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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: Balaji (@ 208.59.137.31) on: Sun Mar 25 14:17:03 EST 2001
  
  L Vaid:
  
  >>>>>Also just because Naushad (or even MSV) did not use western music,it does not make him less great than IR
  MSV has infused Western and Eastern wonderfully... If you are a regular TFM listener, you wouldn't have made such a statement. Naushad has given Wonderful classical/light music in Baiju Bhawra', 'Chudvin ka Chaand', 'Mere Mehboob'. (IR considers him one of the best!!!) Unfortunately his only variety was 'Mera Pyaar bhi tu hai..' from Saathi thanks to the wonderful inclusion of the Mridhangam ... The 'FACTUAL PART' is None of the other MDs were as popular as Naushad leave alone as popular as IR.. Though I don't believe greatness comes from the number of films scored, one has to prove to be great by scoring variety!
  
  2.>>> VJ's Hindi diction is totally bad.
  Right, Manadey's, Hemant Kumar, Kumar Sanu's Bengali accent is acceptable.. However VJ's accept is so bad... Double Standard Isn't????
  
  3. Yeh Yeh talk about freshness!!!
  "yaara sili sili'', 'Mein Hoo kush rang henna', 'Darr ', 'DDLJ' all smack of her oldness.. I don't knoe what freshness you see in them? 'Wadha Na thod...' was a song used to be played very often in 80s (lyurics and MD by Rajesh Roshan..).. LM sound so old even then?
  Please don't say awards are mark of one's ability. Even MGR has won best actor and Bharat Ratna awards!!!
  
  4. Whenever people ask for variety in LM, their fans come out with the cabaret number 'Aa jane jaan' -==== Asha and SJ has song so many different songs that they qualify as multi-faceted singers..
  "Phulan ka Thara..' does not sound any different from LM singing for an adult!
  
  5. I am sure you have not heard Light classical songs sung by SM... Listen to 'Kurai ondrum illai, Marai Moorthi khanna..', thats what we call light classical!
  
  MS was wise enough to stop singing after she knew she seems to not fit the play back singing people are looking for! LM never learned that and still continues to SING!
  
  >>> Talking about welcoming talent, Tamilians welcome talent from all states.. Unlike Northies, for whom acting means Dilip Kumar, Singing means LM and can never see anythging more than that.., we tamilians can even bear Sadhana Sargam crooning, my bad!
  
  Yeh yeh, all singers adore her. Even I love her songs of the 50s, 60s and 70s and her Meera Bhajan.. She has grown older and that is obvious in her singing.. Moreover please don't go by what these singers and other artists say.. They have to say that LM is her goddess to avoid any scandal!!
  
  
  Balaji
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 62.253.64.4) on: Sun Mar 25 17:38:37 EST 2001
  
  To the NSCM: compared to whatever that has been said about IR here like 'it is an honour for him to receive LM's award' I have been very dignified in my expressions.
  
  You have an identity problem because I suppose you are a Tamil but living in N.India. No wonder that you are forced to argue for LM. Call me arrogant, I do not mind. I am proud of my 'than/man-mAnam' (I do not expect you to have this anyway) Even if IR is magnanimous to accept this award in the name of LM, I would say that it is an insult to him; and you can call this 'Concern induced Authority'.
  
  I was very furious when I posted my earlier msg, long mail. Sorry, if my comparision of WaltDisney/Micky mouse did not exactly match. Let me try a different one - correct me if I am again wrong - What about 'Ben Kingsley' award to 'Richard Attenbourough' when both of them are alive...
  Generally,
  most of my anger is directed at the undue prominence given to anything Northy in India. Even in classical music, only the Northy Instrumentalists / singers are given prominence. Come and enjoy December Festival in Chennai - you will understand what I mean. In what way Mandolin Sreenivas is inferior to Pandit R.Shankar ? Same applies for Kunnakudi/Lalgudi Vs. Sarod maestros there... SethurAman, Ponnuchami, Kadri Gopalnath Vs. Shenai maestros... Zahir Hussain Vs. (do not want to insult our Mirudhangam maestros by naming them against ZH here). Same applies for LM Vs. MS/PS/SJ.
  
  If u have the arrogance to call IR as just one of the Best MD's when I feel he is the greatest ever, why should not I say that LM is just one of the best singers and not the best ever ?
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 216.160.175.161) on: Sun Mar 25 22:21:14 EST 2001
  
  sabash subbu.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.134) on: Mon Mar 26 00:46:59 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend!
  My posting (she is just one -0.001 etc.) was just a reply to the funny message of si comparing a composer to a singer and not meant to hit LM (& her admirers) please:-)
  
  & I must state that your message:
  "IR should feel honoured for having worked with some one like Lata and not the other way." is equally funny and illogical, IMHO.
  
  First of all the jobs are different (one creates while the other renders it; if you're in SW development field, you'll probably know where an analyst / designer stands in comparison with a programmer, however gifted the one who's coding may be)and how can you compare?
  Secondly, Raja has in his field achieved levels that no composer from the country has ever hitherto matched, IMHO, and I don't think he needs to be honored this way.
  
  If your statements are related to Raja the singer, may be we can consider further discussion but there again male/female issue might inhibit comparisons:-))
  
  
• From: L Vaidyanathan (@ 203.199.130.164) on: Mon Mar 26 10:32:31 EST 2001
  
  Mr Subbu,
  You yourself have admitted that you have hardly heard Lata. So you have no right to talk like this,dear. Secondly,this means you have not heard C Ramchandra, Salil Chaudhary,RD,SD,Chitragupt,Jaidev,Khayyam,Madan MOhan,Roshan either.
  So on what basis do you say that IR is the best?
  I think you are one of those myriads of south indians who dont like to listen to artists from other states. You are only worth ignoring.
  
  The south also has other talented music directors like ARR and MSV.
  Another thing : you passed a dirt remark which meant that Lata is worth only 5$. Its a disgrace and a pity that you havent experienced the magic of her music.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 26 10:48:02 EST 2001
  
  L Vaidyanathan (?) I am impressed by the wide listening you have of MDs from North. 'Myriads of South Indians' do not listen to artistes from other states mainly because of language barriers. But I am told Tamil Nadu is the place which nurtured the musical Trinity. They seem to have composed mainly in languages other than tamil. Even today in December, quite a lot of people go to classical musical concerts where telugu and other languages dominate. I did not know that we had ARR (yeah Rangeela) and MSV (the old dude who sang for ARR in sangaman hey !!).
  Your posts were very enlightening !! BTW, whats the difference between an apple and a orange..Not much ..hey !!
  :(
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Mon Mar 26 11:33:54 EST 2001
  
  L Vaidhyanathan:
  
  I have heard all those MD's compositions and more. And of course, it will always be that the songs I have not heard will be greater than the songs I have heard, in any genre of music. Despite all of this, I can say that Ilayaraja is clearly the best Music Director of all time as far as Indian Film music is concerned. That doesn't mean that I think ARR or MSV or Salilda or SDB or Roshan or Naushad are NOT good. But if you must crown then it has to be IR!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Mar 26 11:44:07 EST 2001
  
  Read a proverb somewhere:
  "Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown"
  
  Could someone explain the deeper meaning of this proverb?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Mar 26 11:45:11 EST 2001
  
  Read pronounced as colour "red"
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.99) on: Mon Mar 26 11:59:40 EST 2001
  
  Dear Balaji,
  
  1)You are mistaken if you say that Shankar jaikishan,Madan Mohan,Roshan,C Ramchandra, Anil Biswas and even Hemant Kumar were not as popular as Naushad or IR. You don't seem to have heard much of Hindi film music. As far as variety is concerned, Naushad composed several ghazals. Did IR?
  
  2)naushad did not compose for 'Chaudhavi ka chaand'.It was ravi, an underrated but highly talent md who used both western and indian.
  
  3) Vani Jairam's hindi/urdu is terribly flawed. Read my earlier msg. to you again. So is Hemant Kumar's or Kumar Sanu's. But not of Manna Dey.You have not heard his ghazals and his Marathi songs.
  He is too good as far as diction goes.
  
  4) PS, SJ did not need to appease Lata. They are as good as well established in their own lines.
  yet they consider Lata their source of inspiration. Even MS Subbalaxmi,Ustaad Bade ghulam ali khan,pandit Ravi Shankar, Panit Jasraj and Kumaar Gandharva praise her. Ustaad bade ghulam ali khan has called her 'SWAR SARASWATI'.
  These people were legends established well in their own lines!!! They praised Lata due to their artistic appreciation and her HEAVENLY VOICE.
  Noorjehan the melody queen of Pakistan openly said
  that Lata is worthy of veneration, not just praise.
  
  5) Lata's voice is awful for the past 7-8 years.
  But it was too good in the 80's. If you say 'yaara silli silli' was bad, i pity your bad music sense. You read my earlier response to your msg. and see the list again. And if you get a chance listen to 'Sagh so javo' from tarang(1985).Its a really complex classical number. Lata displays amazing bhaavam and range,flexibility of chords in such a heavy song.
  I dont think you know that Lata was a professional singer at the age of 10 itself.
  
  6)MS and LM cannot be compared at all. They are mutual admirers. Moreover MS is MAINLY a classical singer and LM a playback singer. Even Kishori Amonkar and Beghum Akhtar sang a lot of light songs (bhavgeet,bhajan,natyageet -kishori
  and thumri,ghazal-akhthar). But they cannot be compared to SUSHEELA!!!!
  
  7)As far as variety goes, there are 50-60 songs of Lata falling into pop category.
  All songs of films like 'Mem didi','Prem patra' are like that. In fact Salil Chaudhary preferredd Lata over asha though his music was based on wetsren styles also. Even RDB - asha's husband gave sevral of his best songs to Lata.
  Will you say that RDB or SDB are not as good as IR?
  Listen to 'shola jo bhadke','gham chhodke manao '
  'aaha rimjhim ke...' (listen to how beautifully she yoddles here!),'mera naam hai jameela' (a seductive cabaret)'raaton ke saaye ghane' & 'jhanan jhanana' (md-salil c. both are a curious mix of Indian and western music)
  
  8)Lata's lavnis(marathi) and pop/rock-n-roll are less in number. But she has proved herself excellent in all idioms. She later on decided to specialize, though she has given many hits based on wetsern styles. If you are a medical student and have a choice between surgery and say skin, you might opt for the former , say because you like it more. That does not mean you cannot do the latter!!
  In fact Lata has done everything that SJ or Asha have
  If you feel Lata is not verstaile, you haven't heard her enough at ALL!!!
  Also 'phulon ka taaron ka' and 'tumhi ho maata ' sound very much the voices of children.there are many more examples.
  
  9) I am an ardent admirer of PS and MS TOO!!
  I never meant to say Lata was better than these too at all!!!
  
  10) Log onto http://www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/latamangeshkar. This club has members from as far as Africa and Scandinavia. When Lata performed her first show in USA, she was praised by none other than Michael Jackson though she sang in Hindi and Bengali. During her visit to French Guyana in '75 she was greeted by a band playing 'O Sajana ... '
  Such is her popularity.
  
  11) In the HFM field, Lata was considered best as far as diction ,bhaavam,sweetness and range. Asha was considered much better in other respects. The two are different and should not be compared. Asha always compares Lata to Tansen!!!
  
  12) I feel, Balaji, you need to check out a few facts, before throwing loose remarks like these.
  If you feel LM is ordinary and not worthy of Bharat Ratna, its your own misconception.
  People will forget your foolish remarks after a few days, but Lata's and Susheela's and MS'S and IR's great work will remain.
  
  People dont get popularity just fro nothing. Its due to exceptional talent!!!
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.99) on: Mon Mar 26 12:13:04 EST 2001
  
  Dear subbu,
  1)Its true that many good south indian musicians have not got due recognition-L Subramaniam,Lalgudi Jayraman, U shreenivas.
  But Ustaad Bade ghulam ali khan,Aamir Khan,Vilayat Khan,Kumar Gandharva also did not.
  2)Mohammed Rafi, one of India's best playback artists has got ONLY PADMASHRI, even after being the top male playback singer in Bollywood for 30 years!!!
  3)U Shreenivas is an excellent player. But do you know that India's first Classical mandolin player was SAJJAD HUSSAIN, another diehard Lata fan. His contribution to Indian classical has been totally unnoticed. He was a great MD TOO.
  4)The state of Maharashtra has excellent artists like Sudhir Phadke and his son Shridhar Phadke, Dr Vasantrao Deshpande, Dr Veena Sahastrabudhdhe,
  Malini Rajurkar and many more, from classical as well as film line. Have you even heard their names? Why?
  5) I agree that Zakir Hussain has been hyped. Have you heard Anindo Chatterjee, Kishan Maharaj?
  6)What about N Rajam???
  7)Did MS NOT get the Bharat ratna. Are concerts of Bal Murli Krishna not popular in North?
  Have you heard a 'jugalbandhi' between Bal Murli Krishna and Kishori Amonkar? Its amazing - I heard it once in Bombay-they rendered raag Yaman (kalyani as per Carnatic music).
  8)Remove the misconception that only some south indian artists are not being respected.
  If you read LM's biography, you'll feel bad on the struggle even an artist of her callibre
  faced.
  9) If you trust me, give me your e-mail id. We'll have a good converstaion, and state our points open mindedly you know! We may even become good friends for all you know!!
  my e-mail id is pqrxyzus@hotmail.com
  10) I never mean to under-estimate IR AT ALL.
  But people here have not heard other MD's at all.
  
  
  

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