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Vairamuthu`s frustration with ARR>>>

Topic started by suren (@ abdbb0ad.ipt.aol.com) on Fri Mar 17 07:22:07 EST 2000.
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I read an article on Kandukonden Kandukonden`s audio cassette release function in todays online Hindu in "talk of the town" section.VM sems to be very much frustrated with ARR especially the way in which his lyrics are treated by ARR of late!. Is it his response to the comment about the so called `lyrics` in Alaipayudhe?. Infact VM seems to have quoted the songs of "kandukonden Kandukonden" as one those examples. Guys, any comments.

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• From: A K Moorthy (@ 203.127.116.210) on: Mon May 8 02:06:07 EDT 2000
  
  Looks like the lessons of the Mahabaratatam are being ignored. Jealousy and greed were the nemisis of the Mahabarattam, which led to Indians fighting each other. Now in the Cine World it has become a tussle for supremacy between the Lyrics and the Music. When will these wretches realise that "United We Stand, Divided We Fall". Looks like a "Win-Win" partnership is going to end and I wonder who the loser will be. Remember the fallout between MSV and TKR. In the final analysis, it is the Tamil Cine Worls that will be the loser. Let us realise the fact that one does not eat plain idlys alone. You need some sambar or chutney to go with it. Like wise the lyrics and the music are necessary to make a song complete. A song is bare if it is without music. Music can stand on its own as we can see in English Movie. A day may come when Indian Movies might be without songs. If that should happen, our poets like VM will become an extinct species of the movie industry. Regards to all.
  
  Posted By
  A K Moorthy
  Singapore
  
  
• From: suren (@ spider-wm021.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 8 05:13:26 EDT 2000
  
  mmm....very interesting.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon May 8 10:43:52 EDT 2000
  
  Geetha,
  
  I presume you are the same Geetha who used to post under the name YGeetha previously (and quite regularly). Welcome back to the forum!!!!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.132) on: Mon May 8 13:19:52 EDT 2000
  
  Geetha,
  Good to see your posts again. My regret is about ARR going after Vaali who's even more dried up and cliched than VM. Remember the late 80s and early 90s stuff from IR-Vaali? Only a handful of well penned songs. We need more unknown, young lyricists to get their time. Every Thamizh M.A. in Tamil Nadu can easily fulfill a soundtrack.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon May 8 14:28:08 EDT 2000
  
  Geetha: I am posting this ONLY because I believe in this (and definitely NOT to embarass the people mentioned). You seem to know ARR and Rajeev Menon personally (to name a few). Our DF's Udhaya, Balaji (bb), rameshb, aruLaracan, aruna, and a few others are excellent writers of prose, poetry and songs. From their love for thamizh and their above average education level, my personal opinion is that their output is equal, if not superior, in form and content. In today's world of advanced communications on-line real time delivery is easily achieved for any of these writers. Why don't you mention this to ARR and ask him to try out these 'america thamizhargaL' for atleast one album? I am sure he is going to be pleasantly surprised by both the output as well as the efficiency/professionalism of doing business with these writers.
  
  If ARR wants any evidence, I am sure all these aforementioned writers can readily provide alternative lyrics to his existing compositions as well as some original poetry too.
  My personal gain is, someday (hopefully soon) in the future, I can tell my family/friends that I know some of the contemporary TFM writers personally (and even sparred with some of them)
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Mon May 8 14:30:16 EDT 2000
  
  Correction: "...in form and content to contemporary TFM lyrics."
  
  
• From: Radhai (@ h3266.s86b1.baynetworks.com) on: Mon May 8 15:41:39 EDT 2000
  
  SM,
  Enai Kaanavillaiye was penned by Vaali. The film review in Kumudham had praised Vaali for some of the songs (Thendrale, Oor vennilaa, Enai Kaanavillaiye..)
  
  -Radhai
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon May 8 16:07:23 EDT 2000
  
  Or veNNilaa is a classic. thendralE is equally good.
  
  
• From: suren (@ spider-wl064.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 8 18:02:40 EDT 2000
  
  Many classics in TFM were actually penned by vali though they were assumed to be done by Kannadasan;since they were really good!
  
  
• From: PRIYAN (@ 203.76.17.27) on: Thu May 11 09:48:07 EDT 2000
  
  I heard Vairamuthu is on the hunt for a decent music director. What a fantastic news for tamil music world.Atlast we can able to hear sweet melodious songs.I think the tamil cinema had suffered enormously under A.R Rehman, and now its time to say goodbye to him.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 207.164.137.166) on: Thu May 11 10:49:08 EDT 2000
  
  People, don't you think it is silly to build up so much stories when the two people concerned have not said anything.
  
  
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 207.164.137.166) on: Thu May 11 10:49:54 EDT 2000
  
  GEETHA,
  
  Did ARR say anything about the Bharathiyaar album?
  
  
• From: Athi (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Thu May 11 14:31:39 EDT 2000
  
  Is ARR working on Bharathiar Album just becos
  IR is working on the movie Bharathiar ?
  The whiz kid wants to follow IR in all
  possible ways. Since IR had symphony style
  BGM for Hey Ram, ARR also decided to have
  the same for Pukar eventhough he didn't know
  how to use the music effectively !!!
  
  Probably, ARR might have a song like Shakalakka Baby in the Bharathiar Album.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: yy (@ tide117.microsoft.com) on: Thu May 11 15:08:37 EDT 2000
  
  Athi!
  
  ARR working on Bharathiar album is old news! I heard the news one year before (in that case I don't know who is following who) and please you don't want me to comment on Hey Ram and its BGM and its songs (songs was ok) after such hype.
  
  So see to that want you write here!
  
  I thought only the critics don’t know anything now a days, even here! Please
  
  One of the film magazine had a story about lagaan movie, the article was talking about live music, they have mentioned that its first time in India. I thought Hey Ram, was the first movie (which we all know).
  Anyway have fun guys! And make sure you know what you are talking.
  
  No heart feeling!
  
  
• From: SM (@ pmnat01-p05.sgum.mci.com) on: Thu May 11 15:48:38 EDT 2000
  
  yy,
  
  "Hey Ram" as a movie might have flopped. But, what about the BGM and its songs? They were/are worth the hype. In fact, music was the only factor that made one to sit through those 3&1/2 hours. Vera yaaraavudhu MD irundhal padam theatrea vittu adutha naaLae odirukkum. I'm not saying that the movie was bad. But, great music was absolutely necessary for one to see that movie.
  
  IMO, BGM compose panna therinja ore aaL Indian cinemalayae Raaja oruthardhan. Situationukku yetha maadhiri uruppadiya songs compose panna therinja ore aaLum namma Raajadhan.
  
  
• From: SM (@ pmnat01-p05.sgum.mci.com) on: Thu May 11 15:49:45 EDT 2000
  
  Athi,
  
  yy is right in one thing though. News about ARR's Bharathiyar album came nearly one year before.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ dedicated-149.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Fri May 12 00:09:04 EDT 2000
  
  yy
  
  what are you imputing? that Hey Ram's BGM was not good? well then, go ahead and make your 'comments' so that we see if you have any solid reason to mock what we think is an all-time classic by Indian BGM standards.. we sure know what we're talking about, do you? i'll be interested to know what is the benchmark that you have in Indian cinema to compare Hey Ram's BGM with...
  
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 207.164.137.166) on: Fri May 12 10:51:30 EDT 2000
  
  Athi,
  I heard ARR was making a bharathiar album sometime around the end of 1998. So you guess who is following who. And here is something new for you. ARR did Vande Matharam and then IR's daughter and son came up with such albums afterwards. I heard that even IR was going to do something like that but I guess he didn't get the financial support.
  
  
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Fri May 12 11:10:46 EDT 2000
  
  aruvi & yy,
  
  This barathiyAr project of Raja was conceived long back....It came as a bit news in Kumudham...Unless we know the exact date as to when the idea was conceived (by both the guys ), we shudn't discuss who did it first.
  
  I wud anyday prefer something about barathiyAr the man himself than some 5-6 songs of his and calling that stuff a tribute to barathiyAr (making money ).
  
  
• From: Geetha Seelan (@ user142040.dial.netline.net.uk) on: Fri May 12 11:16:51 EDT 2000
  
  The Bharithiyar Album was concieved by Kanika & Bala(Of Deshkasalam and Vandhematharam and the Michael Jackson concert in Munich) - They decided to do Deshkasalam/Vanthematharam instead, I believe. The Bharithiyar idea was concieved for the 50 years of Independence, as his poetry was for Freedom, but the ideas evolved into the two albums.
  
  Athi, I won't even comment on what you've said! Shankar, looks like neither is going to be doing anything on Bharathiyar. When Rajkumar is back in town, I'll tyr and find out more. I gues that the family of Bharathiyar were against this type of album!!!!
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ ns1.poloralphlauren.com) on: Fri May 12 11:21:10 EDT 2000
  
  Aruvi,
  Its immaterial who is following who. But what matters is who produces good quality compositions of Bharathiyar songs. The answer is quite clear that its only IR. Eg., in Sindhu Bhairavi's (Manadhil Uridhi Vendum). Can you quote a single song of that quality composed by ARR. I have had a chance to hear the 'Suttum Vizhi Chudar" song from KKKK. Hariharan's rendering is pathetic and the tune itself is not suitable for that kind of a song.
  
  Derive your own conclusions.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 207.164.137.166) on: Fri May 12 11:53:55 EDT 2000
  
  Dorai,
  Maybe you should have come with your comment when Athi made such a comment. As far as you saying that only IR could, well that is entirely your own opinion. So no comments to that. And thirdly, I agree that the song of HH's was nothing great. But that alone can't determine if ARR can do Bharathiar songs. For the number of pathetic songs that have come from IR, this is nothing.
  
  There's my conclusion.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Fri May 12 12:38:42 EDT 2000
  
  Please dont turn this thread into another IR-ARR debate. Pls stick to theme of the thread.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Fri May 12 12:39:43 EDT 2000
  
  I would love to know what Bharathiyar and IR have to do with "Vairamuthu's frustration with ARR".
  
  How about this for the next digression?
  IRfan:Vairamuthu used more bad words in his fight with IR than ARR.
  ARRfan:No, Vairamuthu used more English words when he fought with ARR so this fight was better.
  MSVfan: No, you're both wrong. He wrote the least number of songs for MSV, so that fight was the worst.
  
  I wish everyone can make their conclusions quickly, since once we conclude the matter should end. And we can move on to better things. . . (yeah, right!)
  
  

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