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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Wed Jun 14 21:43:00 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  
  enna varutha pattu enna payan....Deva is the most wanted MD in film industry right now.
  
  He is doing as much as films as IR once did during the 80's.
  
  nellathukku kaalam eillai...hmmm...
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: STS (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Wed Jun 14 22:58:25 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  
  Chaitanya came much before papa kehthE hein. So it is South to North, as usual, what is happening these days.
  
  STS
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spock01.slip.yorku.ca) on: Wed Jun 14 23:05:55 EDT 2000
  
  Swami
  
  "Vanthanaal muthal ... intha naal varai,
  Deva maaravillai..."
  
  Ivvalavvu kaalamum varaatha shame ippa eppudi varum:-)
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Thu Jun 15 03:17:32 EDT 2000
  
  when IR does for the compulsion of directors, why don't deva.
  Even he said in an interview.
  IR copied so many. Some thing came out. Since they declared that somebody compuled for that, it is not the end. Lot else r there.
  ARR firt song chinna chinna aasai is copy from Veedu Varai uravu. Sing VVU in CCA tune. you will find the cheat.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.197) on: Thu Jun 15 06:00:32 EDT 2000
  
  enna Raghavan, nenjai thottu sollunga Deva is copying only because directors are compelling?
  
  Agreed the copies of IR are a black mark on his white shirt, but can't compare that with one in DK!
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Thu Jun 15 07:57:46 EDT 2000
  
  eden,
  Arivaalikal theriyaamal thavaru cheikirarkal.
  but, deva could not do it. It doesn't mean that I like deva. nalla paatu yaar pottalum pidikum.
  IR 80's songs are mere copies of naatup purap paatukal. koil kumi, kaavai ithellam duet aakitar.
  For us steeling means doing from outside. but, I too like those songs.
  Arivaalikal theriyaamal cheikirarkal. IR arivaali. I agree. We are lucky to get MSV,IR,KVM,ARR, and also Deva.
  One more MD. We forget him. Chandrabose. Listen to his songs. his songs are also good.
  10 rupees ot 1000 rupees, theft is a theft. Pnishment may differ. But, they all come under same all.
  naan enna ezuthirukennu ennaku chariyap puriyalai. Ungkalukup purinjchach chari.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Thu Jun 15 07:59:57 EDT 2000
  
  eden lot of spelling mistakes. when we mix Tamiz and English this happens.
  
  
• From: S (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Thu Jun 15 09:16:42 EDT 2000
  
  Ragavan,
  
  >>IR 80's songs are mere copies of naatup purap paatukal. koil kumi, kaavai ithellam duet aakitar. <<
  
  ungaLai ninaichchA siruppu dhAn vaRadhu....NOM...
  
  
• From: net practice! (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu Jun 15 11:09:51 EDT 2000
  
  GR: neenga paattukku full-toss um short pitch delivery yumaa pOttindirukkeenga. inga pala 'seasoned batsmen' ungaLukkaaga kaaththundirukkaanga.:-))))
  
  
• From: satish (@ 139.85.161.162) on: Thu Jun 15 11:22:07 EDT 2000
  
  no body can say that ir copied natupura pattu,kummi etc becos there is no sole owner for all this,ragavan neenga idha purinjikanum,deva adhu madhiri kuda try pannale
  deva ku therinjadhellam
  ctrl+c, ctrl+v dhan
  
  
• From: satish (@ 139.85.161.162) on: Thu Jun 15 11:23:16 EDT 2000
  
  SAR Adikadha copya
  "edho oru pattu en kadhil ketkum" is just cut and paste from movie "MANN"
  Ivangallam thirudhave mattanga
  
  
• From: Gyani (@ atlcprxy02.vanstar.com) on: Thu Jun 15 11:36:21 EDT 2000
  
  Actually Edho Oru Pattu was copied by Hindi MD.
  
  Unidathil ennai kuduthaen came before Mann
  
  
• From: Rishi (@ 202.9.144.3) on: Thu Jun 15 12:56:51 EDT 2000
  
  Illayaraja has given tremendous of tunes during his early eighties and even now, because of his indepth knowledge of hindustani an carnatic raagas. At that time he was experimenting with mixing a naatupurapattu with western instruments and Hindustani raagas in folk style. These are fusions and innovations and cannot be described as copies.
  Listen to
  1. Kadaloram Kadaloram - a typical fisherman folk song composed in Aananda biravi Raga.
  2. Paruvame pudhiya paadal Paadu - an hindustani bit in a western style.
  3. poongathave thai... - a fantastic song with a mixure of var...ious instruments in a perfect sequence.
  4. Indiranum chandiranum from 'Avadharam' - a typical folk song with a Symphony style background score.
  
  A person who has given great stock of such tunes
  if at all is copying (if any) means he is just inspired by that tune.
  This cannot be compared with what Deva or others do.
  
  Rishi
  
  
• From: gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on: Thu Jun 15 14:06:34 EDT 2000
  
  Hi STS,
  
  I don't think chaitanya came before QSQT. if there r any telugu guys here, can u confirm ??
  
  gundu ..
  
  
• From: STS (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Thu Jun 15 19:57:07 EDT 2000
  
  Gundu,
  
  I was in Hyderabad that time but I am not sure.
  But where not we comparing Chaitanya with 'Pahala..' something?
  
  STS
  
  Copy in DOS Style
  
  Veda *.hindi
  Deva *.*
  ARR Many*.Msv, Many*.self
  SAR IR*.*
  
  Deva copies only because his name has the same letters as Veda!!!
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu Jun 15 22:28:26 EDT 2000
  
  Yea, u guessed right, this is about deva's copying :))
  But with a difference. When TOP mds "inspiring" from the same tune.
  Pak Sufi song "Sayonee" by Junoon Band is with us.
  Sayonee : http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Spa/6494/music.html
  SAR : megamai vanthu pogiren, thullatha manamum thullum http://www.ramiy.com/songs/SAR/Tu_ma_tu/acd_01_3.ram
  Deva : Salomia, kannethire thondrinal :
  http://www.padmalekha.com/NerinaHera/Songs/Tamil/KannedhireyThandrinal/Salamiya.ram
  I leave it to ur ears! :))
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Thu Jun 15 23:31:59 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  Once when SAR couldn't the break the reign of IR, he started talking as if people are not realising his true music potentiality.
  eppo he started flicking....
  
  looks like deva and SAR ethil potti veru...both of them getting inspired from the same tune....yaar first endru....sure I would support DEva.....the best example of "XEROX".
  
  I saw more inspired clips of Sirpy, Deva in
  http://www.muthamil.com
  
  he is total disgrace to the land of Thyagaraja and others.
  
  Bug
  
  Hmmmm...
  
  i saw more clips of these inpisr
  
  
• From: gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on: Fri Jun 16 17:26:12 EDT 2000
  
  Hi STS,
  
  no, we were comparing chaitanya with QSQT "papa kehthe hain" .. BTW, i am a telugu guy. was just wondering if I was wrong. 'cuz, QSQT came sometime in 87 or b4, I think while chaitanya around early 90s .. types ...
  
  gundu
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.122) on: Mon Jun 19 07:01:45 EDT 2000
  
  Two things....
  
  SA Rajkumar's 'etho oru paatu' was original, while Sanjeev Darshan copied it in Mann! Not the other way round. It was a good tune so please give him the credit folks.
  
  And chinna chinna aasai doesnt sound like veedu varai uravu in anyway! Did I miss something or is it just a nut who posted it?
  
  Karthik
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 19 12:08:12 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik:
  
  SAR had also copied it from the old hindi song " thEra mErA pyaar amar, phir bee mujhE kyOm lagthaa hai dar" by LathA MangEshkar.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ ppp-203-197-9-170.bom.vsnl.net.in) on: Mon Jun 19 13:10:03 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  The initial progression may be similar, but the similarity ends there. I think your argument kind of legitimises the copy of Sanjeev-Darshan (Sons of Shravan(Nadeem)) who in their very debut film Mann, copied SAR's original.
  IMO, Edho Oru PAttu is one of the very few originals from SAR.
  He(SAR) obviously is so proud of this number that the song is manifesting itself in many avatars in the MD's subsequent releases, in all languages!!!
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Mon Jun 19 14:16:55 EDT 2000
  
  MS,
  Could you please let me know the hindi movie for that song...and which song of SAR in tamil resembles that hindi song?Naanum yosithu yosithu parthen to get that song....can't :(
  
  a song hyperlink will be more appreciated. :-)
  
  by the way, can anyone tell me which tamil song resembles this Nusrat's song.....
  http://www.muthamil.com/ram/quiz.ram
  the initial starting seems to resemble something.....but can't say for sure.
  
  is it a scoop or scam?
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 19 15:05:53 EDT 2000
  
  Neels:
  
  Just the initial progression ? Definitely not.
  
  Bug:
  
  I think I have the song with me in the cassette. I shall try to upload it somewhere. I do not know asite where it is found :-(
  
  

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