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An encounter with IR

Topic started by Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com) on Tue Dec 15 12:05:24 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Guys,
I was able to have a tete-de-tete with IR at prasad studios.My cousin plays tabla for him.I sneaked with him to the studio and had a 30 mins talk with IR.The topics ranged from GURU to the current trends.
A mention of GURU really brightnend his eyes and IR told me that they did'nt market it alright.
They spent 25 days for re-recording and it was a herculean task.
I also brought in TFM to his knowledge and he seems to be aware of this forum ,"Kelvi pattuiruken".
I told him about the BGM project and following was his reaction in tamil ."Pannalam.Aanal orginal tracks thedi pedikunum".Nalla project".I also asked opinions with sadanand(music director sudarshan's son) ,who is IR's lead guitarist for 20 years.He liked the idea but was wary of copyright problems.
I just came back from chennai after a 2 month vacation.
The BGM project is really exciting.We have to contact individual production companies for the soundtracks.I gave it a shot with raj kamal but could'nt get hold of Kamal.Somebody will have to do the leg work at chennai .we can really pull it off.

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Responses:

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• From: SRK (@ icache-3.doit.wisc.edu) on: Wed Sep 8 14:31:58 EDT 1999
  
  RB: Did IR himself tell you that he had refused Hey Ram? I don't believe that otherwise.
  
  
• From: RB (@ 129.130.133.15) on: Wed Sep 8 14:52:44 EDT 1999
  
  Hey guys,
  I am also with you all in being disappointed.
  What I am trying to say is nobody knows the actual reason.Still I feel that whatever information I got is not 100% correct.
  How can you say that IR refused "hey Ram" cos it was ant-Gandhi?
  How can you say that he refused mani ratnam's movie?
  Ellaaam appadi eppadi kethaaaa?
  How can you say it true?
  I don't think anybody is certain of all these facts.Only IR and the sambanthapatta people only knows.So i feel that all these facts are just pure guesses.
  I never brought up ARR in this issue.
  Yennappa ARR ellaaam ezhuthu vidareeenga.I never mentioned any of the MD's thiruvilayadalagal.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Wed Sep 8 15:03:03 EDT 1999
  
  RB :
  The 'thAnAga varuvadhu, varavazhaippadhu' reference by IR is towards ARR. He has said something like this before too : 'keyboard-il utkArndhu konjam konjamAga yAr vENdumANalum compose seyyalAm'. IR does not have the guts to mention ARR directly - only sideswipes. If asked directly he says something inspid and non-controversial.
  
  About these news, that is exactly the point : where do all these rumours originate ? Karthik Raja has mentioned in an interview that MR approached IR for iruvar and IR turned him down. About Hey Ram there WAS a news item in Kumudam.
  
  
• From: V. Balaji (@ webproxy04qfe0.sbi.com) on: Wed Sep 8 15:18:17 EDT 1999
  
  Though one cannot authenticate the rumours of IR not accpeting any of the above films, there is one fact that few can hardly dispute (except for some hard-core IR fanatics).
  
  IR's music in recent films (except some excpetion) sucks; period.
  
  Being an ardent fan of IR since I started listening to music from elementary school, it is really causing pain.
  
  V. Balaji
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ mail.startec.net) on: Wed Sep 8 15:45:40 EDT 1999
  
  I am listening to "Idhayam Oru Koil" and am loving every moment of it ! I hope you guys will get the hint. Appapapappa SJ humming..naan varen !
  
  
• From: Swami (@ nat135022.ericy.com) on: Wed Sep 8 18:18:55 EDT 1999
  
  Makkale,
  
  
  
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    I'm not worthy enough to comment on a great creator/composer like IR. Naan enna arivu jeeviya.. medhaviya (pesuvar pesuvar....thootruvaar thootruvaar)
    
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    'konthalippu' engira peyaril I can't write whatever I feel like and attack him in marai mugam.
    
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    Just because he gives songs one personally doesn't like, I just can't question his music.
    
  
  He's done enough, let's cherish in those and stop making crappy statements about a genius whom we should be proud about for the rest of our lives.
  
  Mr.Srinath, neenga "idhayam oru koovil" endral, naan inga "kodiyile malligai poo".....adda ithu pothum appa ennaku.
  
  :)Swami:(
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.24.26) on: Wed Sep 8 21:01:04 EDT 1999
  
  Swami,
  the pont is most HCIRF fans here including me, dont like the new IR songs. Its not like or dislikes of any particular individual. Even technically, IR has not done anything new according to knowledgable people here like srikanth,shashi etc. So if he has'nt pleased the masses, if he has'nt pleased the conoisseur, who has he pleased?
  
  We have only idhayam oru kovils and mouna raagams to listen here. I feel as someone else has said that IR take up non-filmi stuff where he can freely experiment whatever he wants. If he continues at this rate people would remember him more for the junk that he is churning out now rather than for the gems that he was giving us for 15 years.
  Again, if someone asks who am i to tell all this, this is just my opinion. Iam not saying that IR should do this or that. its left to him. but as a fan this is what i feel.
  
  also the fact that he can give albums like guru, man of the match etc. in mallu shows that it is sheer lack of interest/enthu that makes him not give good albums in tamil. one gets the feeling that he is taking up assignments in tamil merely to help himself out of the financial crisis that he is in and not because of real interest in composing music. he comes up with gems now and then but these are few and far less than the trash that he has produced in the last 3 years.
  
  the gems to junks ratio has gone down drastically in the last 3 years.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.24.26) on: Wed Sep 8 21:01:51 EDT 1999
  
  Pl. read 'pont' in the first line as point
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed Sep 8 22:11:09 EDT 1999
  
  vijay,
  
  let's not talk about "technically"-s here. just because few frustrated fans pissoff other fans by using ceratin types of arguments to either showoff or shut up doesn't mean the "technically"s are absent. srikanth, sashi (and mr.k!!) are not even a handful but there are innumerable conneisseurs out there whose view this DFaudience doesn't know. moreover, srikanth, sashi and mr.k and their likes were more irritated at raja fans than raja's music.
  
  let me end this digression with a famous quotations: thAngalada sAmi. :-))
  
  un nilamai konjam iRangi vandhAl nizhalum kUda midhikkum!! :-(
  
  
• From: RB (@ 129.130.133.35) on: Thu Sep 9 09:55:38 EDT 1999
  
  Hey guys,
  Seri vidungappa.
  If you guys want to have a look at his latest pictures please do visit my homepage.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 9 17:34:14 EDT 1999
  
  Guys,
  The problem with IR's mediocre score in recent times is lack of input from his directors and lack of good directors approaching him for music. Take for e.g KM, with Fazil he was able to bring out the best possible music any MD can even think of composing. In KK again, he brought some great songs with Agathiyan. So, the problem is not with IR. Its rather with the industry shying away from him because of anti-IR media hype created by his own ex-directors like KB, MR, BR, et al. Why did BR turn away from IR. They lived, struggled and grew together in the Film Industry. IR gave his best ever performance for BR. Till date, BR could not come out with any reason why he is shying away from his old friend/Isai Thozhan( as he says in Mudhal Mariyathai's Introduction).
  
  The reason is purely commercial in nature. The advent of ARR, kindled catchy junk western/Indian music (recycled, rearranged, copied, stolen, etc) when people really wanted some change after 15 years of IR's music. All the directors went after ARR just for commercial reasons and not for anything else.
  
  The reasons given earlier for MD's and producers not liking IR were that he demanded lot of money, demanded a share of the cassette/CD sales, etc. How much can you think he was demanding for a movie, may be max Rs 10 lakhs and as copyright may be another Rs 5 lakhs. But now the same directors and producers are chasing ARR for Rs 1 Crore and for what???. Mediocre scores (e.g, Padayappa, EnSwasakaatre, Ratshagan, Lover's Day, and many more recent films).
  
  This trend will change only if directors and producers become interested in presenting the best quality product to the people rather than the most glossy one.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 9 17:56:31 EDT 1999
  
  <<>> should read as
  'The reasons given earlier for Directors and producers'
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Sep 9 17:57:50 EDT 1999
  
  oops...
  "The reasons given earlier for MD's and producers"
  should read as
  
  "The reasons given earlier for Directors and producers"
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Fri Sep 10 08:22:09 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai :
  If padaiyappA, en swAsak kAtRE etc are mediocre scores, what about rAjasthan, thodarum, thalaimurai, gummippAttu, bharaNi and countless other c**p from rAjA ? Don't blame the directors - everybody knows what type of movies r.k.selvamani and kasthuri raja make. Why is he doing these films ? rAjA is the only person who has problems with everybody in the industry : maNi rathnam, balachander, bharathyraja, bhagyaraj, rajnikanth, kamalhaasan. No director/hero wants to work with him. Who is to blame ?
  Cinema is an business - nobody is doing anybody a favour. Everybody wants to make money - including our esteemed rAjA. Everybody backs a winning horse. And those horses are arr and dEvA - whether we like or not. rAjA after being ignored for a long time had a megahit in kAdhalukku mariyAdhai. Most importantly youngsters - a whole new generation - were listening to rAjA. ennai thAlAtta varuvALo was the rage in campuses. And what does rAjA do - back to scoring junk movies like the ones I mentioned above.
  No point blaming directors, great-conspiracy-in-film-industry. rAjA is squarely to blame. If he can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
  
  PS : bharathirAjA broke with rAjA before arr's advent. mani ratham broke up with rAjA and bcos of that arr entered TFM. balachander was pissed off with raja after pudhu pudhu arthangaL. r.sudrarrajan was pissed off with raja after nAn pAdum pAdal, vaidehi kAthirundhAL. No point crying 'I gave great music - why do you desert me ?'. Cinema is team work, the ability to respect others and get along with others is crucial which our man does not have.
  raja's attitide is - this is the music I shall score : take it or leave it - and sadly people are leaving it.
  
  
• From: v. Balaji (@ webproxy03qfe0.sbi.com) on: Fri Sep 10 08:40:17 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai:
  
  PG, well said.
  
  It was not as if IR demanded huge money that led people to desert him. He recieved notably 25 lakhs for his music in 'Thalapathi' as per industry circles; which he richly deserves. Sadly MDs cannot exert that much clout as actors in film industry.
  
  ON the silver jubilee celebartion of Puthu Puthu.., IR proclaimed he was solely responsible for the movie's success which naturally pissed KB off. Every one knows the music was a gem in that movie, but taking full credit just shows IR's unbelievable Garvam (In Poovellam Kettuppar, Nassar mouths similar lines to Karan on why his movie was successful).
  
  The above is just one sample. Industry experts cite 2 reasons for his failure
  1. His unreachable nature & garvam
  2. His moving to Prasad studio (Prasad studio is notoriously known for ill-luck, which has brought big MDs to their knees. Previous example quoted, the so-called super telugu MD of yesteryears, Chakravarty; who wnet down after moving to Prasad recording studio).
  
  V. Balaji
  
  

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