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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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Neel's VJ Songs

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• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Sep 14 10:46:57 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan -
  I forgot to mention that Ek Baar Phir was directed by Vinod Pande (who also had another film with NS, SA and Marc Zuber right after his debut (EBP) titled :
  Yeh Nazdikiyan - Once again music was by Raghunath Seth, and the film had some fine songs by AP and AB.
  
  Regarding your posts: The "poetry" quotes in the above - are they translations, your own or just cf. to the tamizh lyrics from English works? Just curious.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 210.210.43.209) on: Sat Sep 14 11:18:40 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan,
  
  Thanks for your reentry! Just like Naaz, I am also curious about the English poetry (in this and some of the earlier postings!). If it is your own, it is excellent work, for one (by your own admission!) who wrote only the mandatory composition in school!
  
  1.Wasn't 'Vaangadee chittukkaLaa' from 'Adhai vida ragasiyam'?
  
  2.'Ek baar phir' had beautifully portarayed mild adultery, justifyig it rather poetically!
  
  3.Thanjaivanan, while in Pachaiyappas had written
  "Kurinji malargaLellaam pachaiyappa!
  Angu kuRaththi pesum thamizhum kooda pachaiyappa!
  sEtRil malarum poovum pachaiyappa!
  engaL SEththuppattu kalloriyum Pachaiyappa!'
  (I might have got the lines slightly wrong!)
  
  4.One small digression about 1977! That was the year emergecy (and heavy film censorship!) ended and college students were lookig forward to more entertaining films with less of scissors!
  When 'AvargaL' was released, elections were being held after revoking press censorship but still under emergency! Ads in 'Vividh Bharati' used to be "UngaL vottu yaarukku? Balachander 'avargaL', Sujatha 'avargaL', Kamalahasan 'avargaL', Rajanikanth 'avargaL', MSV 'avaragaL' etc., and the ad was a hit!
  5. Names like 'Appa Tata' ad "Mittai mummy', I am hearing after 26 years, thanks to your memory/research!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Sep 14 11:39:16 EDT 2002
  
  CV -
  
  Adhaivida Ragasiyam had Suma and Padmapriya, right? I remember one song from that film which went:Yendha Kadai Selai Indha Ponnu Udal Meley...it became an anthem for the tamilnadu textiles industry for a period of time!! (Was it sung by VJ/SJ?)
  
  Saravanan -
  Was Chandrabose's first film as MD Madhura Geetham or Tharaiyil Vazhum Meengal?
  
  Digression:
  For CV -
  Ek Baar Phir did portray a controversial subject - Wife leaves Husband for another Man. The film, athough poetic, was not without its stereotypical binaries about gender. The husband (S Oberoi) played an arrogant, self-centred bombay star, on loaction for a film shoot in London (with his "homey" wife accompanying him.) The husband is portrayed in harshly, and so it becomes easy for the audience to root for the wife when she falls for the "sensitive, smiling, bohemian artist" played by Pradeep (I don't recall his surname.)
  What could have easily turned into a maudlin, melodramatic and 3-hanky movie, was astutely avoided by Vinod Pande (the director) by just taking the other route - He minimised the dialogue, focused on small humiliations within a marriage, and made silences and the score the advocate for the gradual affair.
  A similar theme (where the husband is on the verge of straying - so what's new :-)) was picked up around the same time by Basu Bhattacharya in his Griha Pravesh (Sharmila Tagore, Sanjeev Kumar and Sarika. ) Such pathbreaking films, unfortunately, lost out to the Chacha Bhatijas and the Amar Akbar Anthonys in those days! :-)
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Sat Sep 14 16:57:00 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan,
  Thanks for the new part of VJ songs story. Nicely written. I don't think I have heard "Punniyam Seithaval" solo. Naan punniyam seithatillai polum.
  "Mannulagil" is such a brilliant song. The song has such a cosmic feeling, apt for the situation. Thanks to MSV, VJ and the chorus. Those were the days when the MDs scored and singers sang to fit the situation.
  And yes, Fadafat Jayalakshmi was indeed a wonderful artiste. Her demise was a big loss!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Sep 14 19:30:01 EDT 2002
  
  Neel D -
  Mammulagil is a brilliant song. You are so right. Just the beginning alone - "Vinnil Thondrum Tharagai Ellam Devadhai Aagum..." Except for the chorus, and the sound of bells, all gives you a sense of a "Silent Night". Songs like that were sung in front of a full orchestra in a recording studio, where the Singer(s) had to sing well, with the sound growing and flowing from stomach to throat (operatic-nnu sonna porundhum.) None of the current day cut and paste fix and fib, this-side-of-the-tonsils singing.
  Mannulagil or a Naadhamenum can be a good song for a newcomer who aspires to be a Singer, not a "singer madhiri" (to alter CV quoted quote:-))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Sep 14 19:30:36 EDT 2002
  
  Typo - Mannulagil.
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.42.169) on: Sat Sep 14 22:23:02 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz,
  "Mannulagil" song is composed in a scale to give you the feeling like it is coming from the sky, or the space, somewhere up there. The chorus is an added enrichment. That is all MSV's genius. To deliver the song in that scale, in that full-bodied full-throated voice, with expression and the perfect transitions where required (for example, note the iRakkam in the pitch at "thAnAgavE ulagil iRangum dharmajOthiyE") and bringing the song to life for eternity is all VJ's genuine talent and artistry.
  Among the new generation singers Nithyasree is the only one who has the voice to deliver the song in that pitch. But I am not sure how close she can get to VJ in feel and expression.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Sep 15 01:23:10 EDT 2002
  
  Neel D -
  I have heard the song from Jeans (?) by Nithyaree (hindi was KK?) and u are right in saying that she does display a lot of promise.
  I think the current trend of TechoTaalam is doing a disservice not just to connoisseurs of good music, it is also preventing accomplished and aspriing singers alike from demonstrating their full voice potential. If the music director can send the score from Uk or USA or wherever and the singer just has to work with the sound engineer (not even co-singer or orchestra) and record a song in the track / loop method, where is the opening to excel or rise up to any standards?
  What separates that generation of singers from the current ones in the last decade is that they all had their own unique identity. And that identity was established by not just their songs - but they way in which the songs were recorded, reproduced and brought out to the masses. If VJs (and others songs) are being appreciated 25 years after their release, it has to do with VOICE and its power to leave an imprint in ones memory forever.
  These days it is very difficult to immediately identify the singing voice (never mind the words!) and most of the singing is so unremarkable, it does not leave you with a feeling of having been touched by brilliance and artistry. Only ambience an ambience of disappointment lingers, usually. Sad for all concerned.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.232) on: Sun Sep 15 01:51:40 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz/C V/Neel- thanks for the responses.
  
  Naaz/ C V-
  
  Regarding the 'poetry'- how I wish those verses were my own!! My other passion, apart from tfm, is English poetry. And whenever I can recollect some verse which matches the situation of the song under discussion, I quote a few lines. That's all.
  
  If you are interested, the lines I thought appropriate for 'Kunguma kolangal kovil kondaada' are from 'Evangeline- A Tale Of Acadie' by H W Longfellow.(A wonderful work!). The lines I selected for 'Nee Punniam Seithaval thozhi' are from 'To a childless woman' by Siegfried Sassoon.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.166) on: Sun Sep 15 02:18:13 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz-
  
  -Digression-
  
  I finally got the name of the film I was thinking of - N Shah, Shabana and FS- it was called 'Ek Pal'-if I remember right. It too was a bold film on adultery, wherein Shabana reveals to her husband N Shah, when he is overjoyed on hearing that she is in the family way, that the child is not his, but FS's.
  
  Yes, now I remember 'Ek baar phir' also. Btw, doesn't the song go 'Yeh paude yeh paththe'? Yes, a lovely song.
  
  I have seen 'Yeh Nazdeekiyaan' too. But don't remember NS in it. I recall only Marc Zuber, Shabana and Parveen Babi, who played the 'other woman' with class. The title song 'Yeh nazdeekiyaan' is haunting. Did NS have a guest role in it?
  
  The Sanjeev-Sharmila-Sarika film was a superb, brutally honest film. Sarika was great as Sanjeev's secretary who develops a relationship with her boss.
  How the fragile this relationship is,was brought out tellingly- for instance, one likes tea, whereas the other must have coffee.
  Sanjeev goes to the extent of confessing to Sarika that he suffers from body odour!!
  
  Those were years when the so called 'Parallel cinema' was growing steadily.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.235) on: Sun Sep 15 02:39:18 EDT 2002
  
  Neel- I feel you must definitely listen to 'Nee Punniyam seithaval thozhi'- a song of dignified, hushed suffering- no weeping and sobbing here! VJ excelled in such numbers. Listen to the lines 'Adi ennuyir paavai, ennokkoru thevai, adhayum nee tharuvaai'- lines indicating the future happenings- Fadafat J dies at childbirth and Sripriya takes the baby.
  
  C V- 'Vaangadi chittukkala' is definitely from Pattina Pravesam- Meera sings it in the film.
  Thanks for the info on Thanjaivaanan. It was he who wrote the famous 'Chatrapathi Shivaji' drama for Sivaji.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.166) on: Sun Sep 15 02:56:44 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz: 'Madhura Geetham' was Chandraboses's first film as MD. In the next year, 1978, he composed music for films like Machanai paartheengala and Mangudi Minor. Tharayil vaazhum meengal came later, in 1981.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Sep 15 10:05:07 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan
  
  I dont think Tanjai vanan did CS.It was a drama called "Tippu Sultan" which was to feature Sivaji.Correct me!BTW what memeory pills do your prescribe for my son?
  
  AOK-Incidentally in 1977 i went for a eye-checkup and when doctor said i have to wear spectacles i was jubiliant.No prizes for guessing i bought a frame ala Sivaji s -AOK-frame.
  
  Somehow i get mixed up with "Senthamzhil oru paatu ezhuthi" and "Oorayiram Thiruvasagam".
  
  
  Sure,by 1977 MSV was in the picture.In fact he was very much there till 1982-83.Is Andhaman Kadhali following?
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Sep 15 10:12:11 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan -
  Full Marks! Ek Pal it was. The film was directed by Kalpana Lajmi (Did she do Lajja and Rudali?)The music for the film was Bhupen Hazarika. Ek Pal had a unique and haunting Lata Solo (picturised when Shabana is contemplating what to do with the other man's child she is carrying. Of course, NS, the husband, is away on work for a few months when all this "affair" stuff happens.) Yeh Nazdikiyan (also had a song starting as "Ek Daur Woh Bhi Tha" by AP - and the title song by AB was another fine number) did not have NS - and you are right. PB was the "other" woman in it. The song does begin with "Yeh Paude," in Ek Baar Phir. (Missing the Trees for the Leaves? :-))
  I am still to see a film of Sarika's in which she was as good as she was in Griha Pravesh. I guess, that another such film for her is now out of the question. She was amazing in that film. I thought she stole the scenes from right under ST, SKs veteran noses!
  
  Too bad this isn't a forum to talk about India's "parallel" cinema, which these days, unfortunately, is also India's "paralysed" cinema. Maybe, we should correspond through email about the Ankur and Hamsa Geethe days!
  
  Thanks for the Chandrabose debut film detail. Machchanai Partheengala - who can ever forget "Maampoovae, Sirumainavae?"
  
  
  
  
  

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