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Ever since ARR entered into the cine field; 2 bad things have happenned

Topic started by naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on Mon Mar 18 15:22:53 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Even since ARR entered into the cine field in 1992 (Was Roja released in 1991 or 92?), 2 worse things have happenned:

1.He was the one who introduced the use of drum machine (samplers) just to be different from IR and other MDs at that time. He wanted to be different to stay in the field and so created songs with a heave influence of western instruments. Being a 'sound engineer' he managed to be successful and now everybody is following him and calling it the 'trend'. He replaced the 'beauty of orchestration' with this new tread.. No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that. Our youngsters fell for it bcos it was different for them. All of us know that majority of young boys and girls listen to western music just for the rythm and for the quality of sound. They can't even understand the meaning of song and of course they don't need to... infact most of the engilsh songs have no lyrical value... That's exactly what ARR wanted to do... why listen to english beats when I can reproduce the same in tamil movies ???! Right...and that's what he did.. very clever and for this he didn't need to have carnatic music knowledge.. He started violating all the ragas, mixing and matching.. did everything.. (ennavae adi ennavale - a good example of killing 'kedharam' -- funny thing is that unni krishnan got national award for that song)...

It's 10 years now and ARR is still in the industry..charging crores of rupees for each movie, made 100 times the money that IR, MSV have made in their career with genuine music...

Where are we going with this 'tread'...... all songs sound the same...Any song can fit into any movie and for any situation...

2. And the second worst thing that has happened is 'tamizh kolai'. After ARR, now anybody can sing.. no need to know the language. Just sing and ARR will adjust it while recording.. what a shame to 'tamizh mozhi'. ARR is the one who started it. Can anyone deny that? Before that singers had some respect. Just listen to SPB, N.Vasudevan, TMS for their 'tamizh ucharippu'. No wonder why MSV and IR kept on giving using them..

Well I do appreaciate that ARR introduced a lot of new singers but how many can speak 'tamizh'. Can ARR justify what he has done to TFM ?

MSV, KVM and IR composed music for the song. ARR composes song for the music and that's the difference. And that's why we can't listen to any new songs after few months... one bad song will replace another bad song..

If this trend goes for another few more years... 'tamizh mozhi' will find a place in the history...

These are some of the 'tamil kolai seidha padalgal'...

chikku bukky raile.. (ARR)
andha arabi kadaloram (ARR)
poovukku porandha nalu (praveen mani) -- only God can help
all songs in parthale paravasam (ARR)

and a lot more... I don't remember them all..
Can anyone add such songs here??

please note that I do like ARR for many good reasons but I cannot forgive him for the above two bad things he did, knowingly or unknowingly to the TFM...

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• From: avr (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Fri Mar 29 10:23:58 EST 2002
  
  rotfl:
  
  oh no no no, i didnt mean it that way.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.186) on: Fri Mar 29 10:31:03 EST 2002
  
  avr
  It would help if you say "which way you didn't mean."
  Naaaah, I am kidding. :)
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Fri Mar 29 10:34:37 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL:
  
  I guess I had made myself clear enough...but since u havent got it, I must help you.:-)
  Your posts ***really*** were eye-openers. They Thanks very much for that.
  
  I can't be any clearer than that now :-) The final interpretation of my posts - whether they were in the positive or negative sense - now rests in your hands :-)
  
  NOM whatsoever.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.186) on: Fri Mar 29 10:42:53 EST 2002
  
  I know, I know. :)
  BTW, where are you posting from? I ask this before some smart alec screams ROTFL and AVR are the same person just because both our IP addresses begin with 203! (and I don't mean you, RajaG saar! :))
  I am from Penang, Malaysia.
  
  
• From: Avr (@ 203.197.80.148) on: Fri Mar 29 11:00:34 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL:
  
  I am posting from a city called Pune in a country called India. :-) AVR are my initials.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.186) on: Fri Mar 29 11:11:40 EST 2002
  
  Thank God for that! :)
  Pune kannai moodikittaa ulagam .... appadinu solluvaangale?!
  
  Adikka varaatheenga. :)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Mar 29 12:09:55 EST 2002
  
  ROFTL - Avanukku mozhipeyarthu sollannum. Andha Poonaikku Tamizh Theriyadhu - Ana, Tamizh Rusi Konda Poonaiyaakkum! :-)
  
  BTW: Any idea who the imposter was in the other thread - the one who stole your oh-so-unique identity?
  
  
• From: vaal_payyan (@ 169.144.118.138) on: Fri Mar 29 12:57:26 EST 2002
  
  
  rajaG,
  whats the difference between using sound modules and recording from different musicians one by one and editing them later? IMO he is just recording from musicians and adding their sounds to his own sound module library. this technique not only violates the whole idea of orchestration. in the process is he is modifying the sounds peculiar to indian music instruments.
  to my knowledge there is only one kind of tabla/mirundhangam in the whole world. why does it sound different in ARR's songs than in IR's or Deva's compositions?
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.39) on: Fri Mar 29 13:02:41 EST 2002
  
  adhuthaan ARR ;)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.150.174.248) on: Fri Mar 29 13:13:11 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL
  
  Pune ...Punai was the pun intended?Illa Kuruttu poonai iruttula correcta thaviducha?
  
  AVR
  
  Pune based non-tamilian into TFM forum.I have followed your postings.I wish we had met at Pune once.I was there till early 99.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Mar 29 15:14:53 EST 2002
  
  vaal_payyan:
  
  the mrudangam or tabla sounds in ARR's songs (example minsaarap poovE, maargazhi thingaL, nee sirichchaa deevaanaa) are all original 100% acoustic instruments recorded using excellent state of the art equipment (and played by expert name brand specialists). IR also used acoustic percussion instruments but he compromised on recording (plus you are probably listening to many of his old songs before the advent of digital recording) and then released them on the "infamous" pink cassettes of ECHO :-) Having heard that over a long period of time, you have probably forgotten what a pure acoustic mrudangam/tabla sounds like :-)
  
  Anyway, of all the areas, sound/instrumentation output and quality, is the last one anybody can choose to crib about ARR.
  
  
  
• From: vaal_payyan (@ 169.144.118.138) on: Fri Mar 29 17:06:51 EST 2002
  
  rajaG,
  i'm not sure if u dont really get my point or just pretend u dont. and i dont understand how ARR got hold of those "state-of-the-art" instruments in 1992 that other MD's havent got till now. what i'm trying to say is he is engineering (or whatever u wanna call it) the sound so much that it cant be reproduced in a live concert with real music instruments. and i was wondering if it bothered anybody here in this forum. guess it doesnt :-)
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.90.83.84) on: Fri Mar 29 23:03:40 EST 2002
  
  NAAZ;
  
  >>>ROFTL - Avanukku mozhipeyarthu sollannum. Andha Poonaikku Tamizh Theriyadhu - Ana, Tamizh Rusi Konda Poonaiyaakkum! :-) <<<
  
  I know "Thamizh theriyaadhu" means "doesnt know Tamil". Yeah, yeah and you probably mean to ask why I am expressing opinions about Tamil music. FYI I am NOT. I just wanted your elaboration on what you meant by ARR not paying enuf attention to "voice" - coz that should be applicable even to his Hindi songs then.
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 203.90.83.84) on: Fri Mar 29 23:24:18 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL:
  
  I dont know how you assumed that I am actually posting from Pune. I mean I am generally living there, but how do you know I am not posting from say Penang??? :-))) Just curious!!
  
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.198) on: Sat Mar 30 04:35:25 EST 2002
  
  the ip id neednt be similar for close by areas..
  check mine out..
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.198) on: Sat Mar 30 04:36:35 EST 2002
  
  dum dum dum dum,,
  yaarukelam intha maathiri ip id irrukko, post pannunga pa!!
  
  Jus kiddin!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.123) on: Sat Mar 30 08:54:13 EST 2002
  
  avr
  Sorry about my Tamil posting. Just like the typical Indian in India who assumes every Indian knows Hindi, the typical Malaysian Indian assumes every Indian knows Tamil. :)
  
  Here is what I said: Pune kannai moodikittaa ulagam .... appadinu solluvaangale?!
  Adikka varaatheenga. :)
  
  Are you trying to say that if the cat (poonai / punei /Pune) closes its eyes it thinks the worlds has darkened (Tamil proverb)?
  Do not wallop me! :)
  
  Naaz said Avanukku mozhipeyarthu sollannum. Andha Poonaikku Tamizh Theriyadhu - Ana, Tamizh Rusi Konda Poonaiyaakkum! :-)
  
  You need to translate. He does not know Tamil. But he is a cat who has (Tamil) tasted (another Tamil proverb).
  
  Beyond that, there was no insunation against you, my friend. :)
  
  As for being in Penang, you can't be! If you were an Indian posting from Penang, you would know Tamil. :)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.123) on: Sat Mar 30 09:09:41 EST 2002
  
  Naaz
  BTW: Any idea who the imposter was in the other thread - the one who stole your oh-so-unique identity?
  
  If the intention was "stealing" I will give it away gladly.
  Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn! :)
  (For those with perverted minds, that is a quote from Gone With The Wind and I do not have any special relationship with Naaz. :))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Mar 30 10:15:53 EST 2002
  
  Scarlett, that is such a relief! I am happy with my singleton status! :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Mar 30 10:21:10 EST 2002
  
  AVR - I meant no offence (as ROFTL's translation confirms.) It was just a moment of "tamizh ghapchap".
  In fact, I asserted your avid interest in tamizh and how your committment to the TFM (given that you are a Maratha from Pune) is inspiring and heartwarming. I wish I could say the same about the masses in TN - who have given up appreciating their own mother-tongue (or appreciate it for all the wrong reasons!) :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Mar 30 10:22:56 EST 2002
  
  I guess it should be Rhett (not Scarlett). But hey, what GWTW without the belle from the deep South ? :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Mar 30 10:27:18 EST 2002
  
  AVR - my point regarding "voice" and "sensibility" (in an ethnic/ethos vein - substantiated by the AY example) with ARR's tamizh compositions was this: ARR is an fine and accomplished MD. I only suggested that he insist on a "rootedness" in the singing/singers he chooses for his TFM. Not an extraordinary demand, I am sure. :-)
  
  

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