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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: raj (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sat Jun 7 10:25:05 EDT 2003
  
  realy great man... no one could've noted that. And im sure when doing baba arr also hoping that no one will find it..but unfortunately our doubter atha kandu pudichu ARR nathum ARR fans nathum Vaitherichala sambathichutan..
  
  
• From: raj (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sat Jun 7 10:25:26 EDT 2003
  
  realy great man... no one could've noted that. And im sure when doing baba arr also hoping that no one will find it..but unfortunately our doubter atha kandu pudichu ARR nathum ARR fans nathum Vaitherichala sambathichutan..
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Sat Jun 7 12:15:15 EDT 2003
  
  Anybody remembers the song 'Que sera sera' by Doris Day in a Hitchcock movie? It was copied in a Tamil movie of the early fifties(?). I think the starting line is 'Chinna pennaana podhile..' The equivalent of 'que sera sera' was 'vennilaa nilaa'. Please let me know where I can find that song. Thanks
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.31) on: Sun Jun 8 22:59:26 EDT 2003
  
  That day..i was watching Ripley's Believe it or Not..
  
  they we showing about a babaji..in india...who does his thavam..by burying his head beneath teh sand for 12 hours....and i was surprised..the background music was exactly the same as "Koduva Misai, Aruva Parvai"..from DHool?
  
  who copied who?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Sun Jun 8 23:24:52 EDT 2003
  
  That BABA rap is indeed a surprise :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 203.199.209.101) on: Mon Jun 9 01:18:32 EDT 2003
  
  Paran,
  
  that koduvaa meesa song is a typical run of the mill bangra type song churned out by Vidhya saagar(VS) ever since he got into TFM. Since bangra is a genre one can expect such a type of music from different places(AXN, ESPN, BBC, etc), especially nowadays, since bangra is being projected/seens as india's "native raap" to/by the aliens.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.31) on: Mon Jun 9 02:24:45 EDT 2003
  
  Another thing...
  
  i just wonder how a MD, with the tunes he have on his mind, makes user that it is not inspired/lifted from any other compositons.
  
  I mean, say an MD heard a song some 20/30 years ago...but when he composes his own song, he might have forgot the actual song....so how do they avoid this....
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Mon Jun 9 03:00:02 EDT 2003
  
  Paran, you are right. Refer to the interview here for VS's explanation
  http://www.kumudam.com/kumudam/09-06-03/pg29.html
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.31) on: Mon Jun 9 03:37:37 EDT 2003
  
  Vijay,
  can u translate that please.....please...please...
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.31) on: Mon Jun 9 08:16:14 EDT 2003
  
  I was watching 'austin powers gold member' last wknd and there was a song 'daddy ...'. This sounded very much similar to 'baba kichu kichu thaa' from Baba.
  Did anyone else observe this similarity?
  
  
• From: puvanes (@ 161.142.100.87) on: Tue Jun 10 08:06:37 EDT 2003
  
  kulukki vaccha coco cola pola is copied from kumukku kumma koiya pazham pola(vananggamudi).
  the portion podiyan sokkuran in kokkarakiri kutthalathile malaigiri giri copied from pulli vakkiran (utthamaputhiran)
  
  
• From: pg (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Tue Jun 10 13:52:48 EDT 2003
  
  Is the song stranded on the streets (nala damayanti) lifted from any western song ?
  
  Kamal's singing is wonderful !
  
  
• From: P.K. RAMESH (@ 219.65.112.39) on: Wed Jun 11 04:05:33 EDT 2003
  
  Good work. Kindly get the next list (i.e) Tamil songs which have been lifted.Iiayaraja seems to be a great fan of R.D.Burman. Quite a few songs were bits and pieces have been lifted by him. Even RD's famous Dum Aur Dum has found a place in Ilayarajas "En Purushandan Enakku Mattundhan" starring Suhasini (Gopurangal Saivadhillai) M.S.V's popular ones like "Pudhiya Paravai " has a lot of Elvis tunes more later.
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 61.11.72.161) on: Wed Jun 11 04:16:40 EDT 2003
  
  Good work buddy !! Iam sure you must have putted lot of work to collect this info.I appreciate ..Keep going !!!
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed Jun 11 04:42:15 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik S on rediff
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  http://www.rediff.com/netguide/2003/jun/11music.htm
  
  Inspired Tunes
  
  Vidya Srinivasa Rao | June 11, 2003 12:04 IST
  
  
  Karthik Srinivasan uses his Web site to track plagiarism in the Hindi
  music industry
  
  It is simple really. Whether you write an article or compose a song,
  it belongs to you. And that means nobody can use your work without
  permission or claim it as their own. But, it never works that way,
  does it?
  
  Recent cases include the Jason Blair incident and closer home, the
  best selling author Barbara Taylor Bradford claiming that TV serial,
  Karishma: The miracles of Destiny was lifted from her novel, A Woman
  of Substance.
  
  Plagiarism has been rampant in India and everywhere else, especially
  in the world of music. How many times have you listened to a new song
  and think that it sounds vaguely familiar? Inspired Indian Film Songs
  is one such effort to bring to light cases of plagiarism. The effort
  of Karthik Srinivasan, a music enthusiast from Bangalore, the site
  archives instances of melody plagiarism by composers of the past and
  present.
  
  Karthik began as a music reviewer for the popular
  themusicmagazine.com, run by music lovers, Suchitra Lata and her
  husband SR Ramakrishna. When a friend casually wrote to him about two
  copied songs by Nadeem Shravan for the movie Dhadkan, Karthik got
  hold of the original songs, uploaded them on a free server. "Then I
  started seriously collecting info on plagiarised songs and decided to
  go public with the list," he says.
  
  The site has a separate page dedicated to different composers where
  Karthik writes about the songs that has been copied. Each item
  accompanies a brief write-up about the song and the composer. You can
  also listen to the 30-second clippings of both, the original and the
  inspired/copied song and decide for yourself. "I am sure they don't
  hinder the sales of audio CDs," adds Karthik.
  
  Many popular music composers feature here including SD Burman,
  Laxmikant Pyarelal, Anu Malik and Sandeep Chowta. While some music
  composers shamelessly lift the whole song, some are 'inspired'. An
  admirer of RD Burman, Karthik says of the composer, "The kind of
  localisation he achieved, you almost think he has a brand new song
  with such degrees of nativity that you hate the original! Those are
  the ones I categorise as genuine inspirations; though he has his
  share of direct lifts too!"
  
  Apart from film songs, the site also features a section on
  advertisement jingles that were inspired by old Hindi film songs or
  other sources. The trivia and the coincidences section make an
  interesting read. These section features songs that Karthik feels,
  are similar, but may not be plagiarised.
  
  Music lovers get together to discuss these issues on an active
  discussion forum. The site is a favourite for all music lovers,
  especially fans of RD Burman and AR Rehman and within the film
  industry. An excited Karthik relates that one leading music director
  and a couple of singers have written to him expressing their
  amazement at the kind of lifts featured.
  
  Karthik sources information from members of online music groups, who
  share information with him. One of the group member writes, "He is
  our kind of guy and won't speak without proper proof and
  explanation." Apart from this, he also finds information from
  RMIM/UseNet archives. "Some journalists have also helped me find new
  instances of plagiarism," says Karthik.
  
  Plagiarism is so deep-rooted in the Indian film industry that it's
  hard to find originality. "You always end up asking, 'where could
  have Anu Malik lifted this from?' when the fact could be that he
  could have slogged hard to come up with that tune," says Karthik.
  
  Like Anu Malik himself says in this interview, "Why can't we be
  original?"
  
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 202.140.142.131) on: Wed Jun 11 05:39:37 EDT 2003
  
  Really a good try..
  keep doing..
  expecting the other songs copied from tamil...
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Jun 11 07:30:10 EDT 2003
  
  Congrats S Karthik.
  
  Keep up the good work.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ 192.107.26.131) on: Wed Jun 11 08:12:33 EDT 2003
  
  Gud research ..how much time u spent on these..?
  
  
• From: Siva (@ 164.107.162.246) on: Wed Jun 11 09:25:44 EDT 2003
  
  Hi, What abt plagiarism by one of our latest sensations...Harris Jeyaraj...Do we call it inspiration... I guess he is mighty inspired by A.R.Rehman...I am not sure whether a post already exists on this one...If it exists I apologize. I do hope that his name springs up in the new list about lifts from other Indian songs...
  
  Thanks
  Siva
  
  
• From: Dave (@ 128.227.121.206) on: Wed Jun 11 10:43:24 EDT 2003
  
  Two songs of Ilayaraja ...
  
  One is the superhit "Thooliyile Ada vanda ..." from Chinna Thambi.
  
  The other is the not-so-super hit "Kuyilukkuppom Kuyilukkuppom Gopura Vasalenna ..." in Puthu Nellu Puthu Nathu.
  
  There are so many similarities. The starting tune is ditto. Is this copy? hehehe
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Mon Jun 16 11:05:17 EDT 2003
  
  Ilavenirkala Panjami - (Hariharan) from Manam Virumbathe Unnai by IR seems to have been inspired by ARR's Mustapha mustapha. I don't know if this was noticed by other Dfers. I would like to have verification as to :
  
  1) whether both songs are set to the same tune
  2) same raga
  3) similar music/interludes
  
  
  and finally can we call this a copy?
  
  
  TIA
  
  Jag
  
  
  
  
• From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.240.34) on: Fri Jun 20 07:38:39 EDT 2003
  
  Vidyasagar is very much heavily inspired (not the song , but the preludes and interludes) by A.R.Rahman's "Yaaru Yaarodi unnoda purushan"(alaipayudhae)
  
  The movie I am talking about is
  Meesamadhavan (malayalam)
  
  here is the link:
  the song is
  ...pennae pennae...
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/VV000C1X
  
  interstingly both these songs are song for a marriage occasion!
  
  

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