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Topic started by Bhaskar (@ ww-tk02.proxy.aol.com) on Sat Jan 3 00:48:33 EST 1998.
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From: kiru(ba) (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Fri Jan 8 03:05:51 EST 1999

YathrMozhi is absolutely fantastic. Classic IR and good recording as well. Kaliyoonjal sounds familiar to me (like Varusham 16 or Kizhakku vAsal).
I will try to listen to other songs.

Is 'YatraMozhi' available on CDs ?
From: VM (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on: Fri Jan 8 12:10:59 EST 1999

Sri Ramaney Unnai seethai thedinal - KANGALIN VARTHAIGAL is a derivative of 'Vaanpole vannamkondu vanthai gopalane' from Salangai Oli
From: SUREN (@ webcache03p.cache.pol.co.uk) on: Fri Jan 8 15:17:17 EST 1999

it`s a carnatic ragam; VM..
From: MaKaSu (@ ppp12-226.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Sat Jan 9 07:12:03 EST 1999

Dear Neels,

Thanx for your info. on "sparisam". PS, can u
verify this?

Dear Vimal,

The male singer in "thalayai kuniyum thamarayae"
is SPB and the female singer is Rajeswari. The
movie is "oru odai nadhiyagiradhu". This is an
excellent song set in raaga reethigaulai
From: SPS (@ atlantis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Sun Jan 10 04:36:41 EST 1999

MaKaSu, Neels: Ravi was the MD for the movie Sparism. I dont know who directed the movie. [Ref Threads: Songs Stats (nov 28, 29) & SP Shailaja (Aug 11).. (use search engine to easily reach ;)) ]
From: sathya (@ ucmrxi076203.uc.edu) on: Sun Jan 10 13:38:36 EST 1999

Hi Folks,
I will be extremely grateful to you if any one of you could tell me any real audio sites where I can listen to the songs of "salangai oli".
Thanks,
Sathya
From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Feb 17 09:51:35 EST 1999

Revived.
From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Feb 17 09:53:45 EST 1999

http://newtfmpage.com/forum/21695.04.38.59.html
Some discussion can be found here.
From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Feb 17 10:48:32 EST 1999

Srikanth,

While all the mags were raving about DG's BGM , u r the only guy to give statements like "where is Raja" etc.

"thoongaravangaLa ezhuppalAm, thoongara mAdhiri nadippavargalai..." -engEyO kEtta mAdhiri irukku illai :-)))
From: Madhan,Goa (@ 202.41.117.63) on: Wed Feb 17 12:15:08 EST 1999

I think Srikanth is "kanganam kattufied" to put down Raja - I don't know why ? Well, Srikanth, were you refused an interview by Raja anytime?!!

At least your postings force me to think so.
From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Wed Feb 17 18:46:19 EST 1999

DG's BGM is one of the best in recent times. Wondering how it didn't impress Srikanth!!!
From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Feb 17 23:26:29 EST 1999

The latest A'Vikatan has Raja's family photo in
the cover page and a detailed interview inside.
From: Rex (@ pppa25-resalegainesvillefl1-3r1052.saturn.bbn.com) on: Thu Feb 18 02:35:41 EST 1999

Salangai Oli songs are available with Ramaswamy Gireesan's page.
From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Feb 18 11:20:40 EST 1999

MaKaSu: About Thalaiyai Kuniyum(What a fantastic song, he really brings out the beauty of Reethigowlai), is the female singer MS Rajeswari? Has she sung a song in Guna? Thanks for the info....
From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Feb 18 13:04:09 EST 1999

geetha, yup .it's Rajeshwari.
From: PS (@ semiramis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Feb 19 00:13:03 EST 1999

geethaa: if u r thinking of 'unnai naan aRivEn, enai andri yaar aRivaar' in guNaa, its by SJ and varalxmi... I dont know wether rajeswari had sung any in gunaa!
From: velu_bhai (@ user-38ld9e6.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Fri Feb 19 01:08:22 EST 1999

ms. rajeshwari : naan siruchaal deepavali hoi....
From: rameshb (@ spider-wl022.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Feb 19 04:35:56 EST 1999

Hmmmm........
i think i have to get behind the wheels once again to bring this vehicle back on track before it hits the divider and crashes;-))
Continuing on variety in Raja's creativity, he has certainly demonstrated his superiority over others in his pathos creations. There are numbers that are as haunting as sonnathu neethana in conveying the message. For Raja the verses were not dominant over his BGM unlike the songs of 60's where kavingar was running the show in most cases,IMO.
Ever heared of a soulful ,meloncholic ,haunting flute recital in the prelude of a song that sets the mood of the song and walks you through the woe caused by demise of the hero's love , the emotions pining for the lost love, the pains of a downcast heart so much to make you feel the fervor of grief. Take a listen to 'naan padum mouna ragam' , the haunting flute piece blows off steamM so much to make you feel the agony. The violin pieces tell you the sob story. SPB adores the song with his soulful rendering and the lyrics take care of the rest.

"naan paadum mouna raagam kEtkavillayA
enkAthal rANi innum thoogavillayA
kanneeril unnai thaedugiren
ennOdu nAnE pAdugirEn

unnai kaNdu thendralum nindru pOnathundu
unnaik kANa veNNilA vanthu pOnathundu
yEn dEvi indru nee ennai kolgirAi
muL meethu yEnadi thoogach cholgirAi
unnai thEdi thEdiyE enthan Avi pOnathu
koothAnE indru vAzhuthu
koodu ingu kuyilaithAne thEduthu

kaNgaL ennum sOlayil kAthal vAngi vanthEn
vAngi vantha pinputhAn sAbam endru kaNdEn
en sAbam theeravE yOgam illayE
en sOgam padavE rAgam illayE
poovum veezhthu pOnathu kAmbu ingu vAduthu
kAlam ennai kELvi kEtkuthu
kElvi indru gEliyAthi pOnathu "

will be back!
From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Feb 19 07:26:41 EST 1999

Shankar/PS/Velu_bhai: Thanks for the info. I think the name I'm looking for is Varalakshmi. By the way, I'm sure Naan Sirithaal Deepavali wasby Jamuna Rani....was Rajeswari another voice on the song? Is the Guna song, Unnai Naan available anywhere on the web? I don't have it on my Guna album.
From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Feb 19 08:59:36 EST 1999

velu_bhai(!!),

nAn siricha was by jikki and the lady who sang "miyao..miyao poonaikutti (is her name rajeshwari?? she's not the lady who sang thalayai kuniyum thAmarayE)
From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Feb 19 09:01:00 EST 1999

geetha,
I didn't notice ur posting .Yup. the lady who sang miyao miyao is jamuna rani. The other singer as i said earlier is Jikki.
From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Feb 19 09:33:20 EST 1999

Thanks Shankar
From: Suresh (@ bluebird.qut.edu.au) on: Sat Feb 20 01:08:26 EST 1999

I urge anyone who hasn't so far, to listen to
"unnai ethirpaarthen" from Vanaja Girija (what a rotten movie to score for!). I don't mind being labelled an IR fanatic; show me a song in the 90s matching it for the way the tune, orchestration, chorus, humming, interludes, vocals, are all blended the way IR has done. This is sheer creative genius; for those who deride that IR doesn't pay attention to minute details in composing these days, this is the answer.

I request those of you with classical music knowledge to listen to it & pls. comment.
From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Feb 20 03:47:33 EST 1999

Suresh,
thanx for reminding me of that wonderful number.

A haunting song!!!
From: Madhan, Goa. (@ 202.41.117.101) on: Mon Feb 22 09:20:48 EST 1999

In the same VANAJA GIRIJA, there is another song, "Munnam seidhu thavam unnai yennidathhil saerththadhu "by SPB and SJ - i think it is based on Raag Keeravani - terrific number - especially the humming chorus in the first interlude and the flute shrieks in the second interlude.
From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Feb 23 11:26:18 EST 1999

Suresh,

I have a group of similar songs:

(1) Unnai ehtirparhten
(2) Ennuley
(3) OOradangum saamathila
(4) Sanathana maarbiley
(5) Guru charanam (and 4 othere from guru)
(6) en iniya pon nilavey
(7) Etho mogam
(8) Pon veyililey
(9) thaimavin thanalil
(10)Thendral vandhu theendum pothu

I can find a similarity in all these compositions. They are Great, the sweetest and most innovative
From: karthik (@ 207.78.88.252) on: Tue Feb 23 17:26:34 EST 1999

I heard that U.Srinivas rendered the mandolin versions of some IR classics. Anyone heard about this one?
From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Feb 23 17:33:59 EST 1999

I think they are available in cds too. the company is inreco or pyramid or oriental.
From: rameshb (@ spider-te021.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 23 22:03:32 EST 1999

I was lisening to some Raja songs last weekend in which there were conspicuous use of carnatic flavor in the melody. I love such songs which are blended with carnatic elements as they strengthen the haunting nature of the song. In the song 'kootathile kovil pura' , SPB launches in to some swaram singing (probably called kalpana swarams) at the end of the song in a splendid manner. He is so fluent in swaying back and forth between swaras and first line of pallavi like that of a real carnatic singer. Raja deserves full credit again for bringing the best out from SPB. In another song 'keeravani'(padum paravaigal) , he has shown his excellence when he sings a preamble 'alapanai' and also kinda bridge-between first interlude and first charanam by launching into swaram singing , ending with 'Ni','Pa' and starting 'nee pAtthathAl thAnadi , soodAnathu mArgazhi'. Remarkable!. Even in some 'lighter' songs , i can see signs of creativity by Raja. In the song 'vanithamani' from Vikram, there are some preamble lyrics read in the melodious manner (kamal and ??) and SPB starts the pallavi so smoothly as if it is a continuation of the preamble lyrics! Subtle.
"kannE thottukkavA kattikkavA kattikittu ottikkavA
thottukittA paththikkumE
paththikkittA paththattumE
anjugamE nenju enna vittu vittu thudikkuthu
kattazhagi unnai enni kannu muzhi pithunguthu
koththivida vEndumendru kokku enna thudikkuthu
thappivida vEndumendru kendai meenum thavikkithu
kuLikkiRa meenukku kuLir enna adikkuthu
pasi thAngumA iLamai ini paRimArava iLamAngani"

(pallavi)
vanithAmani vanamOhini vanthAdu
kaniyOkani unrusiO thani kondAdu
unkangaLE thikki thikki pEsuthadi
ennenjilE thakka thimi thALamadi , vanthu Adadi!

.....

more later
From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Feb 24 00:39:44 EST 1999

I heard this song which starts as.. vana kuyilE kuyil tharum
on radio yesterday. A beautiful melodious song with
interesting beats. The song very much sounds Raja-ish.
Can someone give details of this song?

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