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If Maniratnam works with Ilaiya Raaja again , will he be at gain or loss ???

Topic started by Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on Wed Jan 23 02:06:46 EST 2002.
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FOLKS....
While Manis and IRs combination churned out much quality that captured the peoples heart , Manis and ARs combination won them lots of success , money and fame all over,which Mani got used to now.Do you think he shall be at loss or gain if he works with IR again ??

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• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Jan 25 08:40:42 EST 2002
  
  >>>I SAY ,I AM SURE
  PEOPLE WILL MAKE MR AND IR COMBINATION A BIG HIT AGAIN ....<<<
  
  I agree...PEOPLE will "make" it a hit, where
  PEOPLE=HCIRFans.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 193.114.79.185) on: Fri Jan 25 09:02:21 EST 2002
  
  Hi Pras,
  
  I am really disappointed with you. It looks to me that you have no idea about the real world and you keep missing the point(past is history). It was only the MR's films were flops but not the songs as agreed by the majority of the participants in this forum. If your statement holds true why do you think MR is asking AR to produce the songs for his films again and again. Ok leave MR and talk about record companies, why would they pay in millions to acquire the copyright to distribute it worldwide if they can't recover it from the sales. The fact is that IR's best selling albums are sold far less copies than AR's worst selling albums.
  
  Some will never accept the facts so be like that in the dark room and keep dreaming!!!
  
  Good Luck.
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Fri Jan 25 09:48:37 EST 2002
  
  HI ST,
  "It was only the MR's films were flops but not the songs as agreed by the majority of the participants in this forum"
  where have you seen the majority of the participants in this forum agreeing with you ?
  The best example is Iruvar ... super songs, bad direction and storyline huh ?
  
  "If your statement holds true why do you think MR is asking AR to produce the songs for his films again and again"
  Do you just know why he doesn't want to work with IR ? Let me tell you that it is not because IR is not good ! The fact is that ARR is better than the other young music directors, that's why he work with him ... but don't forget that he had agreed to let Karthik Raaja compose for dum3 ... let's wait and see ...
  
  
  "The fact is that IR's best selling albums are sold far less copies than AR's worst selling albums"
  Super joke maa
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Fri Jan 25 09:49:23 EST 2002
  
  ST,
  "Good Luck" -- don't worry, unga aasirvatham thevailla anno ....
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.140.213) on: Fri Jan 25 09:56:09 EST 2002
  
  People USE logic.
  
  If Mani-IR combo is so good as some of you HCIRF claim, why is it not happening?
  
  Stop living in the past!
  
  First let IR do better than Deva, before comapring him with ARR.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Jan 25 09:56:25 EST 2002
  
  >>>... but don't forget that he had agreed to let Karthik Raaja compose for dum3 ... let's wait and see ...<<<<
  Well said Pras...I agree with u totally.
  Let's keep waiting and hoping and keep our fingers crossed...if not Karthik Raaja, we have YSR, if not, that Bhava, or I'm sure there must be grandchildren too....how about one of them? There's still hope....
  
  
• From: MUSICIAN (@ 213.17.49.171) on: Fri Jan 25 10:29:27 EST 2002
  
  after thalapathy, in which IR did an excellent job both in songs and rerecording,MR went the ad composer ARR,which itself speaks volumes of MR's understanding of raaja's work.HE IS ALREADY AT A LOSS WITHOUT IR.
  
  
• From: RD (@ 12.234.170.75) on: Fri Jan 25 11:15:25 EST 2002
  
  I said it before I will say it again. Like it or not MR's biggest success was Roja so much so that a dubbed southie movie became a major hit in the north. It set the trend that MR tried releasing bilingual after that. Who do you think is mainly responsible for this-ARR. MR is to GAIN if he sticks to ARR.
  
  
• From: mani (@ 203.125.252.239) on: Fri Jan 25 12:16:04 EST 2002
  
  RD:
  Only ROJA was a major hit in North...what was the state of the BILINGUALs ? can you say they were hit too....???
  
  
• From: Raveendran (@ 203.196.144.134) on: Mon Jan 28 00:45:37 EST 2002
  
  Well Friends,
  
  Be it IR or ARR , it is the Mani Ratnam factor which makes the film a super sucess. But, I guess, Mani Ratnam can work with ARR itself, as their combination is well known in the South as well the North.
  What do u say Friends.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.13) on: Mon Jan 28 13:51:12 EST 2002
  
  In the last 3 years.
  
  1)can anyone gimme a list of movies, which had music composed by IR, that became a super hit.
  
  2) the movie which generated lot of talk and publicity etc.. and rocked the tamil world..
  
  something to the likes of anjali. thalapathi etc...
  
  first produce such a list and then we can talk if mani is the person who is desparetly seeking for gain or IR is that person.
  
  what is not accepted?
  
  explanations like IR is a saint ..sadhu who doesnt go for commercial success.. has proved and acheived enough... all these are boring.. he is in the music buisness so if you want to talk about him talk in numbers...
  
  and dont list out ARR's movies details.. his name is not in the topic or in my question
  
  
• From: ML (@ 205.188.198.54) on: Mon Jan 28 14:57:15 EST 2002
  
  //the movie which generated lot of talk and publicity etc.. and rocked the tamil world.. //
  did ANY OF arr'S Movie been doing that in tamil for the past 2-3 years-where his contribution in terms of songs being hit?(except the one by MR and one by shankar-even mudhalvan was so so..)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Jan 28 15:14:46 EST 2002
  
  ML,
  
  i hope you were kiddin with ur posting because you have blatantly overlooked the anticipatory last line
  
  //"and dont list out ARR's movies details.. his name is not in the topic or in my question"//
  
  
• From: ML (@ 64.12.107.157) on: Mon Jan 28 17:49:33 EST 2002
  
  Bharath, that was not a wrong query-I was serious.for that matter, have there been pathbreaking movies in tamilin past 3 years?
  maybe sethu satisfies all your criteria!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Jan 28 18:55:57 EST 2002
  
  if you look at collections and other "hit" factors..
  
  mudhalvan, alaipayuthey, minnale, sethu were big hits... in that order...
  
  they were probably the only saviours on an otherwise inspid 3 years...
  
  my point is IR was not excluded from the pre/post audio release hype .. some years before...every release of his was talked and debated about in length...
  
  kathalukku mariyathai, bharathi, avatharam were all glimpses of the great past.. but thats not to be seen now...
  
  if "hit" or "gain" is a motive maybe he needs to rethink his direction!
  
  
• From: pAmaran (@ 207.188.29.248) on: Mon Jan 28 19:11:25 EST 2002
  
  alaipayuthey!!! is it for real?
  i hope 'chennai' is not the 'only' collection centre :)
  
  
• From: pAmaran (@ 207.188.29.248) on: Mon Jan 28 19:27:40 EST 2002
  
  /* if you look at collections and other "hit" factors..*/
  
  if collections was a criteria puratchi kalaignar's "Vanathai Pola" was a bigger hit than those mentioned in the list "mudhalvan, alaipayuthey, minnale, sethu were big hits... in that order" :)))
  
  even the malayalam remake Friends & Kamal's Thenali were hits collectionwise.
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Mon Jan 28 21:53:15 EST 2002
  
  Maniratnam is just looking for money and fame now !!HE IS TOO SELFISH coz he knows very well that people are missing his combination with IR !! He even knows that IRs music will suite his movies more than AR's...he even has is ready to sacrificethe class BGM of IR, for money or fame in north !!....But one thing he should realize...HE IS NOT HAVING ANY SHARE OF 'FAME' FROM AR...IN THEIR COMBINATION
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Mon Jan 28 23:22:25 EST 2002
  
  Bharath, shows how much of an NRI-view you have of affairs in TFworld:)
  
  Fact is, barring Mudhalvan and Sethu, none of your listed films were great hits (not Alaipayuthey for sure! And that too second in order, c'mon ) outside of Chennai & metros (and foreign shores?)
  
  If one movie that came completely unheralded (released as morning shows) and went on to stir and shake up the Tamil film world, both in terms of collections as well as critical acclaim, it was SETHU! And it catapulted Vikram and Bala to superstardom!
  
  Films that did well through the state were - Mudhalvan, Sethu, Vanathai Pola, Aanandham, Vallarasu, Sonnal thaan Kaadhala, Friends, Dheena, Priyamanavale, Dhil, Vetri kodi kattu, Dumm Dumm Dumm, Thenali, Minnale
  
  Critical merit? Can any MD lay claim to a better repertoire than Kutti, Bharathi, Sethu, Azhagi in the recent past?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Jan 28 23:41:47 EST 2002
  
  I think that's too tall a claim Suresh !
  Maybe HJ's Minnale made a superstar of him....Sethu was bcos of the story..not bcos of the music..like Kaadhalakku Mariyadhai.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Mon Jan 28 23:43:32 EST 2002
  
  I mean like Kaadhalakku Mariyadhai had a great hit song and story...Sethu had a great story and good music - not great when compared to the former.
  
  
• From: vimal (@ 63.226.17.141) on: Tue Jan 29 00:16:41 EST 2002
  
  Guys,
  I am wathing Agni Nakshathiram as I am typing. Mani should definitely miss IR's music.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Tue Jan 29 08:03:53 EST 2002
  
  Cosmician, did i ever attribute Sethu's success to IR's music? And i was only pointing out that the movie made superstars out of Bala and Vikram! You are right in saying that Minnale made a star out of HJ; to a lesser extent, Bharani (Paarvai Ondru Podhume)and Mani Sharma (Shahjahan) also made their mark.
  
  In the list of films I quoted, you will see the range of MDs from SAR to TR featuring; not all of them were musical hits anyway.. I also ended by saying that whether the music/film was a hit or not, IR has worked with more films that have been the most appreciated by the media/critics. You will see that most, if not all, of these films were made by small banners and by debutant/non-star directors. Do you have a dispute with that?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 205.188.199.37) on: Tue Jan 29 10:23:04 EST 2002
  
  I have heard that IR was categorical that sethu was going to be a big hit as soon as he had seen the rushes-this was mentioned by bala in one of the interviews.tamilcinema .com used to give ratings AB or C-ALL the movies in A category-sedhu, barathi, karuvelampookal, kutti-i expect azhaghi to be a A category movie-music was by IR.
  Only movie not scored by iR was panadavar boomi.
  so next inevtable we are going to hear are -they were not commercial successes!well, the loss is ours dont you think if we are not willing to make quality movies big hits?these film makers have been just producing junks and blame it on us.look at kerala-if the movis is rubbish, it goes out of the theatres in 3 days.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 66.137.226.93) on: Tue Jan 29 11:05:18 EST 2002
  
  suresh and pamaran,
  
  again stereo typing me as an NRI ( which i dont beleive i am 1) is not going to work...
  
  i know enugh to understand the mechanics of how thisngs work..
  
  AP was a big hit in all cities Madras, trichy, Coimbatore, Salem, Madurai & Nellai incl
  
  and by commercial factors i mean a flop in thanjavur is not a bif thing its inexpensive...
  
  the distribution rights for manirathnam in Madras & surrunding(bglore incl) wud be worth more than all Vijay kanths areas(incl his great madurai)
  
  No one wil spend so much and make a movie if they are known to give "city only" hits...
  
  thats something u have to understand... shankar kamal and mani's movie have more distribution value than one one else (rajini is an exception)
  
  they r 3-4 rungs above the next person...
  
  so please dont devalue "city only" hits they r much more of a commercial success contributors than other places...
  
  buy tickets in tutucorin for a 1st day Mani show.. it will be 12.50 Rs.. buy the same in satyam/woodlands it will be 40 Rs. thats the diff.
  
  among all this mani has Banglore as a big back up! his and few others are the only tami movies that run in bglore...
  
  thavasi, friends was a hit in rural areas not incities...
  
  

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