Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 11:00:50 EST 2002
IR, Thanks for the info on 'chinna raasavae'. will try playing it.
Kupps, Thanks for a new insight to 'thogai ILamayil '- IR is correct on the raga(variation) info. Tharalam pathi kelvipatadhillai. ippo oru small research panni paarthathula, appidi oru ragam list panna mathiri theriyalaiyaee. if i come across, will post it right here!
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 11:20:16 EST 2002
'Thogai ilamaiyil' with the Dha 1 sounds with a saayal of Rishabapriya(melakartha), though Nishadham varies? especially after the pallavi.. interludes resembles more swaras of Rishabapriya (Recently heard one Koteeswara iyer kriti sung elaborately by MLV).
Sorry if am confusing :-(
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88)
on: Fri Apr 5 11:47:31 EST 2002
Anu,
were u refering to the "Menamma menamma" song in Rajathiraja....athu sarasangi for sure.....is there another sarasangi in Soorasamharam?
Sindhujha,
enna adakkathin maru uruvama irukeenga?Exam epdi pannineenga?
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 11:52:16 EST 2002
Oh yes Ram, Meenamma Meenamma(Mano,Janaki)[sorry, poor in identifying the film names!!!] was the one i mentioned which is Sarasaangi.
- From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242)
on: Fri Apr 5 12:00:16 EST 2002
For Sarasaangi, what about "maharajanodu" from Sathi Leelavathi?
Also have you guys checked out "Vanitha mani" from Kaaki chattai(SPB,SJ)..strong shades of revathi (discussed this with MS sometime back)..the song seems to be a freaky usage of this scale, atleast the pallavi portion of it
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 12:09:38 EST 2002
Vijay
Thanks for the info. An addition to Sarasaangi based list - ellorum in Marubadiyum (IR, Ram, IR_fan, Vasu am i correct?).
I did'nt get the one about Revathi. can you re-post your thoughts please?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 12:26:34 EST 2002
maharaajanodu and ellorum are indeed in Sarasaangi - there is another very good song from some Kanaga movie - Thaa thandhana kummi kottu kummi kottu
- From: Rajaraman (@ 203.197.61.200)
on: Fri Apr 5 12:55:38 EST 2002
En raasave katterumbu is in lathangi. Ilaya Raaja in Walter Vetrivel. A great piece of imagination by him. Watch Parambariyathai Nokkki. This was telecat in SUN TV two/three years back. Itis a wonderful collection of famous ragaas with krithi rendering by young artistes followed by video clipping from Tamil films of songs in the same ragaa. It was from this programme that I came to know about Ilaya Raaja's varied compositions in Sindhu Bairavi.
- From: rajaraman (@ 203.197.61.200)
on: Fri Apr 5 12:57:39 EST 2002
Sorry it is not en raasave but chinna raasave
- From: Ram (@ )
on: Fri Apr 5 13:01:18 EST 2002
Rajaraman,
Even I had watched that program....but I dunno how reliable they are as they listed "Kizhakku vasal" song Padi parantha kili as Lathangi but it is an agmark keeravani....I noticed a few other errors too....
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:36:24 EST 2002
Ram, Rajaraman,
It is still fresh in my memory a TV program which featured Kunnakudi Vaidhyanathan, said he was going to play a film song on Lathangi & that was 'Chinna raasaavae'!
i had had the opportunity to play some film songs as a hobby on the violin but until today i did'nt realize the Lathangi-Sarasaangi clash in that particular song. The Madhyamam part is still a mystery when played on an instrument.
Not taking a stance just wanted to give in my thoughts.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:39:38 EST 2002
Ella thread laiyum ARR-IR sandainu intha threadkku vantha inga Ma1 Vs Ma2 sandai athaivida perusa irukku
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:41:30 EST 2002
Ram :-) ithu sandainu yen nenaikanum!??
Food for thought nu positiveaa think pannungalaen!
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:45:13 EST 2002
I was also initially under the impression that it is set in Lathangi. MS and myself were one day talking about songs in sarasaangi and that is when I realized that chinna raasaave is in Sarasaangi and not lathaangi. There are not too many madhyamam usages in this song and when it does have a madhyamam phrase, I feel that it is very clearly Sudhdha madhyamam. May be it is time to go to an ENT specialist!!! :-)
Sapthaswaram does not seem to question the validity of a raga that the candidate claims as long as it is pretty close to the actual raga of the song and as long as the cadidate renders a carnatic song in the same ragam. I have noticed this a couple of times too. Jog vs Thilang, gambeeranaattai vs naattai etc. to name a few.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:50:52 EST 2002
One more controversya thodangi vekkaren...The Mahanadhi song "Sriranga" is definitely hamsadhwani in the charanams(Kannadam thai veedU)...but the pallavi part(Right from the sloka by Shobana) sounds more like mohanam or may be uses swarams commom to mohanam and hamsadhwani...experts give insight pls.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:51:27 EST 2002
So Kelvi ithuthaan...athu Hamsadhwaniyaa,Mohanama illai Mohanakalyaniya?
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:53:38 EST 2002
IR, """May be it is time to go to an ENT specialist!!! :-) """ was a critical humor :-(
You are right about validity of ragas in quizzes but when these are authenticated (at least they say) by famous music connoisseurs (critics), it gives a sway. I think this forum serves the purpose to dissect whats in it, right? :-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:53:42 EST 2002
Ram, I think this is a healthy discussion!
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 13:59:54 EST 2002
I would vote for Mohana KalyANi :-) I think the song is meant to be a combo of Mohanam and Hamsadhwani but Shobana inadvertently touches all kayANi notes in the opening humming - after gangA shankaasha . (Ga3 pa dha2 sa ni3 pa dha2 ga3 pa ma2 ri2 ga3) nnu varum ;)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 14:03:59 EST 2002
Anu, that was meant for me and only for me
:-( hayyo thappa ninaichchukkadheenga - did not even think twice before posting - sorry sorry sorry - ippo padicha puriyardhu :-) mannchukkonga :-)
- From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242)
on: Fri Apr 5 14:24:11 EST 2002
ennappa, no takes on "vanithamani" song?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.230)
on: Fri Apr 5 14:46:14 EST 2002
vijay: hmmmm... here is what I think!!!!! but a wild guess! looks like some kind of Chakravaham and naatakapriya combination - notes I could hear - Sa Ri1 Ga3 Ma1 Pa Dha2 Ni2 Sa - and Ga2.... may be totally wrong!!! The "Pa Ni2 Ri1" phrases do give you a Revathy feel!
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 14:53:17 EST 2002
Vijay, not hearing much of Revathy though i hear some of ahirbairavi influence? i am not able to get the song name right now, but there was one IR scorer (actor: Chandrasekar), which was a sad version of whatever raga "Vanitha mani" is presented in.
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 14:55:13 EST 2002
IR, unga mesg ippo thaan paarthen. Absolutely not a problem and need'nt feel sorry. I am still a novice i guess..
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:04:44 EST 2002
IR, Ram,
Kindly give me the raga(or combo) of Karaiyadha Manamum undo in Varusham16, indeed a very appealing one. i felt it was kalyanavasantham chaayal but not purely that.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:05:03 EST 2002
Vijay,
naan sollanum nenaichatha ellam IR and Anu sollitaanga(eppadi ayyavoda samaalippu:-)
IR,thanx for the info on Mahanadi song...I have a bet witha friend...she claims that it is pure hamsadhwani....(treat la pangu kaetkama irukkara varai ungalukku nanriya iruppen)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:07:55 EST 2002
IR and Anu....enakku fluenta ularathaan theriyum...so naan sandai nu sonnathum as usual ularalthaan so seriousa eduthukaama vazhakkam pola ariya paiyana mannithu arulavum...IR u are absolutely right we are really having healthy discussions...
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:19:27 EST 2002
IR and Anu pls kaaputhunga en thalai vedichudum pola irukku...pls "16 Vayathinile" song senthoora poove enna raagamnu sollunga....ethetho ragam maathiri theriyuthu....Natabairavi,hindolam innum ennanavoo....may be an avial...but athai neengathaan solanum
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:26:17 EST 2002
Anu,
My best bet for "Varusham 16" will be chandrakauns
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:27:30 EST 2002
But it uses Ga3(IR ungalukku munnadi naan munthikitten hahahaha)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:29:13 EST 2002
Ippadiye pochunnu ennoda Prof. en fundinga cut panniduvaar...neenga thodarnthu nadathunga arattai kacheriyaa...naan saingaalama vanthu sernthukkaren
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:39:35 EST 2002
Ram, somehow there is a strange similarity atleast in the start of sendhoora poovae and chinna chinna vannakuyil (mouna ragam). Not sure, IR konjam neenga sonna nalla irukkum :-)!
- From: Vasu (@ 129.42.208.146)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:40:43 EST 2002
chinna rasave - long ago in a ragam sangeetham episode, mohan vaidya classified it as latangi. i havent heard it for long, so cant comment about it.
Info about tharalam raga - here is the Aro & Avaro ( from the raga database)
Mela: 27
Aro: s r2 g3 p d1 n3 s
Avaro: s n3 d1 p g3 r2 s
Also the raga search database has shifted its address:
Raga" target="_top">http://www.cssathya.com/v2library/html/rsearch.jsp'>Raga database (It also plays the scale now, if you dont want or if you have slower connection do not install Java Run Time environment for applets).
Kariyada manamum undo from "varsham 16" - vaguely remember from some one's (Rajaraman?) site its in hemambari or hemabhushani (?).
Anu,
yes the marubadiyum song "ellorum" can be classified as sarasangi.
- From: Vasu (@ 129.42.208.146)
on: Fri Apr 5 15:41:48 EST 2002
tried the link for easy clicking, seems didnt work, ok here its again:
http://www.cssathya.com/v2library/html/research.jsp
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