Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

Why are Ilayaraaja's beats so monotonous and boring?

Topic started by Anbey Sivam (@ 203.106.70.85) on Wed Feb 5 09:10:12 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

A little knowledgeable fan of music will easily identify the subsequent beats of any IR song after the first few words. His beats are the most boring and routine.

Frankly it is most amazing that his songs appeal to some people, given the monotony and non-imaginative nature of his songs.

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: naaaaaaaaaaaaan sense (@ 65.176.168.55) on: Sat Feb 8 15:39:31 EST 2003
  
  In the first around 400 films, 80% of the songs of IR were with different original beats, so who is this ignorant author of this thread.
  
  close this one also, i say ;;--)
  
  
• From: Vaseegara (@ 203.106.185.60) on: Sun Feb 9 05:56:21 EST 2003
  
  Of course, this thread should be closed.
  Ilayaraja should not be revealed and his weaknesses should never be publicised.
  
  Frankly guys, IR is a very mediocre musician who used shrewdness and cunningness to rein for a while.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.101) on: Sun Feb 9 08:38:33 EST 2003
  
  
  I was just passing by and noticed this thread and I agree. I'm not Indian and am not an expert on Tamil music but I've listened to quite a few songs and am a fan of SOME of it. A.R. Rahman and Deva are usually quite good, but Ilayaraaja I avoid, exactly becasue I find his stuff boring with popish pretensions, and wonder why he seems so popular. JMO
  
  
  
• From: N Rajkumar (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Sun Feb 9 10:03:26 EST 2003
  
  Hi Guys, IR has been giving some quality music for quality film. latest is Julie Ganapathy, i heard this Ennakku Piditha Padal sung by Vijay Yesudas / Sheraya Gowsal. Tunes is melodius. Raja realy gave a good melody for all the songs?
  OUTSIDER Ilaiyaraja's music is very different from others. His music fits exactly the movies, he gives that the director wamnts for the situation not like others. Other music director score's music and driector fits them into movie. If you watch the movie, you'll love his scores and background music. SETHU, KASI, SOLLA MARANTHA KATHAI, AZHAGI, FRIENDS, EN MANA VAANIL, RAMANA are some example of movies
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.97) on: Sun Feb 9 10:15:45 EST 2003
  
  
  
  
  Ok, I managed to track down some of the IR songs that previous posters mentioned and will now give my expert opinion :) Some of the songs were decent and had some good beats or melodies starting to happen, but he always manages to put some cutsey cheesiness in his tunes. I do not like cheese in my music.
  
  Let me illustrate an IR song:
  
  
  bop-a-da-bop dee-da ... Lalalalalalalalala
  bop-a-da-bop dee-da ... Lalalalalalalalala
  
  .. CHEESE!!! ....
  
  bop-a-da-bop dee-da ... Lalalalalalalalala
  bop-a-da-bop dee-da ... Lalalalalalalalala
  
  
  But some of the songs were already cheesy to begin with and occassionally adds something interesting, like this:
  
  
  cheesy-cheese-chez-cheese
  cheesy-cheese-chez-cheese
  
  - Hey this is sorta interesting ..
  - I like this part .. but wait ..
  - here comes the cheese again!
  
  cheesy-cheese-chez-cheese
  cheesy-cheese-chez-cheese
  
  
  Once again, based soley on hearing the music and on my own ears, it's just my opinion.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Sun Feb 9 23:45:35 EST 2003
  
  Outsider,
  
  You can always leave out the cheese if you want. But there's butter, jello, marmalade spread and many other interesting stuff. And like what Rajkumar says, his music fits the movies exactly and he gives the director what he/she wants for the situation. He doesn't over do it nor does he want to impress for any commercial reasons like all the rest have been doing endlessly.
  
  What you've listened to is just a tiny drop. There is a sea of wealth over there. You have to know and remember that this guy does not go for publicity gimmicks nor does he pull something suddenly and get close by to some high level directors or actors. He's a professional and he's a cool one at that.
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.110.230) on: Mon Feb 10 00:35:28 EST 2003
  
  IRs BACKGROUND MUSIC IS TOO GOOD IN RAMANA ...BUT OUTDATED....HE IS STRICTLY STICKING TO HIS 80S STYLE AND NOT AT ALL TRYING TO GO FOR SOPHISTICATED LATEST INSTRUMENTS....HE IS STOPPING THE GROWTH OF MUSIC PRESENTATION...AND EVEN TAKING IT BACK ....WHICH IS NOT HEALTHY FOR THE MUSIC WORLD..MANY TIMES HE CHANGED HIS PRESENTATION TO SOPHISTICATION ..LIKE IN KADHAL KAVYAM\(prashant, agastiyan)...BUT NOT ALWAYS...
  U SEE ANBESIVAM MOVIE ...HOW SOPHISTICATED INSTRUMENTS VS HAS USED....WHY DONT IR LIKE LATEST HIFI INSTUMENTS ?? :(
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.97) on: Mon Feb 10 03:53:22 EST 2003
  
  
  Ambleen. Yes I understand that IR cuts his music to fit the movie. But I think that may be part of the problem. For instance, I was listening to an older IR song called Mani Osai, it was a pleasant melody, but then the lead singer starts *COUGHING* half way through the song and then it changes to some donkey jack-ass cheese music and then back to the singer coughing through the rest of the song. WTF?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Vaseegara (@ 210.186.61.149) on: Mon Feb 10 08:30:18 EST 2003
  
  who wrote that piece for ambleen?
  not a single rude word!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Mon Feb 10 23:31:16 EST 2003
  
  I take that as a compliment. Well, I don't take no crap from crabs here. They give me a Prince Naseem and I give them back a Tyson or Holyfield killer.
  
  When you get hit, some show their other cheek. But I give them my fist. We don't live in biblical days anymore especially when moron rats are on the loose.
  :)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Mon Feb 10 23:41:17 EST 2003
  
  Outsider,
  
  Like I hinted before, if you've already noticed it and don't like it then stop that coughing when there are million others(IR songs) to soothe that cough.
  
  
• From: Isai Arasan (@ 4.37.102.100) on: Mon Feb 10 23:54:47 EST 2003
  
  donkeys never know the camphor smell.. this is the best description for those fools don't like
  isaignani's music....
  
  
• From: ambleen's ponmozhigal (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Feb 11 00:07:38 EST 2003
  
  These nutsouls can't accept the fact of this topic.
  They've resorted to doing what they normally do best.
  Rombba kasukkutha? paavam. :)
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.97) on: Tue Feb 11 03:36:22 EST 2003
  
  
  
  Oh very well
  
  listen:
  
  http://www.raaga.com/getclip.asp?id=999999001980
  
  
  It's a very pleasant melody, yes? But listen longer.
  
  Now tell me, what sort of donkey cheese god would write such a song?
  
  
  
• From: vardhini (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Tue Feb 11 12:15:11 EST 2003
  
  Folks,
  I happened to listen to one song from film Sethu today. Iam hearing it for the first time and the
  rythm or beat of this song is real good and different.
  The song is : Sikhada Sittondru
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Tue Feb 11 15:56:07 EST 2003
  
  outsider.
  
  two suggestions:
  
  1. what that song in the movie
  2. imagine yourself as a person dying of cancer (vomitting blood etc..) and singing that song.
  
  now does that make sense to you?
  
  (Dont ask me why would a dying person sing -- that qn goes to the director and not to the MD)
  
  That song is one of the best in that movie. Nice tune with pleasant tabla beat and ofcourse a great performance by SPB (he is a good actor too, you know)
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Tue Feb 11 15:56:57 EST 2003
  
  correction
  
  what that song === watch that song
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.249) on: Tue Feb 11 19:46:09 EST 2003
  
  outsider, your bit on Maniosai Kettu turned me on. Yes I do find that coughing bit irritating. IR has also done this in:
  
  1. Vaaraayo Unakke Saran- Mano coughs in the last pallavi
  2. Uyire Uyire Urugathe- Yesudas coughs at the end of the 1st charanam
  3. Naanthaanda Ippo Devadas- SPB coughs at the end of the 1st 2 lines of the 2nd charanam
  4. Dharisanam Kidhaikkyatha- S Janaki coughs after 'Kannaa'
  
  Then, there's that infamous 'Paasam... prema paasam..' by Gangai Amaran in the film Prema Paasam which has SPB coughing in quite a dramatic way.
  
  Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation, having such a good ear for minute details of songs... :-)
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.249) on: Tue Feb 11 20:22:29 EST 2003
  
  btw, X, you'd know, what is the situation that leads up to 'Mani Osai Kettu'? Could we get some details that go beyond the song itself, into the film please? For one that has not seen Payanangal Mudhivathillai such as myself, any foreign sound in a song is disturbing. I'm just itching with curiosity.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.124.0.248) on: Wed Feb 12 05:31:42 EST 2003
  
  X, Maniosai cough is legendary. SPB must have 'practiced' a lot for that. At the peak of the cough, Janaki pickup the tune, my god that gives a great soothing feeling to the song. SPB is not only a good singer but a great singer to the film situation, he is the person who pioneered songs with laugh, dialogues(I like chipi erukkuthu song- SPB says "beautiful"), crying, adaptation to singer style (eg. Rakkamma kaiya thattu - Rajini style "Indrikkum"), we can list so many of situational songs for IR/SPB kootani.
  
  
• From: Sivam (@ 161.44.179.132) on: Wed Feb 12 16:07:15 EST 2003
  
  Man people some capacity you'll got, the same topic in so many different versions. IR fans blasting ARR and ARR fans blasting IR.
  
  For God's sake STOP IT.
  
  
• From: msk (@ 67.68.69.204) on: Wed Feb 12 18:53:07 EST 2003
  
  geethavanni song from which movie?????please
  i know karthik movie but i don't know the film
  music by IR sung by spb
  
  please any one know moive??????
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.159) on: Wed Feb 12 19:59:20 EST 2003
  
  My sentiments exactly, Sivam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.63) on: Thu Feb 13 21:12:11 EST 2003
  
  Well????? What's the situation for the song, X???? Is it 'Mike' Mohan on his deathbed at the climax????
  
  Anyway, I was very flattered when Outsider shed light on this, I must say. I was afraid that I was the only DFer with an ear for coughing. (Boy, then would my user-name really have served its purpose!) Honestly, I didn't think ANYONE would have shed light on this subject, and I'd have to do it all myself. Anyhow, sorry for such a digression. After all, the title of this thread isn't 'Singers Coughing in Songs'. :-)))
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.181.9.85) on: Fri Feb 14 17:02:33 EST 2003
  
  While I was on a nostalgic trip today, I happened to listening to a song from 'Kadhalan' called 'Eraani Kurathaani Gobala'. This is relevant to this thread, the beats are very impressionistic, reflective of ARR's early days. The instrument appears to be 'Tabla'. Does anyone know who played the tabla for this song??
  
  Also another doubt, is the reason for IR's reluctance to use natural percussion instruments due to the lack of good percussionists, now that most of the rhythm can be computer programmed. So who are the prominent percussionists available for film music these days comparable to Shivamani (another impressionist).
  
  While part of my opinions maybe disguised to be provocative, please clarify my doubts.
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments