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What is the contribution of ARR to film music in the past 10 years

Topic started by musician (@ 211.28.96.9) on Mon Jun 10 07:14:46 EDT 2002.
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• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.156) on: Tue Jun 25 05:07:10 EDT 2002
  
  ARR has to take credit for introducing to TFM great singers like Udit Narayan (remember his "kachiyellaamippa NAMAKKEDHUKKA... KALATHIN kail adhu IRUKKA..."... "kaadhalikkum penvadikkum KAIYOZHUTHILEY kanda pizhaigalkooda kavidhayaagumey").
  
  Go funky. Sound cool. Hell with pronounciation.
  
  The song maybe a superhit but what about TAMIL? Operation success, patient dead?
  
  The lyrics getting drowned completely in the rhythm/BG is another problem with ARR. Right from his earlier days, he is doing that. Nowadays, i feel its a lot lot better ("snehithaney", "poongatriley" being glowing examples). but i wont forgive him for a "thee thee" or a "chandralekha".
  
  On the other hand, he gave a welcome break to the trend of using "oh-here-come-the-same-chorus".
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.45.227) on: Tue Jun 25 05:37:38 EDT 2002
  
  Probably Nothing! His contribution is very minimal. He has a long way to go. He has hardly composed 400 songs in his entire life which include junk songs like peta rap, oorvasi, mustafa, kalloori salai, chikku pukku railu,rukkumani to name a few. He is yet to score an authentic carnatic tune and an authentic folk tune. His songs are more like Sunrise coffee advertisment songs. I like that Sunrise ad song. But you cannot listen to it again and again. He is a highly stereotypical. Bottomline is he is not gifted. He is just a hard worker blessed with all the high tech music equipments which does 50% of the job for the musicians. That's why he has never been able to dominate Tamil music. It is not like he deprived all the MDs of their chances. Everybody is getting chances. His folk songs are almost unbearable. Bharathi Raja must surely be out of his mind to use him. One song which totally annoys me is "Athangarai Marame"...
  It was a highly westernized folk. That's why most of his songs fail to blend with movie. He is not good enough to have fanatics already.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.45.227) on: Tue Jun 25 05:51:25 EDT 2002
  
  I think lots of guys have compared ARR with IR here. IR has composed songs for 800 movies . If you give 5 songs per movie. He has composed 4000 songs. Our ARR has composed music for 60 movies(exculduing repetition). If you give 6 songs per movie he has composed 360 songs. If only ARR were to start his career in late 70s where there was no technology he would have even been able to compete with MDs like Sankar Ganesh, MSV let alone MSV. I am glad IR didn't change. It's like Ennio Morricone starts composing rap songs. I still listen to the song "Nee Partha" from Heyram atleast once a day not because it was scored by IR, but because it is one of the most romantic melodies i have heard in a long time. Just because he made his mark in Bollywood doesn't make him any better. He is still the same musician who doesn't have the clue how to compose a folk tune.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.45.227) on: Tue Jun 25 05:53:19 EDT 2002
  
  Two corrections
  he would have never been able to compete with MDs like Sankar Ganesh,MSV let alone IR
  
  
• From: MIF (@ 202.9.148.60) on: Tue Jun 25 06:40:19 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman,
  u mean to say MSV is no good when compared with IR??...........and groupin MSV with Sankar Ganesh is the greatest insult that can ever be done to MSV......any MD for that matter
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Tue Jun 25 06:43:34 EDT 2002
  
  Well well said Uthaman
  It is correct, people are just comparing arr with IR well as if no one is around. But to me sometimes other MDs are good compared to arr.
  He is just different in re-recording and using hi-fi tech systems.
  I wonder how long it will take for him to compose songs without the PC or Hifi Tech high tech music equipments, can he finish one film a year?
  
  well thats alll for now...
  
  
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.150.188.44) on: Tue Jun 25 06:46:30 EDT 2002
  
  Vj
  
  ARR is not Ki.AA.Pe.Viswanatham who is the certified(!) Muthamizk Kavalar.
  
  As regards pronounciation yes,Udit has a horrible Tamil pronounciation but that DOES NOT MAKE him a bad singer.He is prob the only singer who never tries to imitate other legendary singers.In short his voice is fresh and just matches ARR s tastes.Same is the case with Sukvindar.I have already mentioned about Madurai Mani Aiyyar s terrible dissection of Tamil but he had few parallels in CM.Mano/Sabesh/Krishnaraj may have better pronounciation than Seshagopalan,GNB,even PBS.But does that make them better singers?.How about Dr.Mu.Ka. singing Vasamilla malarithu and Vai.Ko singing Kanakanum Kangal mella instead of SPB?
  
  Funky!Yes,that was the idea of that song.It should sound urban and different.Why you forgot "Kollayile Thennai vechu" by PJ from Kadhalan?
  
  So you find ARR guilty,but why the calves from the Kings house go in for Udit.(Naam iruvar Namaku iruvar,Velai etc)So everyone wants to imitate when ARR chooses to experiment.
  
  Were Jency,AB,LM pronouncing Tamil the way KB sundarambal would have liked them to pronounce?
  
  Mr.Uthaman ,if you talk about MSV and SG in the same breath you dont deserve reasoning.
  
  People forget that the even IR can buy thatTech gizmos as they are not sold only to ARR.
  
  
• From: MIF (@ 202.9.148.60) on: Tue Jun 25 06:48:41 EDT 2002
  
  can any one please tell me the number of films for which MSV has composed for???(incl. TKR)
  
  wellll.....this is not for any comparison.......after knowing how many films ARR,IR have done am a bit curious to know MSV's number :)
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Tue Jun 25 06:50:23 EDT 2002
  
  OISG
  Hey man it is not just buying that "tech gizmos".
  It should be used as and when required properly only. Should not depend on them like arr.
  
  
  
• From: MIF (@ 202.9.148.60) on: Tue Jun 25 06:53:11 EDT 2002
  
  >>Mr.Uthaman ,if you talk about MSV and SG in the same breath you dont deserve reasoning. <<
  
  well said OISG..........his comparison is like comparing IR and Sirpy (or Deva) !!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.156) on: Tue Jun 25 07:13:13 EDT 2002
  
  hey... we had a thread "IR vs Deva" too...!!!
  
  Guess why IR hasnt used Sukwinder or Udit (atleast yet)???
  
  anyways, IR has got nothing to do in this thread. so its a digression.
  
  If IR's siblings use UN or Sukhwinder, doesnt mean that i shd "jingchak" them. Nor i meant that UN (or other HFM singers) a poor singer... but a poor pronouncer of Tamil. Pronounciation was what i gave importance to. I like many of UN's Hindi songs but Tamil..? very hard.
  
  
• From: MIF (@ 202.9.148.60) on: Tue Jun 25 07:22:56 EDT 2002
  
  Vj,
  be glad there was no thread comparing MSV with SG.......ok MSV is the only person who is not the cause of quarrels!!.......avarai thaniya vittudalam :)
  
  and b4 that.......do u know the no. of films he has worked for???
  yaaravathu sollungalen please.........mandaiye vedichudum pola irukku :))
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.83.156) on: Tue Jun 25 07:27:34 EDT 2002
  
  coming back to the thread, ARR introduced a plethora of singers but sad that most of them are one-song-wonders. I wd luved to hv heard Shoba sankar ("Maargazhi poovey") or a Caroline ("thee thee" especially for her voice).
  
  the quality of recording an album improved a lot.
  
  new sounds took the place of music.
  
  songs gained lyrical importance again, thanks to the VM-ARR combo.
  
  theme songs (pachai niramey, azhagu) found a revival.
  
  quality over quantity.
  
  
• From: ashok (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Tue Jun 25 07:47:31 EDT 2002
  
  Vj
  
  ennaya quality over quantity?
  
  kindala....
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.150.188.44) on: Tue Jun 25 08:13:58 EDT 2002
  
  MIF
  
  MSV-TKR have done 88 movies together.MSV must have done about 200 movies.From the tamilcinema.com s list of movies totally he should have done around 300-325 movies from 1952 to 1985.
  
  Vj
  One song wonders!- Well that is a tribute to Rehman at the same time an attack on the other MDs!With ARR doing 60 movies in 10 years no way he can patronise like IR did for Mano.Surindar Amarnath & Pravin Amre could not sustain.Whose fault is that anyway!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Tue Jun 25 09:00:47 EDT 2002
  
  >>>Mr.Uthaman ,if you talk about MSV and SG in
  the same breath you dont deserve reasoning. <<<<
  
  Fitting reply OISG.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.44.9) on: Tue Jun 25 09:59:25 EDT 2002
  
  I am sorry if i have misconveyed my opinion. I have great respect for MSV. Qualitywise SG is nothing compared to MSV. But i was talking Quantitywise. Once IR started dominating all the other MDs including MSV could never pose any threat to IR. Some of my favorite songs were scored by MSV,KVM, V-RM. Sorry if i have given a wrong impression about MSV. There are three eras.
  Viswanathan-RM era, MSV era and IR era.
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.104) on: Tue Jun 25 10:21:28 EDT 2002
  
  one a given day a monkey jumps more than 1255 times , average human can jump only 260.
  one a given day an elephant eats about 1/2 truck load of food,, average human eats this for about 3 months.
  
  --- nothing related tfm, something similar to free advice in valpaiyan drama, andhamathri than iduvum, newtfmpage and its visitors should have some good GK that is my intention. :)
  i am missing rotfl :( where are you my friend.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.44.9) on: Tue Jun 25 10:37:34 EDT 2002
  
  "People forget that the even IR can buy thatTech gizmos as they are not sold only to ARR."
  - That is the whole point.. Even with Tech Gizmos ARR is scoring music for less movies than some of his other contemporaries. How many movies he has scored music for in an year? I just took a brief survey from Tamil Beat New song section.
  
  There were 21 movies.
  
  Bhardwaj 4 movies Deva 3 movies Harris Jeyaraj 2 movies Manisharma 2 movies SA Rajkumar 2 movies ARR 2 movies Vidyasagar, dhina, srinivas, immam,bharani,yuvansankaraja each 1 movie. This is the scenario now. Anybody can be an MD. ARR's severe dependance of technology has given hopes to amatures. He scores for big directors movies like Maniratnam, BharatiRaja, Balachander. That is why he manages to be in the limelight. Maniratnam will soon stop his services. Because his terrible BGMs are killing Maniratnam. If he is wise enough he will find someone else. His BGM and songs in KM are very average. Totally out of place.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 63.100.210.76) on: Tue Jun 25 10:40:43 EDT 2002
  
  Can anyone tell why SG duo is so much
  infamous. They might have done some vulgar
  and some lifeless songs, but they had composed
  a number of good tunes as well, if i am not erring.
  
  

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