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Politeness and this forum

Topic started by Ramki (@ cs101.cs.wmich.edu) on Fri Oct 30 21:41:00 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

They look like antonyms to me.THe forum,which had once been a playground of fun filled people,happniess,joy is now reduced to hatred,personal and verbal attacks.The attitude of certain people has literally driven some of our regulars here.Where are we heading to?If this trend continues i dont think this forum will be ever used for the main purpose it was created. We are here to talk about music,varieties of music,its creators,irrespective of who it is ,listeners.This forum is accessed and read throughout the world. SHouldnt we,people who come from prestigious universities,who are woring in respectable positions,show minimal politeness in
what we speak and what we write.But whats happening here is worse than 'kuzhaiyadi sandai'.I really feel ashamed and hurt to see this. SOme of us are really brutal.I dont want to cite examples,wait what the heck,once a srikanth had posted that he wanted to cut the throat of SUresh peters.I was shocked and was very sad to read that.You need not have to give respect for his talent but atleast he deserves some respect as a human being.WHat if suresh peter also reads the forum??Wouldnt he be hurt?If you dont like
an artist,keep it to yourself or say it diplomatically. We are not barbarians,we are all educated,talented human beings.Let us not slay each other with words.
Stop comparing people.Stop comapiring their works.
If you cant ,sorry to say,but stop coming here.

Ravi sorry for creating a melodramatic thread,but by the look of things here i guess you might even consider putting this thread in permanent section:)

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Responses:

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• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 01:07:50 EST 1999
  
  Vijay,
  Contrary to popular perception, we, the FCC members , are among the politest posters. It is just that we are firm in our preference for our IRaivan:). Oh, let me add, certainly SPM is not a membr of FCC...just to put the FCC in proper perspective.
  In the past, people like srikant , in the garb of attacking HCIRF attacked IR. I found it totally unobjective and unjustified. As you say, he is nowhere to be seen nowadays. But I had been sifting through the archives and naturally, Srikant's various statements boiled my blood. Hence, the reaction. Okay, let me withdraw my references to him here with due apologies.
  Secondly, I want to mention that the "middle-men"(Nadu nilai nayagargalai thaan ippadi angilakkam seidhullen!)of this forum failed to impress me with their supposed objectivity.
  As srinath has pointed out time and again, they have this annoying habit of blaming HCIRF's for every kudumi-pidi sandai. On top of it, they claim to be objective, impartial etc. , which,to me was a wee bit too thick.
  And when someone as objective as srinath points out this deficiency in them, they claim that he is merely taking up the cudgels for HCIRF and pooh-pooh away his logical arguments.
  Yesterday, i sifted throught the archives, and this is the impression I got. Tilll date, I have not seen any of these so-called objective posters responding in a logical manner to srinath's invitation to have a "purely musical discussion" on the merits and demerits of either MD.(I may be mistaken here).
  
  I am in particular awe of the person, who all along took up cudgels for "Poor Arr fans, because this IRPC was bashing up any innocent arr fan". This person later went on to decline srinath's invitation to participate in the "Stranger in the mirror" thread, which was supposed to be a proper, decent thread, by intention and definiton. So much for his/her objectivity.
  
  So, to me, it is not just a question of politeness but also objectiveness. On either count, I would rate srinath as the top-contributor in this forum. I have been meaning to express this for long and just used this opportunity.
  Sorry for using this space to express my personal views.
  TFM-makkale, please delete this if it offends anyone..(Certainly, srinath wont complain, I think:))
  
  
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.254) on: Fri Jan 29 01:53:58 EST 1999
  
  Please read the posting of SPM in ARR is smarter thread...U come to know of what value this thread is
  
  
• From: bb (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 29 02:45:19 EST 1999
  
  looks like there is no use of reviving this thread. i was about to post when i saw this posting in the IR copy aditha paadalgaL thread, by you know who:
  You indians always like to lie.This topic is nonsense.Dei thirundunga dah.IR udayeh pee sapidal kudah unnggalukku puthi varadhu.You all mudhals.If god himself said that IR copy music i do not believe that because that is no true.This topic is useless.
  please, one can be a little more cultured than this. may be the forum is taken too much for granted.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-95.il.us.ibm.net) on: Fri Jan 29 09:32:06 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  After seeing my name in most posting,
  first of all Thanks for remembering me (and my postings) Raj I agree many statements of mine made to people boil, someone has to be on the other side to make things interesting.
  
  Anyway, I am not a Raja basher as you think, I respect Raja for his talent, but at times people go crazy here, like Raja the great lyric writer etc or too much, This also makes my blood boil.
  Off late you dont see me here, i wander here but I do not post as nothing worth while is happening here.
  BTW: Desiyageetham has couple of songs, which are really good.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-95.il.us.ibm.net) on: Fri Jan 29 09:36:06 EST 1999
  
  Raj,
  Also as you mentioned,my postings are so good as Srinath's, I agree my english is not upto mark, I should have attended Mr.Periyasawamy's class (my english teacher in MCC), I am a mra tamizan
  
  Hope there is browser that supports tamil - I can make things more clear, I cant match Srinath, Srinath good work Buddy!
  
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-95.il.us.ibm.net) on: Fri Jan 29 09:36:52 EST 1999
  
  Raj : correction:my postings are not as good as srinath
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:41:20 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth,
  Oh! I dont want to convey the impression that I dont respect you for what you are.Sure, I have been to your site and man, how many hours of sheer enjoyment you have given me with all those raja classics! There is no way I'll mistake you for a raja-basher. All the same, when youa ttack HCIRF's , you also inadvertently end up making controversial statements on IR, which pains IR-fans like me. So, I differ with you on the method you used to bash IR-worshippers. There is no doubt , your presence on the other side made the discussions really interesting... certainly, your vast knowledge has enlightened us on various occasions.
  I was just referring you as an example of misplaced objectivity.
  Finally, apologies if I have said anything to offend you. I never intended to.Yeah!We miss you here. That was why I was asking srinath "where is srikanth?" :)
  
  
  I liked "NaaN Vaakapatta" from DG immensely. I haven't heard any other song from the movie.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:49:19 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth!
  Aiyo! I wont say your postings are as good as srinath. Your musical knowledge is so vast and a hopeless pamaran in music like me cannot think of commenting on your postings in that respect.
  OTOH, I must say that you are not as balanced as srinath, who never lost his temper, even on utmost provocation.That was what I meant.
  As for English, please forgive me if I gave the impression that I was commenting on your English. Infact, I have clearly mentioned that "English should not be a criterion for people participating in the discussions" in that same posting. What I meant was that in addition to his logical arguments and cool temper, srinath also expresses himself excellently. I'll explain in a way you'll understand easily :
  Suppose I say, "IR is good in beautiful tunes and great melodies", would that mean "MSV was not good" ?
  Athe maathiri thaanithuvum- thayavu senju thapppa eduthukkatheenga! Adiyenin pizhaigalai mannithu aruluga!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:52:28 EST 1999
  
  Again typo.
  Read
  "Aiyo! I wont say your postings are as good as
  srinath. "
  as
  "Aiyo! I will NEVER say that your postings are NOT as good as srinath. "
  Oru "(K)not"-ai miss panninadhula ,
  Meaning-e maari pochu!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:52:47 EST 1999
  
  Again typo.
  Read
  "Aiyo! I wont say your postings are as good as
  srinath. "
  as
  "Aiyo! I will NEVER say that your postings are NOT as good as srinath. "
  Oru "(K)not"-ai miss panninadhula ,
  Meaning-e maari pochu!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:52:54 EST 1999
  
  Again typo.
  Read
  "Aiyo! I wont say your postings are as good as
  srinath. "
  as
  "Aiyo! I will NEVER say that your postings are NOT as good as srinath. "
  Oru "(K)not"-ai miss panninadhula ,
  Meaning-e maari pochu!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:55:43 EST 1999
  
  Oh! Iam sorry, today all my posts are getting duplicated..ethanaalanu puriyala!Naan oru vatti thaan post pandren.
  Sari, "naan rendu thadavai sonna , oru dhadavai sonna maadhiri" ninaithu kondu maranthu vidungal!
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss08.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Jan 29 12:58:27 EST 1999
  
  Just to set the record straight...
  
  It is not true that I have never lost my temper in the forum. If my memory serves me right, I have been guilty of rash postings on atleast 2 occassions. The first time was when Udhaya and Srikanth appeared to give credence to GA in the 'GA interview' thread. That was born out of a genuine feeling of betrayal, though I wouldn't stoop low enough to justify my acerbic remarks ! The second instance was when Shanmugam Murugappan started posting regularly in the TFM-DF. After a prolonged, but level-headed argument, I lost my temper when I thought SM missed the point completely and posted contrary to whatever we were discussing at the time. On both occassions, due apologies were tendered, and more importantly accepted.
  
  Ah ! it's all coming back to me now...:-) the third occassion, and probably the only one I would bother defending, was right here in this thread. Murali Shankar was the 'victim' of my indiscretion ! But I toned my posting that way deliberately and tried my darndest best to convince everyone. But I doubt I fully succeeded :-)
  
  For those whose pride I may have hurt and forgotten to mention here, it must have either been too trivial for me to remember or I must have been sincere at that time. So while, I wouldn't like to apologise for something that I may not have done, I would still like to reassert the fact that I consider every participant and his/her posting to be of equal importance to me, and any opposing ideas that I presented were purely made in the spirit of a fair discussion with no judgements on your personalities.
  
  I generally read every posting of mine three or four times to correct it for spelling, grammar or connotation before actually submitting it. Very often I turn to www.dictionary.com to verify the spelling of words that I know how to use, but would like to make sure all the same. In fact, to be perfectly honest, I did look up the meaning of 'connotation' to make sure that I was using it in the right context. This does not mean that I have to refer to a dictionary every time I want to write something. I usually know the right terms, but am very sensitive to goof-ups and hence make doubly sure !
  
  So, I am not a superman after all, but just extra-cautious ! I wouldn't deny though, a definite love for the language, which I have had from very early in life. In fact, my first serious ambition in life was to do doctoral studies in English ! Well, I guess I am still working with 'languages' :-)
  
  As for the person who refused my invitation to participate in the "Stranger in the Mirror" thread, it is none other than Udhaya Kulandaivelu. IMO, Udhaya is far from being irrational or unfair. When the "Stranger in the Mirror" thread progressed and I made my fairness obvious, Udhaya personally emailed me and extended a warm welcome to the DF where he has spent more time and effort and contributed far more than all of us discussiong him here.
  
  While writing this, the last posting was from Raj - "From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 09:55:43 EST 1999", so if I have duplicated any sentiments thrown in meanwhile, please ignore the repetition.
  
  Raj:
  While I am exhilarated by your praises, I would request you to tone them down, just a wee bit - lest it put me in awe of myself and lead me to believe in more than what I know to be true :-)
  
  I hope the others will understand my reluctance to argue with someone who is praising me to the skies ! For those who find the concept of the FCC obnoxious, I would like to reassure you that where I can I will try to prevent segregation of any kind. The last thing I want to do is to involve myself in a mutual-admiration group and thereby miss the sting of caffeine that runs faster and more potently through my nerves when arguing with someone who is trying his/her best to prove me wrong ! In other words, the FCC is the entire DF - what else are we doing here ? Surely not planning to change the course of the world !
  
  Raj, if not for the contrary opinions, you would not have had the opportunity to see my so-called wonderful postings at all ! So I think as much thanks is due to all the participants in the DF as you have accredited to me ! What says you ? :-)
  
  
• From: Raj (@ hydrec2.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Jan 29 13:43:01 EST 1999
  
  Point taken. Oh!Yes!I went through the threads showing your flip side. Okay, You are not superman, afterall:)Again, my point was not against contrary opinions..I am sure you might have seen that I am not against the posters of contrary opinions all along without me having to explain. It was against one-sided judgement.Have I ever berated anyone for opining contrastingly from me? If you find me echoing sentiments that you HAD been feeling not long ago , you must remember that I caught up with all the threads only recently(as recent as yesterday!) . So, you must realise that Iam in the same state now as you were then. I am certainly not for segregation into IR,ARR and NEUTRAL camps. I dont know what made you think so. What I had been urging you was to provide more of the Deva-bashing, ARR-baiting brew, in the spirit of pure fun. I am sure that this can be done without offending anyone's sensibilities.Why, tahts what youhavebeen doing in the past. I mean, you have stated yourself that you prefer some spice in the form of bashing and counter-bashing(this need not necessarily mean calling names and personal attacks).
  I think I have always been careful not to go against logic anywhere in my postings in this forum. Atleast, I think so. Besides, I haven't lost my temper so far , and I dont think I will ever ,either. So, when I found that you emobodied all that I considered sacred about writing(including English,- I,too, have had an insatiable love for the English Language from early in my life time), I thought I must express my admiration for you. Even then, I have been keeping this admiration to myself for a long time now. Only when this discussion about postings began did I open my mouth. Certainly, i dont deny the part of other DF-ers in contributing to the wonderful discussions all around . I think I have been lax in expressing this admiration for others, that has led you to think that I have not been giving due credit to others. So, let me state clearly :
  
  This DF is one of the most stimulating, decent and enjoyable forums I have seen.(Kaathai kitta konduvaanga- naan vera entha DF-aium paarthathu illai:)). Credit is due to all : I remember fondly the discussions involving Srikanth, srinath, vijay, Udhaya, Nithin, Suresh, Rajaraman, NOV, NCRamakrishna, Ramki, Shankar, Dev, SM, CRAM, cp, gp, AM ,Kanchana, not to forget Bones and numerous others, whose names,if I mention will flood this thread.So, even though I havent named them, my regard for them is no less.. Of all, I admire srinath just that trifle more. Hence the previous postings praising him . I realise that in doing so, I have missed out unjustly on showering due credit on others. I hope I have set that right here.
  
  My apologies to Mr.Udaya, against whom ,it turns out , I have made an unjustified charge of not responding to srinath's overtures of peace. But then I had no means of knowing about his personal mails to srinath, did I?:). My sincere apologies to him. I have also seen his wonderful discussions in the "Songs discussion" and various other threads. I am really sorry I pre-judged him without basis. Aptly does Sherlock Holmes say "It is a capital mistake to theorize without facts".
  My sicnere apologies to you,Udhaya sir.I have started a discussion about "Azhagiya Kannae.." in that thread. I would be feel greatly honoured and relieved if you would forgive my indiscreet comment on you and post your views there.
  
  While that ends my "Self-explanation" session, I would end on the note that in addition to serious, stimulating discussions as the songs discussion, I wish srinath continues to serve us our coffee !
  No offence to anyone.
  Peace be to all!
  
  

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