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Dum Dum Dum BGM - A great effort from KR

Topic started by Radhai (@ 172.146.174.131) on Mon Apr 16 13:12:50 EDT 2001.
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I happened to watch Dum Dum Dum.The BGM was very different from the usual Karthik Raja movies. It was a great effort. Any views?

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• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.114) on: Thu Apr 19 10:19:31 EDT 2001
  
  Robin:
  
  No dream theatre. I am not hardcore fan of one particular MD. I like IR's music very much. I appeciated KR for some other movies. I don't have personal enemity with him.
  
  
• From: amalraj` (@ 202.9.149.216) on: Thu Apr 19 15:11:05 EDT 2001
  
  anybody knows where can i download dumm dumm dumm
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Apr 19 17:05:09 EDT 2001
  
  amalraj,
  download dummdummdumm from
  http://www.dummdummdumm.com
  
  
  
• From: alaghu (@ 63.197.150.153) on: Fri Apr 20 02:59:18 EDT 2001
  
  I am just back from seeing ddd. Great stuff from KR. If you notice he has BGM almost the entire movie...he needs to do more stuff like this one to get on top
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 130.213.204.109) on: Sun Apr 22 23:39:40 EDT 2001
  
  Saw DDD y'day... A nice movie.. a movie enjoyed
  by everyone which includes my granny.. aunty..
  sister and friend.. a movie for the family...
  And ofcourse great work by KR.. BGM pretty good..
  And I thought that 'Un perai sonnale' was very
  well used as a BGM at the right situations.
  
  But I had this doubt if his father would have
  accepted the BGM though... for a movie predominantly in the village.... modern instruments being used for BGM... ummm... but then it was a modern movie made in the villages... guess its okay..
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Mon Apr 23 01:01:41 EDT 2001
  
  There were times when people argued against ARR that he tries to make use of song tunes to his BGM. Now what do these people have to say about KR?
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.114) on: Mon Apr 23 01:49:17 EDT 2001
  
  Kumar : That is what I feel. Modern style for village based movie.
  Still I remember Kizakuch Cheemaiyile, Karuthama, Pasum pon Comments.
  KR is lucky to have IR with him. But he should learn so much from him.
  
  
• From: unmaivilambi (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Mon Apr 23 10:32:16 EDT 2001
  
  DUM(3) was a real treat whether it was the script,music ,photography etc. I think KR did a good job both with songs and BGM. Anyway it is not a realistic village movie to ban modern intruments. It was a feel good movie.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Mon Apr 23 11:03:33 EDT 2001
  
  Vijay: That is no suprise in this forum:-))
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Mon Apr 23 11:28:18 EDT 2001
  
  Vijay, Aruvi,
  
  I am not sure what you are upset about, I feel there is nothing wrong in using song tunes as BGM,
  Problem comes when you use ONLY (or most of the time) song tunes as your BGM, ARR is doing it quite often (probaly he is not getting enough time !)- Watch Kaathal Desam and/or Kaathalar Thinam for example.
  But as far as DummDummDumm is concerned, KR has done a very decent job, Except one or two places - songs were not used as BGMs and I feel its a real good thing. MDs should give more importance to BGM, then only they become complete MDs IMO.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 23 12:35:25 EDT 2001
  
  I listened to DDD song (only one song in TV). That is Desingu raja. Yes, it is a good song, but I noticed some similarity with a song in Avadaram.
  The lyrics goes in this way of desingu raaja
  
  
  desing raja......
  thiruthiru.......
  thanjavuru raani....
  thuruthuru......
  
  then
  
  poova thalaiya....
  kaaya pazhama...
  
  wait, I am not saying any thing about the lyrics. But the song after these lines takes a turn ion tune which goes something as "onna onna...". This part is exactly similar to a part in
  "aridharaththa pusikolla aasa"
  "naanum adavu katti attam poda aasa"
  song of avadaram.
  
  I don't know exact musical terms. I just wanted to specify where the similarity exists.
  Do anybody agree?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Apr 23 12:37:49 EDT 2001
  
  I listened to DDD song (only one song in TV). That is Desingu raja. Yes, it is a good song, but I noticed some similarity with a song in Avadaram.
  The lyrics goes in this way of desingu raaja
  
  
  desing raja......
  thiruthiru.......
  thanjavuru raani....
  thuruthuru......
  
  then
  
  poova thalaiya....
  kaaya pazhama...
  
  wait, I am not saying any thing about the lyrics. But the song after these lines takes a turn ion tune which goes something as "onna onna...". This part is exactly similar to a part in
  "aridharaththa pusikolla aasa"
  "naanum adavu katti attam poda aasa"
  song of avadaram.
  
  I don't know exact musical terms. I just wanted to specify where the similarity exists.
  Do anybody agree?
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ 208.59.137.31) on: Mon Apr 23 19:48:02 EDT 2001
  
  Any idea who is this TK. Karthik who has sung 3 songs in the telugu version of DUMM DUMM DUMM. The guys sounds like Srinivas!
  
  Also note that Sadhana has been replaced by Swarnalatha and Bhava. Any late remorse on the part of Mani & KR.
  
  Balaji
  
  
• From: Kitcha (@ 65.33.196.91) on: Mon Apr 23 20:55:59 EDT 2001
  
  Maybe somebody already brought this up in the original "Dum Dum Dum" thread...but KR also slightly altered the 1st interlude for the Telugu version of "Athaan varuvaaha".
  Any other changes other than the singers?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Mon Apr 23 21:10:29 EDT 2001
  
  NagaS,
  Why is it that a slight observation on our part leads you to feel that we are upset?
  
  As for ARR using song tunes for background score, well, that is an entirely different subject and if you want to discuss that, I would gladly join in if you care to find/make the appropriate thread. Even IR used background score in a lot of his films. Maybe, it doesn't show out considering the number of films he has scored for. Remember Nayakan?...
  
  IMO, an MD may score a wonderful for background music, but what makes him stand out are ultimately his songs. Also...as far as the background score is concerned for DumDumDum...I agree with what "Hindu" paper said.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Tue Apr 24 01:58:30 EDT 2001
  
  aruvi,
  I don't agree to your statement about songs/BGM., Anyway let us discuss that in some other appropriate thread :-)
  
  But tell me what Hindu said about 'DummDummDumm' BGM ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 24 03:30:25 EDT 2001
  
  Actually Dum Dum Dum is a pretty ordinary album I thought. Except for ragasiyamai(set in Malayamaarutham(?) resembling kanmani nee vara kaathirutnthen at times) rest of the tunes were like nursery rhymes. I couldnt stand Malgudi Subha in the first song and what is that crap "Krishna en favourite god"? Lyrics has gone down the drain recently.
  
  With YSR scoring a hit with Dheena(though only a couple of songs were good in that album too IMO) and with the huge success of Minnale KR has to come up with a much much better effort than this. Overall, pretty disappointing for a Mani film.
  
  I havent seen the film but if KR had really done agood job with the BGM then Iam really happy for him ( although if he had reused his songs in the BGM, I dont see how the BGM would have been excellent) :-)
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Apr 24 04:13:24 EDT 2001
  
  Vikatan has given 43/100 for the film.
  
  The reviewer says:
  "Karthik Raja shows a lot of maturity in the music as well as in the BGM".
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Apr 24 09:44:00 EDT 2001
  
  Vijay, tell me what impresses you...:)
  musically Dumdumdum is good album, KR has worked on the music rather than following "on/off" theories. As of today, He is one of the complicated musician I know.
  
  only one thing I wish to state is instead of being the market leader, he is following the market leader,but adapts his fathers methodology of composing, it is proved they dont meet (guys dont figth with me, just an observation). He needs to come out this, get his own style out.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.53.140) on: Tue Apr 24 10:46:10 EDT 2001
  
  Vijay..... did u hear the other songs other than that "Krishna"..... pls give one more hearing and then tell if the lyrics are bad.... one thing that i liked about the album before seeing the movie was the "lyrics".... i never hear "Krishna" song - its just for today's masses.... may be that song is the hit one in Chennai now :-)....
  
  also when i saw the movie - the lyrics just fit the situation.... that was really cool....
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 24 17:11:55 EDT 2001
  
  "Vijay, tell me what impresses you...:)
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  comment to give you a couple of specific examples.."enakenna yerkanave" from Paarthen Rasiththen and Vaseegara from Minnale :-)
  
  To me a good song starts with a good tune..and that has been sorely lacking in KRs albums..he has not matched Grahan's quality in any of his tamil albums..
  
  and Sabesan not only that Krishna song..take that first song(if u can call it a song!!) by Subha and others..asbolutely pathetic..Subha struggles in higher pitches and one could barely decipher what she was singing inspite of hearing it in mp3..
  
  The best song of the album was perhaps Ragasiyamai and we have heard much better malayamaaruthams from Ilayaraja..so nothing new here..
  
  The bottomline, I feel, is that KR has to come up with much better stuff than this if he wants to compete with Jayaraj and even YSR.. and right now his tunes are sounding more ARRish and thats not a good sign for him :-) where is that KR individuality that he established in Grahan?
  
  Listen to kehte hain Jisko and then listen to Dum Dum Dum..Suttrum bhoomi suttrum is a nursery rhyme :-)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Apr 24 18:45:37 EDT 2001
  
  Grahan is arrish?! tell me more ..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.123) on: Tue Apr 24 20:24:16 EDT 2001
  
  kk..Did I say Grahan is ARRish??? See more..:-)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Apr 24 20:47:27 EDT 2001
  
  vijay,
  A decent, valuable review of Grahan. from themusicmagazine. I dont see clue that suggests the so called ARRish. Just because similar instruments and sounds may have confused you.
  
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  The first thing that strikes you about the music is the rich texture. It isn't the usual dholaks and violins. Karthik Raja, son of maestro Ilaiyaraja, experiments with a wide range of sounds in his Mumbai debut.
  
  Kehte hain jisko is the most stylish song in the album. A chorus opens on pizzicato and bass, and a rap beat and rich violins sweep you into the tune. Abhijeet and Kavita Krishnamurthy sing this sensuous love song with a constant chorus in the background.
  
  The violin parts are magnificent and add deep colour. The beat breaks and starts exactly at the right places, confirming the anticipation in the listener. The interludes juxtapose silence and lush orchestra.
  
  Asha Bhonsle and Jolly Mukherjee team up to sing Aaj mein khush hoon. The 3/4 beat is new, and slow. The same tune is repeated again and again. After the second stanza things get a little monotonous. Jolly is restrained, while Asha sounds spuriously happy.
  
  Disco rap is sung by Dominique who until this song was part of the chorus. She sings flamboyantly and gives her all to the youthful spirit the song. The catch words with disco songs of the '70s, Hari Om, is used here too. Songs like this are probably prompted by the success of Chuku buku raile.
  
  Kavita Krishnamurthy sings the semi-classical Nacho jaise with a soft chorus. It starts with a short alap and is built on the Kafi scale. The beat comes in softly. It is pop for the most part, until Kathakali and Kathak bols come into dialogue and work up to a rousing finale.
  
  Chup chup features Asha Bhonsle and Abhijeet. Abhijeet sings with serenity as he tries to quieten the girl. A flute interlude plays staccato phrases. A voice follows, approximating the flute's staccato. The second interlude again goes off into Kathak bols. There are some good harmonies: in the second stanza Asha Bhonsle overlaps Abhijeet with an alap. The beat towards the end rises to a crescendo, perhaps to reflect the turbulence in an unstable mind.
  
  Ye Sochta Hai Kya features a slow but new beat, and a lot of electronic instruments, and the flute.
  
  Grahan has variety. Karthik Raja in his initial eagerness may have made some songs too lush instead of texturing them with contrasting thin and heavy layers. Perhaps experience will teach him restraint. That is where art begins and talent learns.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 24 21:30:09 EDT 2001
  
  kk, ennappa sonnathaye purinjukka maatengareenga..Read my post again..where have I said that Grahan is ARRish? I said
  "and right now his tunes are sounding more ARRish and thats not a good sign for him :-) where is that KR individuality that he established in Grahan?
  "
  
  clear now?? or do you want me to explain it one more time? :-)This is what happens when you read posts red-eyed :-)
  
  

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