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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ m42.m59.big.ac.at) on: Sun Apr 26 05:20:27 EDT 1998
  
  Hi!
  
  I am in the process of uploading some more songs of Ilaiyaraja. I am about to classify the foll. songs under the non-classical category, and thought there is no harm in asking you people first.
  
  metti oli kARROdu from the film metti - is it sudhdha dhanyasi?
  
  Which raga is 'oru kungumach chengamalam' set to? It sounds close to Gowri Manohari but seems to miss certain swaras in the avarohanam.
  
  Thanks and regards
  
  G. Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Mon Apr 27 00:58:02 EDT 1998
  
  hi ramaswamy,
  
  yes "metti oli katrodu" is from suddha dhanyasi
  
  oru kunguma sengamalam appears to have a prati madhyamam and so it could be dharmavathi, hemavathi clan.
  
  
  
• From: arvind (@ oxhp.com) on: Mon Apr 27 09:25:49 EDT 1998
  
  what raga is the song kannodu kanbathellam from jeans
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Apr 27 11:16:24 EDT 1998
  
  arvind - Kannodu is in Abheri.....read the rest of the Jeans and Raga threads, you may find them very interesting..............
  
  
• From: Ramaswamy Gireesan (@ m42.m59.big.ac.at) on: Tue Apr 28 03:10:12 EDT 1998
  
  Badri Raghavan,
  
  Hari Govindan has pointed out to me that 'metti oli' has both ga2 and ga3 in the charanam. So the raga turns out to be Jog.
  
  
  G. Ramaswamy
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Wed Apr 29 13:05:44 EDT 1998
  
  Is the song poo pookkum Osai.. (from minsaarak kanavu) based on dEsh? (I may be wrong; the opening two lines sound like dEsh). Thanks for any info.
  
  
• From: Chandramouleeswaran (@ ww-pa02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Apr 30 15:47:50 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  I would like to whether the foll. songs are based on hamsadhwani.
  1. Mayile Mayile un thogai enge.
  2. Naan oru ponnoviyam kanden edhire
  If not please let me know the ragas
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon May 4 09:47:25 EDT 1998
  
  Mayile Mayile un thogai enge - Yes it's in Hamsadwani.....
  I don't know the other song....
  
  
• From: vijay (@ ryan.ece.sc.edu) on: Mon May 4 12:58:39 EDT 1998
  
  song no.2 ,i think is based on mohanam.the fim 'kannil theriyum kathaigal' had 5 songs composed by 5 different MDs.thiss ong was composed by IR.
  
  
• From: Chandramouli (@ alpxy2.att.com) on: Mon May 4 14:21:49 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Thanks for the amswers. I hav one more question
  Sanga Thamizh Kaviye
  I would like to know whether this is Abheri or Dhanasri
  
  
• From: Chandramouli (@ kcpxy4.att.com) on: Mon May 4 15:20:33 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  I also wanted to know whether the song "Engenge engenge" from
  Nerrukku Nerr film is Charukesi. I noticed its
  similarity to a lot of Charukesi songs esp in the last
  few lines of the anupallavi and charanam.
  If anybody could throw light it shall be appreciated
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue May 5 04:06:12 EDT 1998
  
  Chandramouli: Engenge is indeed in Charukesi.....It's a Fantastic song isn't it?
  
  As for Sanga Thamil, I guessed Abheri, but Dhanasri is very similar too. HARI(ANON) - please confirm.....Thanks
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Tue May 5 07:59:49 EDT 1998
  
  Chandramouli : Sanga Tamil starts in Abheri but the first charanam is Bageshree. Infact the start of this song is very similar to "Chinnam Chiru Vayasil" from Meendum Kokila which was also based on Abheri.
  
  
• From: Chandramouli (@ kcpxy4.att.com) on: Tue May 5 09:45:17 EDT 1998
  
  S.Suresh,
  Are the same Suresh Sundaresan Ex- DSQ employee
  who worked in the NEC division. If its u then I should say that Iam thrilled
  and I guess that u would have found out who I am
  Looking forward for a positive reply.
  
  
• From: Hari (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Tue May 5 11:46:43 EDT 1998
  
  Sanga Thamizh is a ragamalika. As pointed out, the pallavi is in abheri, the charanam and the first interlude are in bageshri; the second interlude and charanam in sumaneesa ranjani. This, to my knowledge, was the first time IR used sumaneesa ranjani.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Tue May 5 12:01:48 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  Naan oru ponnoviyam kanden edhire -
  is based on Arabi -
  Sounds similar to Idhu oru kadal mayakam in Pudhmai penn.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.102) on: Tue May 5 17:07:39 EDT 1998
  
  idhu oru kadhal mayakkam is based on sudha saaveri.another song in this raga is 'chithagathi pookale' from raajakumaran.'naan oru ponoviyam' is definitely not arabi.it is either mohanam or a mixture of mohanam and hamsadhwani.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.102) on: Tue May 5 17:09:18 EDT 1998
  
  idhu oru kadhal mayakkam is based on sudha saaveri.another song in this raga is 'chithagathi pookale' from raajakumaran.'naan oru ponoviyam' is definitely not arabi.it is either mohanam or a mixture of mohanam and hamsadhwani.srikanth, i think u might be referring to some other song.the song which chandra is referring to is from the late seventies and is from the film 'kannil theriyum kathaigal'.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.102) on: Tue May 5 17:15:17 EDT 1998
  
  one of the popular songs in arabi is 'erikaraiyin mele' .raja has given a funny song in this raaga which goes like 'aasai kiliye,ara kilo puliye,azhugina thakaaliye' from thambikku entha ooru.
  
  
• From: Chandramouli (@ kcpxy4.att.com) on: Wed May 6 08:45:14 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Guys,
  I was wondering yesterday that if
  "Nilave ennidam Nerungadhe" is Bageshri then are these
  songs too
  1. Pon Ezhil Poothathu PudhuVaanil( kalangarai villakkam )
  2. Santhosham kaana vazhvundaa ( movie ?? Mohan starrer )
  3. Aiyiram Nilave Vaa ( esp the part Vanna vizhi thunai irrukka naanam adhil kalandhirukka )
  4. Tere mere sapne ab ek rang hai ( movie ?? )
  
  
• From: sankaran (@ webgate7.mot.com) on: Wed May 6 09:31:29 EDT 1998
  
  The song,'yaar thoorigai thandha oviyam" from the movie "paaru paaru pattanam paaru" seems to be in some rare raaga.Can anyone tell me what it is ?
  
  
• From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Wed May 6 19:22:07 EDT 1998
  
  chandramouli,
  
  the first song, 'pon ezhil poothathu pudhu vaanil" is Bagesri. i am not sure about the other songs.
  
  The following songs are all based on Bagesri
  
  1. malarukku thendral pagaiyaanaal (enga veettu pillai)
  
  2. nee ennenna sonnaalum kavidhai (movie?)
  
  3. mayakkum maalai pozhudhe nee po po (kulebagaavali)
  
  4. kalaiye en vaazhkaiyin dhisai maatrinaai (meenda sorgam?)
  
  5. koluse koluse, yesa paadu koluse (some ramki movie)
  
  (aayiram nilave vaa does not sound like bagesri)
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 97.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri May 8 00:09:55 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Adding to bagasri list
  
  6. Nelave enidam Nerugathe (Ramu)
  
  
  
• From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on: Fri May 8 00:39:25 EDT 1998
  
  'kAlaiyum neeyE mAlaiyum neeyE" from thenilavu is
  also bageshri.
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Fri May 8 02:21:44 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I remember one very good Bageshri from Maya Bazar. Any idea which is this song. An observation. They say that Sriranjani is the equivalent of Bageshri!!! Actually they sound so very different but I heard it on a tape of G S Mani that they were indeed the same. Can someone throw some light on this.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Fri May 8 05:02:11 EDT 1998
  
  mannAru
  The thenilavu song is in Basanth. Maybe you are referring to some other song.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri May 8 06:44:32 EDT 1998
  
  S.Suresh: Please look at the old responses, the difference b/w Sri Ranjani and Bhagayashree has been discussed.
  
  It is basically in the Paryogam structure. The Arahonam/Avarohanam are the same, but when you listen, Bhagayashree tends to have a Kanada sound - incidentally, it used to be called Bhagayashree Kanada in the olden days......
  
  Bhagayashree has a distinct sound and there are many film songs in both Sri Ranjani and Bhagayashree.....IR has done some great Sri Ranjani's and one really nice Bhagayashree I know....more details when I get back to London....
  
  
• From: Ramamurthy (@ pppsl630.chicagonet.net) on: Fri May 8 21:00:08 EDT 1998
  
  Kalaiyum neeye malaiyum neeye from Then nilavu is in Hamsanandi.
  Ramamurthy
  
  
• From: sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat May 9 04:19:33 EDT 1998
  
  Kalayum neeye maalayum neeye is in hamsanandi,so is putham pudhu poo poothadhu(in dhalapathi)
  
  Sankaran
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.73) on: Sat May 9 09:30:24 EDT 1998
  
  Ramamurthy
  
  "kaalayum neeye" has a prominent use of M1 & M2 right in the pallavi, which I think is enough to rule out Hamsanandhi. The alap by Janaki has nice Basanth touches, don't you think so?
  
  
• From: M. Diwakar (@ j54.bkj23.jaring.my) on: Sun May 10 01:06:38 EDT 1998
  
  'Koondalile megam vandu' sounds like Bilahari. Can anyone confirm this? The cascading swaras in the first line of the pallavi are so much in tune (oops!) with the lyrics. Any other recent songs in Bilahari?
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-5.rutgers.edu) on: Sun May 10 14:20:46 EDT 1998
  
  Diwakar,
  
  yes!!! "koondalile megam vandu" (from Baalanaagammaa) is Bilahari, perhaps the best film song ever set on this raga. I do not know if there are any other film songs based on bilahari
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Mon May 11 00:55:35 EDT 1998
  
  Saketh,
  
  I am also not sure if they was any Bilahari before this song. I guess there is Bilahari in Unnal Mudiyum Thambi. Koondalile is a good Bilahari. In Telugu film music, S.Rajeshwar Rao has scored an excellent Bilahai "Evaru Nerparamma". In fact in this song, the Bilahari is given a much lighter touch but the song is excellent.
  
  

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