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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Feb 13 11:10:34 EST 2001
  
  Kandan,
  I agree KKKK songs doesnt resemble vandemataram songs. But, tell me if you find a resemblemce with 'chinna kannan azhaikiran..'?.
  
  Just because he took tamils name to HFM doesnt mean everyone should keep hailing him. In that process we should not forget people who took tamil music to great heights from working here.
  
  BTW, ARR is yet to work in hollywood. I dont see a surprise when the best commercial indian composer is choosen for film based on indian backgroud.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Feb 13 17:12:28 EST 2001
  
  kk,
  ZERO resemblance. because chinna kannan azhaikiraan is in reethi gowlai and kandukonden is not set in the same raga. maybe u feel so because of the slight similiarity in sandham(i.e. the first line alone). but absolutely no similiarity otherwise.
  
  unfortunately i find many people posting wrong examples here in this thread without bothering to verify.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Tue Feb 13 18:34:24 EST 2001
  
  In the song 'vA arugil vA' a superb original creation by Veda (sung by PS) in the movie 'athE kaNgaL' has its interlude copied from the Hindi version from 'nAnE varuvEn' which itself was copied in the movie 'yAr nee'.
  Kandan, the first few lines of your post apply very well to you.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Tue Feb 13 18:35:20 EST 2001
  
  Ignore the first word in my post :)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Wed Feb 14 10:35:59 EST 2001
  
  Vijay,
  I know this before, but this proves ARR is nothing but yet another muscian, who makes songs that nothing different from his seniors. I dont deny KKKK is good songs and its original. But there still some similarity in the tune.
  
  In the past, many had done the kind of work he does! but ARR managed the media to houl that he has bought a new kind of music.
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.53.130) on: Wed Feb 14 12:49:36 EST 2001
  
  Actually if you listen to the starting Vandhematarm and listen to Kandukonden there is a similarity. Just watch Kandukonden movie the starting flute piece in the title clearly matches Vandhemataram starting piece. I stay firm with my arguement.
  
  Listen to IRs"Chitra Sevvanam Sirikka Kandaen" and listen ARRs"Chakravagamo Mazhai Arunthuma" En Swase Katre you can hear a slight similarity.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 63.252.210.238) on: Wed Feb 14 21:24:55 EST 2001
  
  Friends,
  I think, every MD has been inspired by his forefathers. Inspiration is a must for any successful MD and so it is not appropriate to point out songs which has a slight similarity or inspired from other songs. For all you might know, it could have been just a coincidence. It would be better to point blank those music pieces which have been a replica of some other songs or have been heavily inspired. Whether a song is a hit or not, originality is what we all appreciate. So let us bring those songs into light which we think for sure is an unarguable remake of another song.
  
  
• From: Sobia (@ 24.141.131.35) on: Fri Feb 16 01:21:10 EST 2001
  
  Sobia Raj!!!
  
  I agree that Mus's copy the songs, but copying is not the matter, where how do they copy, how much they??? Compare to some Mus's such as Sirp, Dev...
  A.R is the greatest and unique Mus!!!
  
  
• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Fri Feb 16 20:33:05 EST 2001
  
  Copying /being influenced goes on all the time. For older people it is like dejavu.
  
  In some recent movies, i heard IR recycling his own not-so-popular songs from years ago - 'unnaithaan azaikkiren' (Gayathri), 'aasaiyai kaathula thoodhuvittu' (Johnny), 'Kannan enna sonnaan' (kannan/bommai/kuzhanthai something).
  
  'roja roja' I feel is 'influenced' by 'mullil roja' and/or 'yeh laal rang'.
  
  I hear Deva intelligently copy some sixties Hindi numbers.
  
  Long ago, Veda and TR Papa used to copy popular Hindi songs - 'aasaiyaa kobamaa', 'naane varuven', 'neeradum azhagellam', 'paarvai onre pothume', 'kangalai knoduvaa' and many others. 'palingunaal oru maligai' was an exact copy of Artie Shaw's 'Frenesie', - but what a beautiful copy. I enjoy the copy more than the original, same for 'kangalai' and 'parvai'.
  
  In some of the 60s hindi remakes of Tamil movies by Gemini, AVM etc., although the songs did not sound copied, they sounded distinctly MSV/TKR style. Later I read that they were actually scored by the duo, but under a hindi music director's name.
  
  When I heard MSV/TKR's 'varavendum oru pozhuthu'(kalaikoyil) - it was so far out, with its piano and sax - that I was convinced that it ought to be an American copy. To the duo's credit I still have not heard the original !!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.11) on: Fri Feb 16 21:48:56 EST 2001
  
  I am just posting the great similarity between IR's How to Name it and Bombay theme music of ARR...ARR got inspired from IR??
  
  Compare the starting portion of both music.
  
  
  For IR's version click on Study for violin on this page
  http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&film=How+To+Name+It&exact=1
  
  For ARR's bombay theme music listen from here:
  
  http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/PrimetimeAve/arrbombay/
  
  No need to put this one here. but I promised earlier and hence I am doing it. Enjoy
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.11) on: Fri Feb 16 21:56:43 EST 2001
  
  I feel ARR has directly lifted and just changed the pace of the music. Otherwise the original version is much better. Sorry to say this.
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.56.90) on: Fri Feb 16 22:56:34 EST 2001
  
  ARR inspires (copies) from genius maestro IR. It has been a known fact all along. Way to go Fliflo for bringing this one out.
  
  
• From: Roy (@ 203.197.134.131) on: Tue Feb 20 11:26:10 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo and Bhagavathar - ARR is beyond copying IR.
  He is in a different spectrum altogether! Please do not spoil this forum in IRs name. I can understand if you can call the Ullam kollai poguthey resembling Nila athu vaanathu melay by IR, the father son similarity or the Deva beat in Yaapa yappa iyappa and the song with Prabudevas singing in swayamvaram also by Deva being an inspiration to KarthikRaja. Why do you unnecessarily involve ARR! He is a concept on his own!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Wed Feb 21 00:31:25 EST 2001
  
  Roy,
  
  neenga enna solla vareenga puriyalai.,
  But one small correction, the swayamvaram song you are mentioning is composed by Vidyasagar, not Deva.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Siva (@ 203.197.134.244) on: Thu Feb 22 22:25:33 EST 2001
  
  Yappa yappa Iyappa of Deva = Yakkakka yakkakka of YSR.The same beat rhythm pattern. Very true. I was wondering why this is being done. Reputation is important.
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Feb 23 00:22:09 EST 2001
  
  Siva.,
  Yakkakkaa Yakkakkaa is by KR., not YSR
  
  Yes, I am also worried about this very much, KR is talented, he has proved it in more than one occasions, But Why he is copying thesedays - One song in Vaanchinathan sounds like 'En veettuth thoottaththil'., This song is almost known as a Deva number by all my friends (When I told them it is not by Deva, They don't believe it - 'Deva copy adippaar, paarththirukkoom, Deva-vai evanaavathu copy adippaanaa ? impossible' - this is what they say :-)
  
  KR has to come out of this.,
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Feb 23 01:55:22 EST 2001
  
  Naga,
  
  I really expected a lot out of KR post-Grahan and Ullasam. But I found that even the Ullasam number 'cholare' was inspired by a a number 'oi tiresto' by Dubai based Punjabi singer Sukhbir. Sukhbir himself had copied the song by Alabina 'Salaam' as 'yalla yalla', so I still am looking for the source of 'oi tiresto'.
  
  But even in Grahan, KR had used a song by his dad, not sure which one...I think 'aaj main khush hoon...'. I'm not sure on this fact, let me check it out fully.
  
  But KR had missed the target continuously in all his subsequent movies. In fact in Naam iruvar namakku iruvar, he had actually copied the song from Evita (*ing Madonna and Antonio Banderas) 'Buenos Aires' as 'hello enthan kaadhala'! So much for originality!
  
  In Vanchinathan too there's way too much noise in terms of percussions and BG where you can hardly make out that its actually Shaan who's singing Amul baby. The recording also seems to be skewed towards projecting the music and not the singing. I'd rate Ullasam as his best to date, with 'konjum manjal pookal' as his best song.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Feb 23 02:46:03 EST 2001
  
  Karthik.,
  
  'Cholare' is a copy ???? News to me., ! :-(
  
  "Aaj Main Khush Hoon" is KR's tune only, it is 'NeTRu vantha kaaTRu' from the movie 'KaNmaNi' - IR was the MD and KR composed this song alone, IR was only the singer :-) This is supposed to be the best composition of KR according to IR., He told this in one interview.,
  
  I fully agree to you that KR is missing his target continuously, Except 'Intha sirippinai' and 'Kaasumaele' - none of his songs after ullaasam reached the people., (My fav. in his after-ullaasam songs is 'Aaaththi, Adi aaththi' from NINI - Don't ask me the reason ;-) Even in his re-entry - IMO he hasn't done any justice to the people who gave him chance in Vanchinathan and ULLam koLLai poguthey.
  
  My rating about KR is this - he has to be careful, come out of this - Hope MaNi Rathnam's production 'Dum Dum Dum' will bring the best from him., As of now, I feel his best album is 'Ullaasam' and Best songs are 'Veesum KaaTRukku' (Unni Krishnan, Harini - PazaniBharathi) from the same movie and 'Nadhiyoram veesum thenDRal' (Unni Krishnan, Bhavadharini - PaarthiBaskar) from Alexandar.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Fri Feb 23 10:22:51 EST 2001
  
  Flifo,
  One of my friends strongly contended that the Bombay's theme music is a very much an inspiration from a late 70' American classic (I don't remember the film name or MD, what I remember is that it was a film about Jesus or some story or epic about Jesus).
  Now, you say that Bombay music resembles Ir's How to name it.? Now, tell me is IR's a copied one.
  
  World will come to an end if IR had copied.
  GOD save the world.!
  
  If somebody knew about it please tell me. Also, he told me that Kunkumam magazine carried an article about it.
  
  Just leave it. You are not going to get any thing by proving any thing.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Feb 23 10:58:17 EST 2001
  
  SK;
  
  Thanks for that. Would you post me the corresponding music site. If IR has done that then Yes! he has!. A copy is a copy irrespective of who they are. As long as you prove, the earlier ones win.
  
  "Nettrikann thirappinum kuttram kuttrame"
  
  But as I pointed out in one of the threads, % originality IR always stands way, way ahead.
  I look forward for your link. I posted, because I happend to find a similarity and requested people to go through. Ears may listen differently!!!
  
  Well, fo that matter who is going to get what? This is just a discussion forum, which many times is informative, boring, sleepy, funny and enjoyable. Ours is just a part of it. A valuable time pass, I guess. How do you feel??
  
  (If MDs happen to vist this forum, let them know what people discuss about them. Sometimes, it may be a drug to cure their disease).
  
  
  
  
  

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