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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.230) on: Mon May 21 05:31:34 EDT 2001
  
  heard a song `rAsavE enna theriyalayA' or something like that from the film `rAjarAjEswari' and it's an imitation of an already very ordinary song `thoongAthE thambi thoongAthE, nee thoongippittu pinnAdi EngAthE'...
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Mon May 21 06:37:52 EDT 2001
  
  Just thought I'd share with you the message from film critic Salma Khatib who writes for Screen among other publications. She was answering to my mail on Nadeem Sharavan copying 2 songs from Middle Eastern sources in Dhadkan and going on to say that they expected an award for Dhadkan!
  
  "Hi Karthik,
  
  Thanks for ur response. Nice to know that u have taken pains to discover the roots of the songs.
  Anyway Nadeem never claimed that he was composing all of original music. He did say that he was influenced by music around the world. And all music directors are influenced by songs from everywhere. But I must congratulate u for ur research. Thanks again and do keep writing
  to me with ur discoveries. Bye. Salma"
  
  I've never seem a lamer excuse. Never expected this from a noted critic! I assume this is the way people deal with plagiarism in this country. Imagine how different things would be if our copyright laws were more stringent? Hopefully then such people would be more forthright in pointing it out than doing this hopeless bit of ass-licking.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon May 21 13:25:11 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik,
  
  You can expect hard hitting reviewers/critics in film magazines, or any magazines for that matter. They are inside glass castle. They can go beyond a level. The same screen magazine has to go to nadeem or anu malik for a interview, or they have to depend on thier friends for new source.
  
  You have done so much research, why dont you write a article and forward to magazines like india-today or outlook? They might consider publishing it.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Mon May 21 15:37:16 EDT 2001
  
  I admire your determination and commitment Karthik...I bet your e-mail has given Salma Khatib the jitters ! She has her reviews to defend....and looks like she is scared to accept the truth :)
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon May 21 16:00:40 EDT 2001
  
  karthik
  
  just want to let u know ... salma is also trying to use u . she sees u as a free collector... for her database of copied songs.... she will use it in her articles when she decides to trash the MD.
  
  
  and also maybe she doesnt want to publicly agree with u.. and she is euphemistically saying... that she agrees with u .. that nadeem is a brainless MD
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Mon May 21 16:08:51 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik
  You have done extensive research and work on this dont let it go waste.
  Instead start your own webpage or good forum like this and you can write your own articles.
  Dont waste your time with these reporters,most of them doesnt know anything ,really I mean it they dont do enough research nor will they accept the fact.
  Continue your good work
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Mon May 21 16:09:46 EDT 2001
  
  And also we should send some protest mails to the rediff for their often lousy reports about South MDs and protraying north MDs as out of the world
  
  
• From: raju (@ 212.140.113.139) on: Mon May 21 18:21:33 EDT 2001
  
  just heard a song from 'Citizen' , i think it might be called POOKKARA or similar. the opening is an exact copy of ABBA's 'take a chance on me'
  
  
• From: arrfan (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Tue May 22 04:50:03 EDT 2001
  
  Is it true that a song in Lagaan is a repeat of 1 in Kizhakku cheemeyile?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.188) on: Tue May 22 07:35:09 EDT 2001
  
  vijay:
  I think you got it all wrong. I don't visit this forum frequently now-a-days and so when I see a posting, I had to skip 2 or 3 pages backward to post a reply for that. Your posting was like that. Since, it was a couple of pages away and I believe that you posted contents even after that perticular posting, I wanted to point out your exact message to post a reply. So I C & P ed the entire IP and date. I just thanked you for the information. If you don't want , don't accept it. I loose nothing.
  
  
• From: abrar ahamed (@ 202.142.71.23) on: Tue May 22 11:34:39 EDT 2001
  
  hello i am searching the tamil song from movie memadam "Magadi Povai"
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue May 22 17:41:32 EDT 2001
  
  "I wanted to point out your exact message "
  
  CF, in that case you should have C and Ped the entire message and not just the header alone..do you realize now that it looked like as if I wrote that post whereas in reality YOU had written it? you didnt mean it intentionally of course but it was a big slip..the next time you want to quote my message C and P the ENTIRE message and not the header alone..or just mention my name..by including details like the time of my post etc. you are not achieveing anything and you would end up confusing others..Anyways excuse me for interpreting it in the way it was not supposed to..
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.188) on: Wed May 23 09:14:09 EDT 2001
  
  vijay:
  I accept .
  And I excuse.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed May 23 11:18:01 EDT 2001
  
  i know i am digressing from this topic... but i am having this huge bet with my frnd... that i had to ask it here.... pls bear with me and answer this question ....
  
  There is this concept of ratings for TV shows in america/india ... how is this ratings done... this rating of 7.8 and 5.7 etc who does this numbers and how r these numbers obtained....
  
  see advertisements cannot alone dictate it because i dunno how advertisemenst wud translate to a rating point... and i also dunno how the network channels track the # of people watching a particlar show...
  
  can anyone plz quantify this ratings stuff for me...
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed May 23 13:23:57 EDT 2001
  
  bharath.
  http://www.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm
  may help.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed May 23 14:01:04 EDT 2001
  
  haris,
  
  thanx a lot... that was really helpful....
  
  thanks again
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 23 14:37:36 EDT 2001
  
  Guys..I think we are diluting the discussions under this topic. So far all I got was the info that second interlude of kAdOram lOlAkku has been copied. I would like to see Karthik at work here. But he seems to be devoting his time to hindi films. (Braindrain to HFMPage ? :) )
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Wed May 23 14:42:47 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru, got to a video store and check out an old movie called the dutches and dirt water fox, hear the opening score...you will know the song....it is tamil also in a movie called vikram.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed May 23 16:41:06 EDT 2001
  
  comment, can u give the exact title of the film? i tried with imdb.com .. NO matches..
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.237) on: Wed May 23 16:57:48 EDT 2001
  
  And Comment..which song is it in Vikram ?
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Wed May 23 17:48:37 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6301777468/o/qid=990653551/sr=8-1/ref=aps_sr_v_1_1/107-3747910-9650151
  
  
  song:enjodi maja kuruvi.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed May 23 19:41:42 EDT 2001
  
  Guys, I believe MSV has been strongly inspired by a song called "Akele hain chale aao" by Lata (another version by Rafi) from the movie Raaz for his song "naalai intha velai paarthu" by PS from Uyarndha manithan. the former came out in 67, the latter in 68 and it fetched PS a national award..
  
  I havethe song in mp3 and would try to get it to the list somehow but in the meantime if any of you can find the realaudo link(i tried) on the net can u pl get it??
  
  Oh, but only the Lata version NOT the rafi version..with the lata version u would note the similiarity ...not a copy but a huge inspiration.. teh way lata starts and the pallavi are definitely similiar..
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Wed May 23 19:59:33 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.firstindia.com/entertainment/songs/oldmoviesongs.asp .. the song is here, vijay.. is this the one u r talking about?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Wed May 23 20:09:06 EDT 2001
  
  rafi version: http://indianscreen.com/mp3/raaz-akelehain.mp3
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 23 20:23:49 EDT 2001
  
  comment..I remember reading something about en jOdi manja kuruvi in these forums earlier. If you think there is a copy we should have the copied list updated.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Wed May 23 20:25:57 EDT 2001
  
  comment.. but in that page, where is the link to the music piece that's similar to vikram song..
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed May 23 23:27:23 EDT 2001
  
  I have heard about this earlier - the original of enjodi intro was supposed to be in that movie, but have never heard it so far.
  
  But there's one more version to it. There was a message somewhere in the archive that the vikram song was inspired by a track by Russian composer Katchaturian. I sampled a few katchaturian tracks via napster and found the genre of music very similar to vikram's song. But couldnt zero in on the same song so far. Katchaturian himself was supposed to be ripping off local Bavarian folk songs but was immensely popular in his own right.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Thu May 24 00:15:21 EDT 2001
  
  You all are doing great stuff. Thanks comment, vijay and others. Expose copiers!!! It is horrible to know I was listening to xerox copies, when I was thinking I saw monalisa
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu May 24 00:50:22 EDT 2001
  
  bb, that song is the right one..but the first link is not working..also its the lata version and not the rafi version that bears the similiarity...I'll try searching too...
  
  

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