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We Don't Deserve AR Rahman

Topic started by Ekam Satyam (@ 202.156.2.131) on Fri Nov 30 06:46:09 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Honestly I think India doesn't deserve someone talented and intelligent like AR Rahman. I think compared to his group of fans, there are double the amount of Deva and Raja fans. (Read that again, I'm not saying that there are no ARR Indian appreciators or fans)

Is it because Indians are unable to understand his style of music? Is it because deep inside, ghana and dhampakoothu are what they want?

If tomorrow, ARR decides to give up India music, I will be happy because he gets the recogniztion he deserves overseas and can concentrate on his western projects more. Read Andrew Lloyd Webber and Michael Jackson.

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• From: e..a:-( (@ 210.214.4.47) on: Mon Dec 3 05:10:20 EST 2001
  
  & whynot, if you think satyam girl is very positive & I'm negative, I suggest you re-read both postings a few times, grasp the meaning and then post about who is +ve & who is lamenting -ve!
  
  
• From: chEh (@ 210.214.4.47) on: Mon Dec 3 05:18:55 EST 2001
  
  satyam ammA, I read somewhere that Michael Jackson (who wanted some Int'l marketing push to bring back his sagging fortunes teamed up with the likes of ARR) didn't include the Indian number in the final release...Do you really think ARR has to piggy back on him?
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.199.209.81) on: Mon Dec 3 09:17:31 EST 2001
  
  why people always think less of indian folk songs, especially tamil ones? they appreciate pop, rap and other western things, as if they are superior! they are not aware that they are heavily influenced by african music. is it because, these idiots think, whites are superior race? and they accepted afro music, though africans themselves are considered to be low. may be another exhibition of slave mentality.
  
  try to respect your roots. appreciate our culture. by doing so, you will have some self-respect, which you lack at present.
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: mannaaru (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Mon Dec 3 09:50:45 EST 2001
  
  what, the hell, is wrong with gaana & dappaanguththu, in the first place (assuming that only such songs come from raaja)? They are merely artistic expressions of South indian plebians just like rap and R&B are for American blacks. To call them nonsense, is to suppress the artistic feelings and expressions of the majority of tamilians.
  
  I'm totally comfortable with them and am proud of them. please learn to respect art, whatever form it be.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Dec 3 10:33:11 EST 2001
  
  mahabs and mannaru
  
  both of you have a very valid point here..it's too quick to jump to conclusions of any kind..when you see music as music it should be treated in such a way...i have always amazed by the uniqueness/individuality of different origins and the underlying beauty in it..An array of violins in the hands of south indian gives different kind of sound in a north indian's hand, which gives an entirely different in the hand of a man from some other part of the globe. don't you think it is amazing..the transfer of knowledge through the same instrument in different formats...running back through the history people always opted for something different in everything. i wud not go ahead to say "No, digital music is nothing". But "Yes, now-a-days digital music is everything"..I cud clearly derive out the following from these years....a ready acceptance and immature praisings...then check themshelves what have they done is correct...With digital being overted everywhere, a sense of noisy feeling appearing slowly...the problem is, there was too much hype and importance over the consumption of other kinda music..but this will change....it might trak again in the old path..(which probably people feel is more/equally knowleged)..so just wait..time has the solution..time is the best medicine....
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Dec 3 10:37:17 EST 2001
  
  "dappAnguthu? Actually that is the Indian equivalent of western POP:-) "
  ha ha..I like this :) It is a pleasure to read newtfmpage after a while !!!
  mahabs..nallA thittungA..mannaaru unmaiya sonnaaru !!!
  :)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Mon Dec 3 11:05:18 EST 2001
  
  Wait a minute...this topic is taking a new turn. Who ever said anything low about dapaanguthu or any other folk songs? The topic was going neatly abt ARR, and i think ARR's music includes a fair bit of folk songs too. So this is not about anti-folk songs sentiments, if u find tat an interesting topic, please start a new thread and do all a favour.
  
  Maybe i went a bit too far in condemning Tamils, ellam astyam, u r right. But i still defend ekam satyam tat she had no anti-ir or anti-deva sentiments in starting the thread.
  
  And i don' know why people come up statements like 'piggy back' when an indian does something with an american. Even among americans, it's common for an artist to sing one song in an album wit another singer or pop group. Yet when an Indian does it, it becomes piggy-backing. What's wrong here is this sort of inferior and totally insane mindset. When Indians look down on themselves, what's the point in making a hue and cry about being treated lowly by other races?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Dec 3 12:48:15 EST 2001
  
  When Indians look down on themselves, what's the point in making a hue and cry about being treated lowly by other races?
  
  You are trying to walk on a delicate, sensitive path..Please don't mistake me..the way you put it is very different from what mahabs and mannaru did..i understand a different meaning in theirs from yours......May be your tone has to be more political...
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Dec 3 14:42:27 EST 2001
  
  //"All their spiritual sources are from Asia, including Holy Bible! & do you think ThiruvaLLuvar or Kambar is less inspired than Wordsworth or Shakespere?"//
  
  I am tempted to remember this fav. quote
  
  "No Australian ever wrote paradise lost, but Don Bradman scored a century before lunch "
  
  Yes! true ellam asatyam that all americans borrow their culture from asian and european ancestors... but at least they propoganda shakesphere and wordsworth enugh for all their citizens to respect and like them ...not like our ignorance of kambar and valluvar. where it is now old fashioned to quote valluvar... what a shame?
  
  
  Yes! I do think Americans with all their lack of art and moral scriptures are culturally more developed and more richer than us, inspite of "our rich and varied cultural heritage".
  
  The toal disrehard and contempt for other human life in india and they way the common man is so shabbily treated ... "savvu krackie.. serupaala adippen..nayeee" all words thrown upon the commmon man in every road in madras... such dis respect for other people is never seen in any other part of the world.
  
  
  
• From: Shanmugam (@ 63.101.96.27) on: Mon Dec 3 17:30:48 EST 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  Well said!!!
  
  
• From: ellAm asatyam:-( (@ 210.214.4.81) on: Tue Dec 4 00:05:05 EST 2001
  
  Digression:
  
  Bharath & Shanmugham,
  
  It's quite `old fashioned' to quote the Bible in west too:-) Please try telling a typical american that one has to get legally married to have sex & marriage is for life with adultery the only ground for divorce:-)) Hence I won't accept that they are culturally more developed / richer than Indians or such generalised opinions! While their etiquettes / human value concerns are definitely in place, so is their divorce rate & gross immorality:-( (Living together without marriage, multiple sex partners, incest, homo etc. are not even worth talking. Compare the #of teen pregnancies in US with India even though their population is probably only 1/3 of ours & literacy is so high!) Instead of generalising Chennai as India, for a change, why don't you guys visit Kerala?
  
  However, I agree that the moral values in India are on the decay, one reason is the influence of the west through TV & web:-(
  
  end digression!
  
  
• From: Pradana (@ 195.93.34.171) on: Tue Dec 4 06:23:37 EST 2001
  
  Guys read this interview to see just what ARR is.Not really a great musician!!!!
  
  http://cinemaa.indya.com/ips35/html/cinemaa/south/ammailayaraja.html
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Dec 4 06:38:40 EST 2001
  
  Pradana, I didn't see any interview, only an article about IR by an IR rasigar.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Dec 4 06:41:42 EST 2001
  
  From the article:
  "A music director who takes refuge in his tunes for the background score is shirking and is someone who cannot create a theme."
  ARR started off as an ad 'MD'. If he couldn't create themes, he would never have been noticed for his short music pieces in ad jingles.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Dec 4 11:18:03 EST 2001
  
  ellam asatyam,
  
  if u have to pick on the US its the stereo typical
  "sex outside marriage" thing that u can always hinge upon. most of the things u said.... like living together w/o marriage exists but u pain the picture as if all common men think marriage is old fashioned and majority of the people live like that.
  
  NO i have interacted with a lot of people most of them are extremely decent and live a good married life with wife and kids have good ethical and moral values!
  
  u can quote all tabloids and other paraphenalia abt treenage pregnancy and many other things... and i can quote the same dirt in India also...
  
  saying such things abt the americans is as stereo typical as saying Indians r snake charmers and we travel in elehants with fakirs in the road side sleeping on thron beds...
  
  plz we need some qualification to critisize others and we absolutely have no qualification to critisize america technologically, culturally or any otherway!....
  
  its no use just to be able to read and write and be called literate ...its how u put that education to use is what matters.
  
  and u r talking abt kerla... where anything modern is taboo and in the name of simplicity we see complete lack of hygene and whats the use of all the literace when u pee on the roads and spit and blow ur nose on the streets.
  
  I'm asking u is picking and blowin ur nose such a wonderful sight that u need to do it in public so that every one can see it.
  
  what abt parking vehicles on the end of streets at the turning or in the middle of the raods and chatting.... one just moves ones hips when a vehicle comes by.. boy! a lot of difference that makes...
  
  thats the culturally rich india i see.. i have been saying this since i was a teenager and i see things havent changed much in the last decade!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Dec 4 12:05:21 EST 2001
  
  Bharath,
  There is some truth to what you say. But the picture in the US is not very rosy socially. The divorce rate is 50%. The avg number of sexual partners is 6 (in a lifetime) (compared to 4 in Europe). Not sure how many marriages the 50% of the divorced go through.
  Still I think we Indians have lots of good things to learn from Americans. Things I can think of quickly are social discipline and responsibility, better work ethics/hard working, a relatively more holistic attitude towards learning/education, more sense of individuality and respect for personal space etc...
  
  

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