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Illayaraja in the list of international classical composers

Topic started by Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on Tue Aug 13 20:01:05 EDT 2002.
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I surprisingly found his name in the list of classical composers around the world.


http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians-list/composers/classical.html

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• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Thu Aug 15 20:00:22 EDT 2002
  
  Hello Unmai ,
  I agree with some of ur points .But his choice of singers is better than ILLAa -the present ILLAS ..For example ILLAS always uses a singer for a prticular season and then there is no vareity ..Particularly if watch it in some small movies ,illas choice is horrible ...
  
  When it comes to vareity again illas does not offer variety ....KAASI songs are good ,but they are not new ...Iam not saying they resembel some old tunes ,but we are tired of hearing such songs ..AN exception which i found in recent years was HEYRAm ,TIME ,SETHU ,KANNUKUL NILAVU,may be IVANN...
  
  Off late AR Rehman Music is soft but they are not hit .WIth regard to BGM RAAJ is the king ..No doubt about it .
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Thu Aug 15 20:19:45 EDT 2002
  
  who is ILLAs? I thought we are talking about ARR?
  
  
• From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 15 21:26:15 EDT 2002
  
  To all the guys who are trying to reason with Unmai. Unmai doesn't speak. He spits venom.
  Beyond all his paragraphs and paragraphs of writing, we can only see a frustrated IR fan clutching at straws. Let us be magnamious. Let him rattle on and on.
  
  Do you note something interesting: Uthaman --> JJ --> Unmai. When one disappears, the other appears and the one gone, never returns!
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Thu Aug 15 21:41:15 EDT 2002
  
  I THOUGHT 161.142.100.86 I THOUGHT THIS GUY WAS JUST A LUNATIC MORAN!! NOW HE PROVES BEYOND DOUBT HE IS STUPID TOO!!! WHAT IS HE IS TRYING TO SAY?
  I AM JAYALALITHA??? WHO IS THIS UTHAMAN?
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Thu Aug 15 21:42:46 EDT 2002
  
  
  IGNORE 161.142.100.86 CHECK THE FOLLOWING POSTS OF HIM IN DIFFERENT NAMES . I GUESS HIS IDs REVEAL!!!
  
  
  From: Poruthavar boomi aalvaar (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Aug 14 20:34:40 EDT 2002
  
  Unmai doesn't speak. He spits venom. Beyond all his paragraphs and paragraphs of writing, we can only see a frustrated IR fan clutching at straws. Let us be magnamious. Let him rattle on and on. We know who is superior.
  
  From: GB (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 8 10:10:38 EDT 2002
  porutevar boomi-ye allvar....
  so IR fans plz stay calm n tuned,,
  only time will reveal His magnificent work in Ivan
  
  From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 8 21:02:23 EDT 2002
  
  Guys, why are you wasting your time on Ivan, avan and such stupid stuff?
  Fact is no one outside this forum talks about Ivan.
  
  From: GB (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Aug 12 10:23:37 EDT 2002
  
  most of us didnt like many songs at first appeal coz...we did not watch the movie n the video clip.its one of IR's supernatural that his tunes fits good to the screenplay of the song....thats why we dont get the touch till we listen to the song while watching the movie.
  for me ..i had the same experiance with germanyin senteyn malare in ulasai paravaigal....now i fall in love with that song
  
  From: Nijam ILLEI (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Aug 13 02:08:02 EDT 2002
  
  Yes yes, SPM you are right. Rajini is junior to Mathavan and IR is senior to Thyagaraja Bhagavathar. Happy?" Your point in showing that you're total moron being?
  
  From: Sheela (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Fri Jul 5 05:21:35 EDT 2002
  
  Hai Usha,
  I haven’t got chance to listen to the songs. I believe all his song is wonderful. Thanks for informing.
  
  
  
  IGNORE 161.142.100.86 CHECK THE ABOVE POSTS OF HIM IN DIFFERENT NAMES ?
  
  
• From: Neela niram karanju pochu..... (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 15 22:03:35 EDT 2002
  
  Nice try Uthaman @ JJ @ Unmai.
  
  Panicky?
  
  Let's see HOW people treat you NOW. :)
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Thu Aug 15 23:24:44 EDT 2002
  
  Who would be this Uthaman and JJ by the way mr. one of your figment of imagination!!!! Are you feeling guilty that i am tearing you down in every page!!! As long as you want to escape... you can call me Michael Jackson, George Bush any name you want!!! But you think i am going to let you fool around this TFM page with funny and funky names!!! Don't keep crying man!!! Only way you get some kind of relief is by quitting this page. Because whatever you write is totally irrelevant you are hiding behind Woman's name to woo a Woman!! Then you gloat over IR music with GB. Immly after two positngs you attack IR music!!! You are one real PSYCHO of the century who do not what he is talking about!!!
  
  
• From: Final Warning to Uthaman @ JJ @ Unmai (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 15 23:47:28 EDT 2002
  
  Unmai, you are testing my patience.
  One more nasty word from you and I am going to tear apart your REAL identity and EXPOSE you.
  
  Going to admin and crying to them to delete my posting revealing the real you, will be of no use, as it will be TOO late.
  
  Don't say that I have not warned you!
  
  
• From: sgmuser (@ 203.117.33.25) on: Fri Aug 16 04:58:58 EDT 2002
  
  sounded relevant...thats why iam cutting and paste the following text which i read in the singapore's newspaper(accidently, yesterday this newspaper got selected as the newspaper of Asia pacific)! this is the review about Bombay Dreams by ARR.
  
  "Less Bollywood than West End is Bombay
  
  BRITISH curry, anyone? But, wait, not too spicy, please.
  
  While bombay dreams, the laterst musical produced by AL Webber makes no claims for authenticity, what are we to make of true blue Indian composer AR Rahman's largely whitewashed songs for a West End audience?
  
  What one gets is not so much fiery Bollywood passion but a very tame copycat with more purr than bite.
  
  At its worst, songs sound like Disney's slick pop ditties, as in Love's Never Easy - so much so you half expect Celine Dion to sashay out and does her heart-thumping schtick amid enchanting indian dancers.
  
  Aside from some showtunes like Chaiyya Chaiyya and How many stars wehre the energy shines through, you migh as settle for Baz Luhrmann's rojak soundtrack for Moulin Rouge, or the latest Sara Brightman CD."
  
  i just copied and pasted the text without any modifications...now decide yourself. also people should remember that IR's both the western classical albums sold well in US and as well UK. Selling ice to eskimos...isn't it?
  
  
• From: Fairmusiclover (@ 202.156.2.186) on: Fri Aug 16 06:26:56 EDT 2002
  
  Don't just rely on one bias review to judge ARR's
  Be fair!
  Bombay Dreams. I have heard all the tracks, even though the tunes are not originals mainly, they are pretty well done i would say. So don't be biased and give credit where it is due. Stop comparing and wasting time...enjoy the good music that comes from various greats, be it IR, ARR, YSR or KR...they are all capable of delighting us with their great composings....
  
  
• From: shysun (@ 61.11.81.74) on: Fri Aug 16 07:38:19 EDT 2002
  
  raaja rules no doubt
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Fri Aug 16 10:23:30 EDT 2002
  
  MR 161.142.100.86 HOW CAN YOU MANAGE SUCH STUPID THREATS? IGNORANCE IS THE KEY RIGHT?... YOU HIRE ALL THE FBIs and CIDs. STILL YOU WILL FIND YOUR FACE SH** FILLED.... JUST BECAUSE I EXPOSED YOU WITH SOLID PROOF... YOU CANNOT DRAG ALL THOSE WHO VISIT THIS FORUM!!! THERE IS NOBODY HERE TO BELIEVE YOUR STUPID "INVESTIGATION".
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri Aug 16 10:24:33 EDT 2002
  
  >>>raaja rules
  
  Where?..
  
  >>>>also people should remember that IR's both the western classical albums sold well in US and as well UK
  
  What symphony..? The biggest scandal to fool Tamil Audience.
  
  As for HTNI and NBW, they are nothing more than a Jugalbandhi. Lalgudi Jayaraaman or L. Subramaniam had done even better things than that. Let me how many cassettes have sold for that. Pea nuts.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Fri Aug 16 10:32:23 EDT 2002
  
  wow - HTNI and NBW are just Jugalbandhi!!!!!! man, i thought "Are Yaar" had some music sense.... what an idiot am I.... "Symphony" did happen.... so iam not sure what is the "fool Tamil Audience" is about.... and yes, it was not RELEASED....
  
  
• From: To Unmai (@ 132.235.229.90) on: Fri Aug 16 19:04:36 EDT 2002
  
  Unmai, what has having different scales in one song got to do with mixing?? Those examples i gave are in regard with composing, not mixing. Any discerned listener can perceive the scale change in the KM song irrespective of him listening to it in a boss system, or a mono radio. (And the logic that its a bad song that sounds good in a stereo but doesnt in mono radio is crappy logic.) As for the rest of ur points, if u know what my counter argument wud be, no need to type them in.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Fri Aug 16 21:48:29 EDT 2002
  
  "From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri Aug 16 10:24:33 EDT 2002
  
  
  >>>raaja rules
  
  Where?.."
  
  Our favourite music composer rulez in our hearts because of his old songs and new songs and BGM.
  
  Now you tell me which part of your body does your fav. music arranger rules? I know it can't be the heart coz gypsies don't remain in a place to build that kinda feelings or rapport both ways. They are always moving one place to another where they think they can find 'excitement'.
  
  
  >>>>also people should remember that IR's both the western classical albums sold well in US and as well UK
  
  What symphony..? The biggest scandal to fool Tamil Audience.
  
  As for HTNI and NBW, they are nothing more than a Jugalbandhi. Lalgudi Jayaraaman or L. Subramaniam had done even better things than that. Let me how many cassettes have sold for that. Pea nuts."
  
  Like what of L.Subramaniam's or Jayaraaman's? I want to know what work of theirs are you comparing HTNI and NBW to?
  
  
• From: IR never missed the target (@ 172.169.170.155) on: Fri Aug 16 22:23:39 EDT 2002
  
  Are Yaar: just go check www.muthamil.com, they have some excellent IR not featured elsewhere go one by one and find out for yourself. i became a hardcore IR fan listening to only pre 84 songs, after that i stopped because i could not do anything else, but now i freak out listening to post 84 thru 97 songs.
  
  I feel sad for people who cannot have the chance to listen to an IR song and feel more sad for people who think ARR has composed better. daily i find some song of ARR i liked so much coming out inspired of some foreign song. this guy has no limits for that
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Fri Aug 16 22:43:53 EDT 2002
  
  ARR plgaiarizes too much. I have lost respect for his music. How good it may be it is still copied!!! Mixing and everything is copied and experimented. He has no originality. Glad i am in U.S. People who are in India will far less be aware of his copy cat techniques. Gradually people are uncovering them. Fooling audience? Very very inappropriate term!!! If you say ARR fooled Tamil audience with BABA i would agree. Symphony is an international classical music. I don't what you mean by "fooling" audience? One thing ARR fans must know is he is not composing songs keeping in mind with scale changes!!! He is a rythm based composer!! He never cares about how many scales.. whatever he does is just a coincidence. JUst listen to wide range of pop and latin tunes. You will find scale changes in song.
  You think they do that keeping in mind scale changes. Ultimately how it sounds is the important point. That title is not a great tune!!
  Just an inspiration of some eurpoean tune, He has cleverly changed the instrument!! He is the one fooling Tamil Audiences with his copy cat techniques.. All his new age songs are inspired by foreign new age tunes... I am sorry to say he is not even a decent composer let alone whizkid. Sorry if i am harsh on my once favorite MD. Thats the reality. I have learnt he has cheated Tamil public for the latst 10 years.
  
  

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