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Vairamuthu`s frustration with ARR>>>

Topic started by suren (@ abdbb0ad.ipt.aol.com) on Fri Mar 17 07:22:07 EST 2000.
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I read an article on Kandukonden Kandukonden`s audio cassette release function in todays online Hindu in "talk of the town" section.VM sems to be very much frustrated with ARR especially the way in which his lyrics are treated by ARR of late!. Is it his response to the comment about the so called `lyrics` in Alaipayudhe?. Infact VM seems to have quoted the songs of "kandukonden Kandukonden" as one those examples. Guys, any comments.

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• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri May 12 14:50:35 EDT 2000
  
  what better things? there is nothing better than what we are doing right now. if you have any qualms with it, you will have to first meet me in my own turf. vandhuttAnga ennamO... better thingsAm. m....
  
  :-))))))
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 15:00:35 EDT 2000
  
  hihi,
  I'll need to know your name to know your turf in order to decide whether you're worth my effort to meet.
  
  
• From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri May 12 15:29:57 EDT 2000
  
  anyway, we will lose a really good combo. was listening to "pachchai niRamE" from alaipaayudhE. the lyrics blend in so beautifully with the music. take this part where VM describes the color red. the sandhams are just too good. when sung, lyrics adds a beautiful beat.
  kiLaiyi lamarum kiLiyin mookku
  vidalaip peNNin veRRilai naakku
  puththam pudhidhaai raththa rOjaa
  bhoomi thodaaaaatha piLLai paadham
  i really doubt if the newcomers (iLayakamban et.al) understand lyrics writing as much as VM does, and whether they have same aaLumai over thamizh.
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Fri May 12 15:38:36 EDT 2000
  
  aruLarasan (hihi), Udhaya, bb - We have (in you three) the right group to take this thread in the right direction. Gentlemen! Start your engines!
  
  
• From: Athi (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 16:29:33 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  
  Why people are writing about ARR's stay in
  UK in the thread for discussing VM's
  frustration with ARR? They should have chosen
  an apt thread.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Fri May 12 16:43:08 EDT 2000
  
  Athi, view it this way:
  
  It may be that one of the reasons ARR chose to be in UK is VM.
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 17:18:09 EDT 2000
  
  Athi,
  If you carefully read (which I always doubt with you) Geetha's post she just prefaced her post with info about ARR's stay in London, that too in response to Pentium/Noel. She went on to talk about how ARR decided not to use VM and so on. This is very relevant to the topic. Even info on other news about ARR isn't as irrelevant as writing about IR or bringing the IR/ARR comparison here. You started that digression.
  
  If you're an ARR non-believer, then you shouldn't even have to post in this thread. But you seem hell bent on inciting rage wherever you go, especially ARR threads.
  
  If you want to have focused, sensible debates check out the "IR/ARR usage of instruments" where most of the time a semblance of a discussion takes place.
  
  I just don't get what you're trying to achieve. If you post just to vent, let me point you to some fight threads in the archive. You can indulge yourself as much as you want there.
  
  I would love to say more, but I know this will only encourage, "woe is me" posts from you which I can certainly live without, especially on a Friday.
  
  
• From: STS (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Fri May 12 17:40:27 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  
  ....'If you're an ARR non-believer, then you shouldn't even have to post in this thread'...
  
  I never thought this thread is reserved for 'ARR believers only'!!! Are you not a bit harsh on Athi? (especially on a friday? :)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 18:19:38 EDT 2000
  
  STS,
  If you want to misread my post, you're welcome to it. No, no thread is reserved for any particular group. But if one is vehemently opposed to a certain artist, but insists on visiting every thread about that artist to cause digressions, then I can ask that person why he has to post there!
  
  And, no I'm not being harsh on Athi if you bear in mind his many similar, digressive, fight-mongering posts.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Fri May 12 18:24:09 EDT 2000
  
  STS: Sometimes some comments are addressed specifically to certain people and is relevent only in that context. If one tries to extract a sentence here and there and generalize it beyond proportions they will lose purpose.!
  
  
• From: Athi (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 19:42:08 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  
  I thought that criticizing an artist is
  as much important as praising him. And I
  see ARR glorified in all the threads much
  beyond what he deserves. Is ARR a religion
  in which I can either believe or not believe?
  
  And I have seen some contributors being
  derided in the IR new albums thread just
  for writing good about IR. And if I remember
  it correct, you were also one of them
  eventhough you clarified that you didn't
  intend to do that later. And there is one
  another tfm forumer who used to pounce on
  anyone criticising ARR and make personal
  attacks. He used to get away because of his
  musical knowledge.
  
  Just wondering whether you are an administrator of this forum as you seem to be stipulating
  the rules for posting in various threads.
  
  I can point to many similar posts in the IR
  threads which are more fight mongering and digressive than mine here(using your own words).
  If IR can be criticised, why can't be ARR?
  
  And if people feel upset about Deva copying, then how ARR can be spared eventhough he also
  copies? The yardstick should be the same for
  everyone.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate32.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 19:44:40 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  Are'nt you triggering off a digression yourself by commenting on others' digession the way you have been doing.
  You had rather steer the course of the discussions to the topic by posting on the topic rather than try and join issues with people like Athi. I am not supporting Athi here, but it does'nt make sense to pick on one for digressing. After all, it happens in all threads and nothing better to steer it on course than to start posting relevant to the topic.
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate32.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 19:47:27 EDT 2000
  
  RajaG :
  The right group, eh ? There you go ! Bringing your "elite" group into this again ! :-))
  
  
• From: Athi (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 19:54:00 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  
  Also wanted to add something. If you wanted
  to criticize me personally, then why post it
  here? Are you not also digressing? May be
  the rules of digressing are different for
  different people.
  
  Also it is surprising to see remarks like
  whether I have carefully read(that too with a remark always). Do you think
  I don't read completely and understand before
  posting? It is surprising that people
  have to resort to such petty personal attacks
  for getting their point heard.
  
  I was previously asked to grow up when I
  criticised ARR. May be a person can never
  criticise ARR as otherwise he will not be
  considered as a grown up person.
  
  When someone finds fault with IR, do they get
  criticised like this? In fact they do it
  in IR New albums thread all the time.
  
  Different rules are applied to different
  people in this forum and this has been on
  the rise recently. Some people seem to be
  thinking that only they can post in all
  the threads of this forum making personal
  attacks on anyone as they wish.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 20:05:55 EDT 2000
  
  Athi,
  
  A response in parentheses.
  
  Udhaya,
  
  I thought that criticizing an artist is
  as much important as praising him.(yes, in the right thread) And I
  see ARR glorified in all the threads much
  beyond what he deserves.(Your opinion, one you can state in the right thread) Is ARR a religion
  in which I can either believe or not believe? (I'm not ready for a semantic discussion with you, it will take precious years out of my life)
  
  And I have seen some contributors being
  derided in the IR new albums thread just
  for writing good about IR.(and all this should allow you to digress in this thread? okay got your reasoning) And if I remember
  it correct, you were also one of them
  eventhough you clarified that you didn't
  intend to do that later. And there is one
  another tfm forumer who used to pounce on
  anyone criticising ARR and make personal
  attacks.(take it up with him, not in this thread though) He used to get away because of his
  musical knowledge. (I disagree)
  
  Just wondering whether you are an administrator of this forum as you seem to be stipulating
  the rules for posting in various threads. (I'm a volunteer who cleans up, not an administrator but one among the moderators, whistleblowers, if you will.)
  
  I can point to many similar posts in the IR
  threads which are more fight mongering and digressive than mine here(using your own words).
  If IR can be criticised, why can't be ARR? (AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! I never said you can't criticize, pick the right thread and stick to the theme. This is not a free-market for instant rants, if it were, we wouldn't have separate threads and titles for each.)
  
  And if people feel upset about Deva copying,(Great, now we're talking about Deva, and by the way, I have never derided Deva for copying) then how ARR can be spared eventhough he also
  copies(There are piles and piles of thread about ARR copying. Even recently, Srikanth himself wrote angrily about ARR copying. So, I don't know what you're talking about) The yardstick should be the same for
  everyone. (Ahaa, we agree finally. So why don't you stop impeding others enjoyment of their favorites and come crying foul when someone impedes on your enjoyment of your favorite.)
  
  VS,
  Athi asked a pointed question addressed to me. I responded in the interest of clearing things up. The topic had headed in the right direction with bb's post, if you care to look back.
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 20:12:20 EDT 2000
  
  Athi,
  My name is always hyperlinked to my e-mail, why didn't you ask me a question through mail? So what if I respond publiclyto a public claim? Besides, you asked me a question, personally did you not? We're dealing with this forum aren't we?
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 20:26:37 EDT 2000
  
  bb,
  True. The loss is that of TFM. It is just as great a loss as it was when IR (at his peak) and VM fell out.
  The issue in the VM-ARR (or IR) is not as to who wins the bout, as many of us are tempted to think, but what is the loss to quality TFM.
  What irritates me about VM is that he seems to have the uncanny knack of being the spoiler in such good combinations just when they are shaping up well and are running smoothly. IMO, IR's music did suffer after the episode with VM. Probably, the quality of VM's lyrics also took a tumble (I hear many DFers citing IR-VM songs as examples of great lyrics and lament that such lyrics from VM is passe; I lament thus about IR's music these days also). Hope the same does'nt happen in the case of ARR.
  
  

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