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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: anon (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Thu Apr 16 15:03:06 EDT 1998
  
  Pal,
  
  I have no idea about links for this or other songs. (When Ramaswamy asked me for some songs, I had to tape them on a cassette and mail it to him, since I am very computer-illiterate!) But, H&M has a cassette version of this film available, I think. Go ahead and buy it. There are a couple of Asha Bhosle-SPB songs, one SPB and Chitra song in MMG (check out the interludes in that) and the song I mentioned above plus a couple more. All fabulous songs...
  
  
• From: anon (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Thu Apr 16 15:08:00 EDT 1998
  
  Pal,
  
  An amusing fact re. the tamil version Dharma Bhoomi that I just remembered. Guess who wrote the lyrics? Our own Diamond-Pearl! I found out about this just a few months ago when I caught the movie on TV in India.
  
  
• From: pal (@ c45220.ece.umn.edu) on: Thu Apr 16 19:16:32 EDT 1998
  
  anon,
  that is an eye-opener about the dubbing movies. I guess, the original artists ( I mean, the actors and MDs etc ) have no idea of what is happening in these shady dubbings. That probably explains the recording quality also.
  Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.
  
  Regarding the 'kungumam manjaLukku' , I somehow felt that it is closer to amruthavarshini. Especially the stanzas... I agree the pallavi does have Ri.
  
  Regarding the necessity to use dha because of any western compulsions, I couldnt figure out any necessity. Since Pa and Ni are there all the other notes are conveniently related by chords like Bminor, C, G, and Eminor.
  
  
• From: pal (@ c45220.ece.umn.edu) on: Thu Apr 16 19:17:19 EDT 1998
  
  I assumed that we are talking about kalyANi with Sa as C note.
  
  
• From: anon (@ ts14-12.slip.uwo.ca) on: Thu Apr 16 20:33:39 EDT 1998
  
  Pal,
  
  I am not an expert on western music. So please explain things to me like I am a kid! I think in western terminology, the song is in the E major key, as far I can tell. Based on that could you explain the chord stuff?
  
  What I meant by compositional expediency was roughly that in the antara, he arrives at a point where he uses:
  
  pa dha pa dha pa dha pa
  
  and this structure is similar to the pallavi structure. May be he put himself in a situation where he had to use this, and opted for a major combination pa-dha2 as opposed to pa-dha1...
  
  I guess I am confusing you by now...
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Apr 17 06:19:47 EDT 1998
  
  thoorathil naan kaNda un mugam - This is in the Ragam GOWRIMANOHARI......
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Apr 17 06:29:34 EDT 1998
  
  Kungumam Manchalukku - I definitely can't hear any Amrithavarshini touches there.....Thoongaatha Vizligal is in Amrithavarshini. IR has written many songs in this Ragam. I can't think of them off hand, but I did a radio programme, which consisted of 45 minutes of Amirthavarshini, and there have been some very new songs it it too. The scale is SGMPNS SNPMGS - No Rishabam.
  
  The Kalyani touch is definitely there in Kungumam Manchalukku....I think that that 'Rathnakanthi' is the best description for the Raga of that song. Thanks Hari Govindan and Ramaswamy.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Apr 17 08:55:37 EDT 1998
  
  I want to know the raga of the song 'RosAppu chinna rosAppu un pera chollum rosAppu' from the film 'sooriya vamsam'. The other day i had a chance to
  hear kunnakkudi vaidhyanathan play that song. He was able to bring more classics
  out of that song.
  
  
• From: pal (@ neptune.webvis.net) on: Fri Apr 17 15:00:40 EDT 1998
  
  anon,
  I assume E as sa for this song. THen the chords can be transposed to E,B,d#minor,g#minor. It is just mathematics...
  
  
• From: Hari (@ ts5-16.slip.uwo.ca) on: Fri Apr 17 22:53:16 EDT 1998
  
  Pal,
  
  Please, could you explain the notion of chords a little bit and what you mean by them being conveniently located because of the presence of Pa and Ni?
  Thanks.
  BTW, have you heard the veera thalattu song I mentioned earlier? Another dha varjya derivative...
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 123.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Apr 18 00:42:49 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Pal,
  The Chords you have put can you clarify on the whether they are inverstions or direct Key chords.
  
  I played the chords but it did not sound perfect. (might be the composer has composed without proper invertions)
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Anand (@ peso.ntu.ac.sg) on: Mon Apr 20 02:38:14 EDT 1998
  
  I think "Rosappu Chinna Rosappu" from SuryaVamsam has a touch of Abheri.
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu Apr 23 07:58:55 EDT 1998
  
  is the song by nithyasree "kannodu kanbathelam" based on abheri? if so, i can certainly think of a parallel between this and singaravelane vaa from konjum salangai where janaki burst into the tfm scene like a star. any comments on this?
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu Apr 23 07:59:52 EDT 1998
  
  is the song by nithyasree "kannodu kanbathelam" based on abheri? if so, i can certainly think of a parallel between this and singaravelane vaa from konjum salangai where janaki burst into the tfm scene like a star. any comments on this?
  
  
• From: T.MADHAN RAGHAVAN (@ 202.41.117.44) on: Thu Apr 23 12:30:56 EDT 1998
  
  Dear friends,
  
  I would like to know the raga of these songs,
  
  1.KALLELLAAM MAANIKKA KALLAAGUMAA
  
  2.THARAI MEL PIRAKKA VAITHHAAN, YENGALAI THANNEERIL MIDHAKKAVAITHHAAN.
  
  3.KODUTHHADHELLAAM KODUTHHAAN , ADHU YAARUKKAAGA KODUTHHAAN.
  
  4.HUMSE AAYA NA GAYA, THUMSE BULAA YAA NA GAYAA-
  THIS IS SUNG BY TALAT MAHMOOD.
  
  5.EK SHAHANSHAH SE BANWAAKEY HAMEY TAJ MAHAL -
  MOHD.RAFI AND LATA MANGESHKAR - THIS SONG CLOSELY SOUNDS LIKE IR's "VAIGARAYIL VAIGAI KARAYIL " FROM PAYANANGAL MUDIVADHILLAI - ARE BOTH SONGS BASED ON "PANTHU VARALI" ?
  
  MADHAN,GOA.
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-b-asy-15.rutgers.edu) on: Thu Apr 23 17:46:56 EDT 1998
  
  madhan raghavan,
  
  the last song (mohd. rafi and lata) is based on the raga Lalitha. i happened to listen to this song played on a indian classical music programme on the radio. compare with the famous lalitha song "idhazhil kadai ezhudhum neramidhu". also, i think the song "vaigaraiyil vagai karaiyil" is based on the raga subhapantuvaraali
  
  
• From: Mux (@ internet-gw1.hea.com) on: Thu Apr 23 18:35:35 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Madhan,
  
  1. Kallelaam is Mayamalava Gowlai.
  
  Mux
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 140.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri Apr 24 00:53:37 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Badri
  
  Your are right it is set in Abheri,
  Same as singaravellane vella...
  In fact few note formations are similar.
  
  The beats are continues and reminds me of
  Sembruthi poov --- song by IR.
  (only the beats)
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Apr 24 03:13:59 EDT 1998
  
  VAIGARAYIL VAIGAI KARAYIL - Subha Panthuvarali
  
  KANNODU - Is in Abheri, but is not at all a parallel to Singaravelane, just that they take the same ragam.....
  
  
• From: hari (@ ts9-10.slip.uwo.ca) on: Fri Apr 24 07:46:56 EDT 1998
  
  Ek Shahenshah is in raag Lalit. You get shades of vaigariyil because subha pantuvarali and Lalit are tonic equivalents, using pa of the latter as the former's sa. (Lalit uses both ma's but omits pa.)
  
  
• From: Ramkumar Perumanam (@ ants.lucent.com) on: Fri Apr 24 08:53:26 EDT 1998
  
  Hi All,
  
  Is the song 'Sitthagatthi pookkale sutthi vara
  parkudhe' (Film: Rajakumaran) is in Suddha Saveri
  ragam?
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Apr 24 11:00:52 EDT 1998
  
  Ramkumar: Yes Sitthagathi is in Suddha Saveri.....
  
  
• From: Natarajan (@ pryout.mecon.com) on: Fri Apr 24 15:50:16 EDT 1998
  
  I would like to know the ragas for following songs, please
  
  Vanaramaayiram (Janaki version) from Keladi Kanmani
  
  Pattu vanna selaikkari from Engoyo Ketta kural
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 85.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Apr 25 00:38:39 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Varanam1000 is NAYAKI
  
  Srikanth
  
  

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