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thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.
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http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

Official audio release from Ilaiyaraaja.

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• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Wed Jul 14 20:13:20 EDT 2004
  
  And, read what IIR said about TIS
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Wed Jul 14 21:22:14 EDT 2004
  
  Friends,
  Thanks to all your help, we have accomplished what we set out to do! yes, to have Tis recorded as promised in Hungary! Now, is the biggest task.... to have the next phase completed in chennai. We need your help. pl. visit http://www.tis-usa.com for further details and make it happen.
  Together, we can do it!
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Wed Jul 14 21:22:21 EDT 2004
  
  Friends,
  Thanks to all your help, we have accomplished what we set out to do! yes, to have Tis recorded as promised in Hungary! Now, is the biggest task.... to have the next phase completed in chennai. We need your help. pl. visit http://www.tis-usa.com for further details and make it happen.
  Together, we can do it!
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: curious (@ 192.76.82.89) on: Tue Jul 20 03:11:11 EDT 2004
  
  any updates?
  
  
• From: ace (@ 218.212.8.184) on: Tue Jul 20 10:33:16 EDT 2004
  
  yes any updates?
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.99) on: Wed Jul 21 12:10:13 EDT 2004
  
  SSSA,
  
  I'm thinking of making a second contribution to the cause. I visited the Sulekha site. Are the donations there in US $?
  
  I'm in Canada. So I was just wondering.
  
  Thanks in advance
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Wed Jul 21 12:27:07 EDT 2004
  
  Thanks. It is in US$ with Sulekha.com. But, with your CC I think you can make a donation from Canada.
  BTW, pl. visit http://www.tis-usa.com for current updates.
  Thanks again.
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: iamasrilankan (@ 24.30.85.96) on: Wed Jul 21 22:50:44 EDT 2004
  
  PLease explain what is Thiruvasagam? also expalin about Ilayaraja Because I am from Canada raised from srilanka I heared that Ilayaraja is a Dalit(paraiyan). Why I am asking this I married a girl whose father is Iyengar(MFC in India), I dont know my caste.
  
  
• From: Teja (@ 209.204.185.174) on: Wed Jul 21 23:44:26 EDT 2004
  
  iamasrilankan ,
  
  You have come to a wrong board.
  This is not the place to discuss castes.
  
  on Thiruvasagam, go to http://www.tis-usa.com
  on Ilayaraja, google it, you will get tons of links.
  
  
• From: sathi (@ 216.127.82.97) on: Thu Jul 22 00:44:07 EDT 2004
  
  iamasrilankan,
  
  u don't know what caste you are? may be its a dog caste...
  
  
• From: SSSSAV (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Thu Jul 22 10:33:18 EDT 2004
  
  I feel that after the extremely gentlemanly reply to 'iamsrilankan' by Mr.Teja, the matter need not be pursued any more. Thanks.
  YIA!!
  
  
• From: Anju (@ 61.95.238.11) on: Tue Jul 27 11:58:10 EDT 2004
  
  Oh my Lord!
  
  Hope truth prevails in this project.
  
  'Sivan soththu kula naasam'. The funding from siva devotees and mutts warrant a perfect truthful accounting & handling, devoid of bias and favouritism.
  
  Time will tell the answer.
  Are'nt there enough talents who worked with IR as competent as the Hungarians? Will the Hungarian performers appreciate the Thiruvasagam value as TN musicians? Is it absolutely essential to pipe out Indian Saivite money to Hungary, rather than remunerating his own Indian musicians who worked for him for more than 700 films all these days? Can anybody (including saivites and mutts sponsors) clear the fact, whether the funding is for Tiruvasagam alone or inclusive of the previous symphony balance payments?
  Shiva! Shiva!
  
  
• From: A mutt donor (@ 198.73.152.99) on: Tue Jul 27 12:35:02 EDT 2004
  
  here we go around the mullberry bush.....
  
  these folks are incorrigible
  
  March on soldiers we shall get this done despite all!
  
  Allaho Akbar! God is great!!
  
  
• From: kicha (@ 68.77.23.145) on: Tue Jul 27 12:45:13 EDT 2004
  
  iir can be like music' missionary. indian film songs is also interesting, film musicians in india can create very inteersting ideas they can make symphonies also. no big deal. rahman, iir have the courage to go out take risk. fame or money not essential at all however helping other socieities to understand india' benign approach to things is very key. fame is boring and iritating. it is also could be iir may do a bad job in thrivusagam just to avoid all the hype like rahman did in birmighnam - indians cannot handle fame and delusions of success. in the philosophy, maya is the key. everything maya adichifies in the end. so why we cheat in delusions from the illusions. whether iir's thiruvasagam is great or not, i am now enjoyin a dhum maro dhaum adichifying duet - it is not possible to compose like this song - kadhal magaraani in andha oru nimidam movie. i can go without food for days, but i can't go without hearing an iir film song, not joking at all. that is not maya, symphony or no symphy i don't care man
  
  
• From: curious (@ 192.76.82.90) on: Wed Jul 28 14:39:07 EDT 2004
  
  any updates???
  
  
• From: Paramartha Guru (@ 198.73.152.99) on: Wed Jul 28 15:07:56 EDT 2004
  
  Yes there is.
  
  Go to
  
  http://www.tis-usa.com/2004/06/latest-updates.html
  
  
• From: RSS Supporter (@ 204.254.175.249) on: Wed Jul 28 15:14:51 EDT 2004
  
  Guys,
  I dont understand one thing - why should a christian priest be involved in this activity ? What does he stand to gain ?? Shouldnt IR approach organizations like RSS who would've given some money, instead of going to a christian priest ? Why should we allow them to participate in this activity ??!!
  
  
• From: Vedhanai (@ 144.42.9.106) on: Wed Jul 28 15:48:41 EDT 2004
  
  poachudaa..! Aarambichittaaangapaa..!
  
  
• From: Pope Supporter (@ 198.73.152.99) on: Wed Jul 28 16:15:03 EDT 2004
  
  Dear RSS Supporter,
  
  The Rev. Dr. S. J. Emmanuel mentioned in the latest update on the site is also a Catholic Priest from Eelam.
  
  I guess some of these preists understand the universality of god better than some RSS folks.
  
  But that shouldn't stop the RSS fans like yourself from supporting this venture.
  
  Just a humble opinion of another Catholic 'mutt donor'
  
  
• From: YYY (@ 209.209.248.9) on: Wed Jul 28 16:23:06 EDT 2004
  
  RSS Supporter
  
  What is your problem. Let me ask you one question
  
  You asked
  
  Why should we allow them to participate in this activity ?
  
  did you participate and how much efforts did you put into this and how much money you donated.
  
  why do you what to bring religion into this. if you are not participating in this then keep you ____ and ______ shut.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Wed Jul 28 16:23:44 EDT 2004
  
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  Are'nt there enough talents who worked with IR as competent as the Hungarians? ......who worked for him for more than 700 films all these days?
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  
  As per IR's statement it is recitation of thiruvaasagam with background music in symphony form. So only the orchestration is by hungarian symphony orchestra. It means that Indian are going to do the recitation part (you can even see the statement that reinforces this in the latest update link given above). So its not that choosing foreign chorus/harmony singers to recite thiruvaasagam verse by omitting those talents of India and those who have worked with him for decades.
  
  Now, I think there is no full-fledged symphony orchestra in India. Perhaps this hungarian orchestra gives a best deal (in terms of money) for the quality that is needed (demanded by IR) amongst the overseas symphony orchestra. So this necessiates the need to pump out money to outside India.
  
  Now the question -- "why symphony?"
  
  IR has answered it that he wants to promote the treasure of our heritage not only to our coming generations but also to the western world. So he felt that by choosing one of their idioms, in which he is also conversant with and passionate about, he can show this treasure of saivism to those westerners too.
  
  >>>>>>>
  Can anybody (including saivites and mutts sponsors) clear the fact, whether the funding is for Tiruvasagam alone or inclusive of the previous symphony balance payments?
  >>>>>>>
  
  Well, I can do only a GUESS. That is, I do not expect any pending payment from IR side to the hungarian orchestra or any other associates. How? To my knowledge, IR's symphonic effort was only three times before TiS. The first being the RPO symphony wherein as per one interview of IR he was commissioned to compose a symphony by Sony(i think). So there would not be any pending payment from IR's side, in this case. The second attempt was for Hey Ram and the third was Lajja. In both cases IR was not the producer who had to pay for the orchestra it was the movie producers themselves. So to the best of my knowledge and opinion we do not have to imagine about any previous balance from IR's side to these.
  
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  I dont understand one thing - why should a christian priest be involved in this activity ? What does he stand to gain ??
  >>>>>>>>>>>
  
  First of all Why should not?
  Let me not go into the goodie-goodie "aemmadhamum sammadham" and secularism et al.
  Fr. Jagath has mentioned in an interview that his father was a stauch shaivaite and was passionate about thaevaaram thiruvaasagam etc and hence he as a child had known/learnt these verse. Hence, on the face of it, there is no total disconnection between Fr. Jagath and thiruvaasagam.
  
  Next let us assume that Fr. Jagath would be eyeing on the money that remains after this TiS project. OK. For what will he use it? OK Conversion activities, fine. Don't you think this is a long winding route for him to get funding for his conversion project? Can't he get it from somewhere else which is better and easier? So I could not find any rationale behind Fr.Jagath's move for TiS with such Hidden agenda. It too might be a pure 'Passion of the TiS'(for the christ sake its Thiruvaasagam this time :) ).
  
  On what official status I am answering these questions?
  
  Nothing. I am just giving my ideas, just like the questions that were posted.
  
  
  How much is my participation and contribution to TiS?
  
  NIL/Nothing.
  
  I just believe what IR is doing is a noble project and I believe that IR would do it successfully and is doing it without business or hidden motives.
  
  So it is upto you all to take your own decisions.
  
  
• From: RSS Supporter (@ 204.254.175.249) on: Thu Jul 29 07:38:35 EDT 2004
  
  Kupps,
  If Fr.Jegath's father was a staunch shaivaite, why is Fr.Jegath a christian ? The best way he can honour his father and religion is to be a staunch shaivaite. This itself shows the flimsy nature of his commitment and belief. Well, is he trying to get the best of both worlds ?
  I can understand Pope supporter's view, since he himself happens to be a christian. But people like YYY and others, why are you guys not concerned about your religion ? The irony of this is, this entire symphony is based on Shiva, and you are not concerned about our fellow hindu brethren supporting this issue..
  This initiative should have been given to one of the so many hindu organizations instead of depending on pseudo secular idealists and christians.
  
  

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