Presently I am up in UP. OISG sent me off on a tangent bringing Periyar in.
  Pacchai killi muthu charam
  Poo maalayil
  azhagiya thirumagal ival
  all were two siders.
  Most MGR movies & some Sivaji films had at least one of them.
  
  There was another side to the coin sometimes in the record there would be only two stanzas and bingo in the theatre there would be a third. Saravanan will help me out with the examples.
  ( I think "Mayakkamenna intha mownamenna "from Vasantha Maaligai had an additional stanza in the film.Hope I am right this time.)
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri May 23 01:46:27 EDT 2003
  
  Correct Vengayam, not only Mayakkamenna.... many old songs has two different versions.
  - En keLvikkenna badhil (TMS& PS). The film (uyarndha manidhan) version was damn good than the one on record
  - Thedinen vandhadhu (PS) also had two versions with lots of classic humming in between (film version)
  - NaaLai indha velai paarthu (PS). She sings the film version only on stages.
  - Unnai KaaNaadha kaNNum kaNNalla has got 3 charaNams but it record it is with only 2
  - Sirippil undaagumn raagathiley (TMS & PS). The film version was different from the record's
  - Maraindhirundhu paarkkum (PS). The film version was with the jathi's for navarasams also in between.
  
  May be, am not tuned to the latest songs after 90... not able to list any such 2 different versionised songs.
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri May 23 02:05:32 EDT 2003
  
  One such 2-versions song from 80's from Kadal meengal. "Mayile mayile Kumara kumara..." and "Madhani madhani kozhundhaa kozhundhaa" sung by MVD + PS. The first version was used in film as there was objections from censor, but the lips movements were not in sync, as the shoot was over with the "Madhani" version.
  
  Guys... sorry for the deviations....:-)
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.229) on: Fri May 23 03:11:28 EDT 2003
  
  Vengayam: some more songs that had an additional verse in the film were - Unnidathil ennai koduthen, Manamgaley un manavarai kolam, Anbulla maanvizhiyey, Pongum kadalosai--
  
  Btw, I am waiting eagerly for Udhaya's appreciation of SOTD--- hope he'll go easy on Jency, though : )
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on: Fri May 23 06:58:13 EDT 2003
  
  eera vizhik kaaviyangaL is one of the milestone movies for Raja.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 66.185.85.78) on: Fri May 23 07:09:05 EDT 2003
  
  bb - could not resist writing something good and something bad about this SOTD. Yes, EVK was perhaps the best of IR those days, he wandered with gay abandon in the labyrinths of the acoustics. My pick of the album is kanavil mithakkum. Before Udhaya, I pump in my not so humble opinion about Illayaraja.
  
  It was one of the assault on his listeners to pump his crude voice along with another stupid voice of Jency. As you see that these were the days when arrogance was catching up on him. I like his voice in several songs and even have the opinion that no one could have done better for some of them; samakkozhi, janani, nila athu vAnaththumEla, raja.. rajadhi, thendral vanthu theendum, so forth. There are 100 other songs where he could have saved his fans by choosing someone better and SOTD is one of them. Any top artists of the day, SPB, KJY or JC would have done it much better.
  
  I can even forgive him for self-promotion, but can never tolerate promoting these mediocre singers - Jency, SPShailaja, KrishnaChandar, Deepan Chakravarthy, Mano,... IMHO, IR should be solely held culpable for Mano, Jency and SPS.
  
  Contrast this with the usage of Uma Ramanan - anandha raagam, sevanthi pukkaLil, kaNmani nIvara, kasthuri manE, - every single song from her was great and still IR would use her sparingly.
  
  Still cannot fathom the choice of self for this experiment - it is a great assault on my aural sensibility. IMAO, IR practised singing in the recording room. Otherwise I cannot comprehend his rendition in this song as against the later days thendral vanthu theendum or nila athu.
  
  EVK would have become a great musical hit had he chosen proper singers for his composition. This is one movie where he was experimenting like The Beatles used to. And till date, I have the opinion that a composition like kanavil mithakkum can come only under the influence of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Fri May 23 08:09:10 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan,
  EVK is my #1 IR album, not much to complain her. I suffer through IR and Jency here like one suffers through courting a desirable girl by having to suffer her annoying friends and siblings.
  
  Venkat,
  Some exceptions to your post. I would take any IR song from EVK over all the ones you tolerate by him, especially "Thendral Vandhu". I'm a huge fan of Deepan Chakravarthy's deep voice (poongathavae, raagam oru raagam, sevvandhi pookkal, poojaikkaaga vaazhum, "Enakkaaga Kaathiru" songs were tops). The rest in your list could all be lined up back to back in order to not waste more than one bullet on their collective existance.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Fri May 23 11:16:35 EDT 2003
  
  udhaya, this reinforces your preference to early IR.
  
  I do not mind DC (pun intented) in songs like PoongathavE. But, on poojaikkaaga vaazhum he was a joke. That song is to bring all the anger, rage, fire, disappointment, agony, anguish,... and exasperate the listener. But DC ends up gasping for his breath like a chronic bronchial asthma patient at the end of a 100 meters dash on an early markhazi morning, with a paroxysmal laboured breathing.
  
  The real joke was that he ended up winning the State Award for the best singer for this abysmal performance, where SPB set fire in all the other songs in the film (or anything else he sang on that year).
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri May 23 12:02:19 EDT 2003
  
  Venkat, Uma Ramanan is nowhere close to being the great singer you claim her to be. She probably got more songs than she deserved while much better singers like VJ would go under used.
  UR went nasal in the higher notes and her expression left much to be desired. She was at best a light music troupe singer and should have just stuck to singing in AV Ramanan's Musiano.
  If many of her songs are listenable its because she was lucky to mostly get good tunes like Jency did. The value they added to IRs tunes was minimal. Its just the sheer prowess of his compositions that carried many songs in the early 80s.
  
  
  Raja's choice of singers always was erratic and unpredictable. (I would have liked the Rajaangahm guys to have brought up this topic when they had a chance to meet him)
  
  On the topic of bad choice of singers marring good songs, "Konja neram ennai marandhen" from Sirithu vaazha vendum has been mauled by TMS with his 200%(both noses) nasal rendition. I was listening to it a couple of days back. How one wishes that MSV hadnt stuck with TMS even in the seventies and had switched to SPB/KJY much earlier! Its like MDs fall in love with some voices, for some reasons, which fail us, and then stick with them throughout.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.232) on: Fri May 23 12:09:58 EDT 2003
  
  venkat,
  I know "Kaadhal Oviyam's" Chennai, NSC distributor (That they lost their shirts in this movie is beside the point.) His version is that SPB didn't pan out for that song because of the lyrical complexity, that's why DC ended up singing it. The only two people who could've bested this song's Thamizh were Sirghazi or TMS. But TMS had blown his voice sometime in the early 70s. So unless the stalwarts from the 40s to 60s were around, there weren't too many known singers to do justice to VM's Thamizh in this song.
  
  I was surprised myself that SPB wasn't chosen for this song. Another reason why SPB could've opted out: I remember production on KO being very chaotic. If you listen closely, SPB didn't render his best work in many of the KO songs. "Nadhiyil aadum" and "Kuyilae" sound the best, the rest somehow sound strained and without SPB's usual ease. Rumor was that BarathiRaja, an unflinching taskmaster even on those he loved and adored, had sealed off SPB in the studio demanding that he not go anywhere before recording all the scheduled songs without a break. Perhaps an exhausted SPB wanted out for "Poojaikkaaga" or BR and IR asked for a native singer of Thamizh for that song, the details are still sketchy.
  
  Sidebar: BR expected his perfectionism from everyone he collaborated with. He and SPB were long time pals. Before BR was discovered, SPB took him around Kollywood and introduced him to many prospects unsuccessfully for a script about a village girl's coming of age and the cripple who pines for her. So, the scenario I mentioned above was more of "anbu thollai" than arrogant controlling by BR on SPB.
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Fri May 23 12:47:35 EDT 2003
  
  vijay - beg to differ, substantially. I have my own low opinion about VJ (like someone said, opinions are like ..., everybody is entitled to have one :). VJ has this inimical vocal quality to shatter any glass around in the recording rooms. Her voice is suitable only for a teacher-amma.
  
  If you think that UR has not elevated the quality of poongathavE, kasturi or kaNmani then it is difficult to convince. In fact, her very first song, aanantha raagam kEtkum kaalam is very difficult, lesser mortals would have not have managed to come unscathed.
  
  I would go on listing manjaL veyil (nandu), Bhoopaalam isaikkum (thooral...), so forth. Just go through the list of songs by UR to grasp that she lived upto her expectation in each one of these songs. Most of them were tough. I can easily cite songs murdered by jency, or even VJ, but hard to find UR spoiled song.
  
  If you consign and confine AVRamanan to the stage, I can comprehed that. Uma is much better singer.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Fri May 23 12:58:33 EDT 2003
  
  Venkat, even in some of the songs that you mentioned, UR's voice has a strong nasal touch to it. The range over which she could maintain her voice was substantially less as compared to VJs. Listen to the opening humming of "kavidhai kelungal". I cannot imagine UR doing that.
  
  "Anandha raagam" is "difficult" to sing by URs standards, I agree :-) Some of VJs songs fro MSV especially like "malligai", "thangathil mugam eduthu", "thendralil aadum" etc. cannot be rendered by UR with the same authenticity.
  
  Most of those songs are memorable because of the tunes and not the singers. Just like how you listen to "en vaanile" from Johny repeatedly in spite of Jency.
  
  

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