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Topic started by TFM Group on Tue Jan 27 15:47:28 EST 1998.
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• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Tue Sep 21 08:13:09 EDT 1999
  
  Guys
  This page is moving too fast.Nevertheless has some wonderful valuable contribution.Thanx mainly to PAL,BHOORI,SK and Bhasker.Well presented intelligent arguements and analyses.
  Keep up the good work
  
  
• From: Hema (@ snfcb610-45.splitrock.net) on: Wed Sep 22 13:19:59 EDT 1999
  
  Hi,
  Can someone help me with this song..?
  Naane naana yaro naana
  mella mella maarinena..
  Which film is the song from..? Can I find a RA file for this song anywhere..?
  Thanks,
  Hema
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 22 17:04:19 EDT 1999
  
  Hema:
  
  For us in this thread, that is a 'new' song! :-))
  You can check out this wonderful site by Rex:
  http://members.tripod.com/ilayaraaja/
  If it is not there, try one of the sites in:
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/16963.21.38.50.html
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 22 17:05:52 EDT 1999
  
  Hema:
  
  BTW, that song is from 'azhagE unnai ArAdhikkiREn'.
  That movie has many other good songs too.
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 22 17:41:11 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori:
  
  Actually, even many Kannadhasan's fans think of endha oor as
  a 'OK-Not-Bad' kind of song only. It is just that I am attracted to
  it. I don't think even the kavinjar would have thought of this song
  of his as a 'high calibre' song. I am also sure that he would not have
  struggled much to pen this song. My guess is that he must have done
  some digging into oor names in Tamil Nadu to select names which are
  at least 'closely sounding' to what he required. avarudaya PA, Mr. PA
  (ahAnga, namma Panju Arunachalam) indha mAdhiri research-ukku help
  paNNi iruppArO? To me ('IMO' bore adichchuduchchu!) the use of 'oors'
  is cutely done (assuming most oors do exist) to add a nice attractive
  element to the song and the choice of words and organization of a
  stream of thoughts makes this an excellent song. These points have
  caused an attraction in me to this song. Whenever I happen to listen
  to this song I have quietly involved myself enjoying the mood it
  creates. Of course KVM's music and PBS's singing are also important
  factors for that. To me the song is high class. But I agree with you
  that there is nothing very novel or innovative in this song.
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ user-33qth05.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Wed Sep 22 22:47:54 EDT 1999
  
  SK: I think we are at the agree to disagree stage.
  
  
  Several comments of yours gave me new insights into the song e.g. your remark about the words in this song being quite poetical and evoking the right mood. I find the "oor" approach so irritating that I hvnt really appreciated the beauty of the other words.
  
  I would rate this lyric higher if Kavignar hadnt used the "oor" approach - I think that is gimmicky and algorithmic. But I never realized that places like "Katthalloor" exist! Who knows, the rest may exist too. And if they do, I would concede that this song is "cute."
  
  On the other hand, I seem to hv struck a chord with several people with my modified algorithm. It does look contrived and there seem to be no justification for the "oor" approach. Even a diehard fan like yourself have come down from "the song stands on its own" to "many people think this is a OK - not bad song." ;-)
  
  I hv great respect for the Kavignar and his genius. So please dont translate my stringent criticism of this lyric into disrespect for him!
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhasker (@ ppp-89-119.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Sep 23 03:45:00 EDT 1999
  
  Guys:
  
  I wrote this once earlier and it moved into the Old Responses pages without anyone commenting on it. I thought that I would reproduce it here so that we can critique it.
  
  I have a few more songs that I want to bring up. Someone should write up the lyrics of Ayiram karangaL neetti from Karnan. Here are the first lines:
  
  Ayiram karangaL neetti
  anaikkindRa thAyE potRi
  aruL pongum mugaththai kAtti
  iruL neekkam thanthAi potRi
  
  Every bit of this song says something about the utility value of Sun that is not mythical but practical. Also, I have never been able to decide if the last line above is:
  
  iruL neekkum thanthaAi potRi
  
  or what I quoted above. Since he referred to thAi in the first line, I thought he referred to thanthai in the second line. For that, the second word should be neekkum instead of neekkam. It makes sense either way you read it.
  
  
• From: sk (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 23 16:54:36 EDT 1999
  
  Bhasker:
  
  I have put the song in RA. If you write the full
  lyrics we can continue discussion.
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://guppy.mpe.nus.edu.sg/~mpessk/ppp/aayiram_karangal.rm
  
  
• From: Sridhar K (@ elmo.nordstrom.com) on: Thu Sep 23 20:48:24 EDT 1999
  
  SK & Bhoori:
  
  I used to be a regular here sometime during Jan-Feb this year. But here are my thoughts....
  
  I think the 'Oorr.' technique has been deliberately used. In tamil kavidhai illakanam, there is a clause where for the 'nayam' of the kavithai you can use phrases that have a inner meaning and not neccessarily a direct meaning. The example is Kaathaloor. This in the context of the song is to mean, that he travelled thru love (or kaadhal) in his life.
  
  So I am convinced that this is an excellent one of Kavignar. If he has not used the 'Oorr' technique he could not have brought the superb lines like 'veloorai parthu viten' and 'melur povadharkku vellai vara villai ada'.
  
  What do say...?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm541-44.dialip.mich.net) on: Thu Sep 23 21:15:21 EDT 1999
  
  Oru dangerousaana idea. What if Vmuthu was asked to write this 'ooru' song??
  
  endha oor endravanae
  thamizhoor theriyuma?
  andha oor thalaivan naan than
  adhu unakku puriyuma??
  
  
  poovooril poothirundhaval
  kaatrooril malarndhirundhaal
  idhaazhooril kalandhirukka
  vandooril parandhirundhen
  kanavuril ennai
  midha midhakka vittu vittu
  selaiooril andha kanni
  koondhal aeri nindrukondaal
  
  kannadithu kaadhal seidha
  kanni avaL illaiyada
  puyalooril naanum vaada
  kadhai mudindhu ponadhada
  
  endha oor...
  
  mudhalaaru varudangal
  paalukku adimaiyada
  piragaaru varudangal
  poovukku adimaiyada
  padhinnaarai thaandiyadhum
  novukku adimaiyada
  kadaisi aaru varudangal
  saavukku adimaiyada..
  indha aaril nee
  endha aaru theriyuma?
  viyarvaiyooril nanaiyaittaal
  vetri maalai thondruma??
  
  
• From: Bhasker (@ ppp-89-108.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Fri Sep 24 00:18:52 EDT 1999
  
  Ramki:
  
  Your imagination is awesome. I really enjoyed reading the recast lyrics of endha oor. I am sure TFM is missing a really good lyricist.
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ user-33qtg57.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Fri Sep 24 03:45:39 EDT 1999
  
  Ramki:
  
  How can VM write a song like this without mentioning Vervai,gadgetry etc.?
  
  
  Hence a few addl lines.
  
  
  
  Veru oor ponalum un
  Vervaiyoorai marakkavillai
  Caru Benz aanalum en
  Kadhaloor maravillai
  
  Nettooril surf seidhal
  Netriyoor ninaivu varum
  Pattoorin pudavai kandu
  paaviyoor paridhalikkum
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm535-34.dialip.mich.net) on: Fri Sep 24 08:11:05 EDT 1999
  
  Bhasker thanks
  
  Bhoori i did mention viyarvai in the last couple of lines(viyarvaiillamal vairama??:)
  
  
• From: pal (@ 208.227.135.231) on: Fri Sep 24 09:11:43 EDT 1999
  
  Ramki!
  
  A good one. Lucky you did n't think about K.Shankar's words with ARR music.
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ synvpn.synplicity.com) on: Fri Sep 24 20:45:13 EDT 1999
  
  Ramki: My mistake, too sleepy yesternight, I guess.
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Sun Sep 26 07:16:18 EDT 1999
  
  Oor Oora Poothirukku
  Tamizl Naatil 1000m Oor
  Oorile Sirantha Oor
  Enna Oor?
  Vairamoor.....Illai
  Muthoor.......Um Hum Illai
  Vairamuthoor.....Illai
  Kannadhasanoor......Athuthan Sari.
  
  Ramki
  Kannadhasan Paadalukkum Vairamuthu Paadalukkum muduch podugirirgal pola theriyuthu!
  Anyway,innovative effort-good work.
  
  Can anyone remember how many of Kannadhasan's songs start or end with the same prefix or suffix.
  Kai Bale Pandia
  Poo Kula Vilakku
  Oor Kaatu Roja
  Kaaval Manappanthal
  Adaa Deiva Thirumagal (manthaiyada)
  Thaen ?? (Paarthen,Sirithen.....)
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Sun Sep 26 08:04:10 EDT 1999
  
  Oor Oora Poothirukku
  Tamizl Naatil 1000m Oor
  Oorile Sirantha Oor
  Enna Oor?
  Vairamoor.....Illai
  Muthoor.......Um Hum Illai
  Vairamuthoor.....Illai
  Kannadhasanoor......Athuthan Sari.
  
  Ramki
  Kannadhasan Paadalukkum Vairamuthu Paadalukkum muduch podugirirgal pola theriyuthu!
  Anyway,innovative effort-good work.
  
  Can anyone remember how many of Kannadhasan's songs start or end with the same prefix or suffix.
  Kai........... Bale Pandia
  Poo........... Kula Vilakku
  Oor........... Kaatu Roja
  Kaaval........... Manappanthal
  Adaa........... Deiva Thirumagal (manthaiyada)
  Thaen........... Veera Abimanyu
  
  
• From: Thennavan (@ brf-cache11.jaring.my) on: Sun Sep 26 22:19:43 EDT 1999
  
  Valai-Puthiya boomi
  Nila-Pattina Piravesam
  
  
• From: Bhasker (@ ppp-89-125.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Mon Sep 27 02:19:07 EDT 1999
  
  Pala:
  
  vaNNam - Pasam
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Tue Sep 28 07:45:12 EDT 1999
  
  Thennavan and Bhasker
  Thanks for the info.There should be more!
  
  
• From: Bhakser (@ ppp-89-97.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Tue Sep 28 09:09:38 EDT 1999
  
  Pala:
  
  I will keep adding to this list as I remember.
  
  mElAdai - maNNukku mElAdai maRa kiLaiyE Agum
  
  I don't which movie this is.
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ inehou-pxy06.compaq.com) on: Tue Sep 28 17:42:07 EDT 1999
  
  aadu - vEttai aadu vilaiyaadu (arasa kattalai)
  thaan - aththaan enaththaan avar ennaithaan
  
  
• From: NOV (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Tue Sep 28 22:43:57 EDT 1999
  
  May - Avanthaan Manithan
  
  

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