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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: Ravi (@ tide74.microsoft.com) on: Thu May 4 13:41:11 EDT 2000
  
  I thought I would make the following suggstion. Dunno if it makes sense or not..
  
  Did you guys remember the way kasparov Vs. the world match was conducted? The expert panel of 3 (or 5 people) submitted their suggestion for the next move and all chess enthusiasts from all over the world voted for what they thought was the best move next. The move was based on the majority of public votes.
  
  We can adapt this to our situation. I say that let the experts panel vote on whether a song is copied or not( anonymously or otherwise, it doesn't matter, they'd give out a final decision with number of for Vs number of against votes).. Then we can let the other DFers decide on separately whether it is a copy or not. We can just display the experts decision(for Vs against) and also current vote of others take on this..
  
  Each one can base his/her decision on whatever he/she thinks is more valid - public opinion or experts opinion..
  
  However, some one has to prepare a web page for voting ( I saw someone do this for Top Ten List of songs long back). Obviously there are issues of multiple voting by the public etc., I have no idea how to block these ( using a username and password? Appuram anonymity poyidum). Namma oorula General Election-ke kalla vote podumpodhu, newtfmpage Rigging-kku kavalaippadalaamaa?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Thu May 4 13:52:14 EDT 2000
  
  Guys, though I can place things technically I could tell that thangath thAmarai was not an exact copy. So from the beginning I never used that word. I have said only source/inspiration etc. Anyways, thanks for clarifying. I will try to identify the beats myself. At the end, I am of the same opinion as RJAY i.e. ARR has heard this song before he composed thangath thAmari.
  
  (Athi, dude..bulletin boards are a virtual world. How did you dominate/assert yourself in school, work, home etc ? I am sure you did positively contribute in all these places. Do the same thing here and see for yourself you will feel good being here)
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 14:26:02 EDT 2000
  
  echo ..what you say is bucket of _bull_shift, I have never run away from an valid argument,. if you say what athi and you say as aruguments..
  I already told I dont match your skills.
  
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 14:29:46 EDT 2000
  
  also echo, I post only when you guys talk about me personally (eg:self claimed musicians)...
  i have never started anything personal..i try to defend myself from this cheap personal attack.
  
  dam...what the heck you are talking.
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu May 4 14:46:02 EDT 2000
  
  come on, u are telling more and more how bad u are. :)) anybody could write as bad as u written now, but i dont want.
  u go and check all ur postings.... most of them made to push ur head up.
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu May 4 14:49:04 EDT 2000
  
  let me tell u the latest, look at kiru-urs-arul-urs on "thangathamarai". didnt u escape? did u admit ur mistake?
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 14:52:03 EDT 2000
  
  echo, yes, I am try to tell something to a Deaf person..thats my mistake,
  
  also I feel (Athi and you) are same person.,...
  trying to freak out people here and
  also telling you more and more bad,..yes...
  I usally deal with people like you in this manner only...what do you except...dont expect more..thats all you will get.
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu May 4 14:58:27 EDT 2000
  
  he..he... u think u are best of every body and good musician urself, and get some jalra here. people say truth to u are deaf.... etc..etc... i can only laugh at u. :))
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 15:02:10 EDT 2000
  
  From: srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola51.sttl.uswest.net) on: Wed May 3 21:27:50 EDT 2000
  
  
  the beat cycle is completly different.
  arabic songs sounds like a 7/8 cycle ,
  thanga thamari is 4/4
  the first 3 notes are sa re2 ga1
  
  in the arbic song.. chord progression goes gminor and shifts to cm.
  
  thanga thamari has lot of major minor chords shifting, lots of variation, I dont think that they sound a link except for the first 3 sa re2 ga1, cannot be called as copy.
  
  The starting point uses cow bell sound migth make you think that they are alike.
  
  
  
  
  what the hell wrong in this
  
  sounds like a 7/8 cycle
  
  -- i was not sure from work, thats why i put it (sounds like),
  mr. Arul was kind enough to add some ears and nose to what I told.....I claimed to be 7/8....there is lot of differnce in both the words..claomed...i dont claim...as rajag told rupkam...i told it sounded 7/8 to me ...no big mistake deal ...no one is running away..........echo you are twisting words.....
  stop this crazy act.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu May 4 15:10:01 EDT 2000
  
  ok, i agree u said, "sounds like" not "is". but my ques is why should u make when u are not sure that too that soon. because every body here believe what u say (sounds or is or may be or should be) is correct. better u could have told it was not so, rather than saying i thought so.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 15:12:22 EDT 2000
  
  rajag and others told me they will get me a 5 star if i post first..
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 4 15:54:38 EDT 2000
  
  Ravi:
  
  Your post is excellent. bb, you may try to read through Ravi's post.
  
  ECHO:
  
  Please cool down. Let us clarify instead of piling mutual accusations. Some of us wanted to have a copied songs page. What do you want ? If you can vent out your opinions on what you want, we may discuss it here. Let us see if anything fruitful turns out.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Thu May 4 16:18:14 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth,
  
  Looks like you are playing right into the hands of ECHO. Just stop responding to his posts...
  
  Neenga eppavume seekiram unarchivasapattu vidugireergal. And ECHO is just using this to irritate you. Ignore him :-)))
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu May 4 16:36:35 EDT 2000
  
  srikanth,
  
  sorry for the "as srikanth claims". it should have been "as srikanth writes" or something like that. :-)) i am really sorry about this. (kAdhu mUkkellAm padaippadhAlE nAnum iRaivanE :-))) )
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 16:48:44 EDT 2000
  
  arul, Sorry i had to drag you into the picture...I had no other option left,
  I should gone home to write about this, oru enthula I posted....but vibareethama many things happened.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu May 4 16:53:35 EDT 2000
  
  :-)))
  
  i understand.
  
  
• From: Krishnamurthy (@ esboaah.ceatlabs.okstate.edu) on: Thu May 4 17:25:39 EDT 2000
  
  I can see that many (not all) here wants to portray himself/herself as one knowing more music - or atleast have been around 'talking' about music. And hence all the picking and fighting. I dont see any 'Discussion' going here, rather 'hey I know more than you' is whats keeping this forum alive. This is really not going to lead anyone to appreciate music better.
  People like srikanth and rjay have been very resourceful in that they have been writing a lot of technical funda many people are not aware of. Very educative. I would like to see 'participation' in the discussion and not just raising voices.
  
  
• From: Krishnamurthy (@ esboaah.ceatlabs.okstate.edu) on: Thu May 4 17:33:55 EDT 2000
  
  Music is not to debate but to enjoy. Everyone is born with a little musical ability. I strongly feel rest is all learnt. So when u learn something, u discuss it in forums like this and let everyone know your point of view. By this, many would come to see the side of music that they might have not seen. No one can 'claim' his musical knowledge is superior. This would mean that he enjoys music much more than anyone else.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Thu May 4 17:37:07 EDT 2000
  
  Krishnamurthy,
  the chaos in this forum is not because of people trying to show off their knowledge , but is due to a bunch of muck-heads with an inability to think, who post whatever comes to their mind s and expect others to accept that. just keep them on your Ignore list and u would be fine.
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 216.34.56.10) on: Thu May 4 19:21:38 EDT 2000
  
  I think this thread has gone for long.I think this thread has created more animosity than all other thraeds put together including the recently scrapped IR Vs ARR.Just what are we all trying to prove to each other-that copying is rampant in tfm?this is not something new-it is going to be part and parcel of tfm -only the degree and extent vary.EVERY MD IN ,I SHOULD SAY,INDIAN FILM MUSIC HAS COPIED.Then why shout hoarse at Deva alone.Do you think that the ordinary tfm fan is going to be least bothered that a particular song is original or Inspired or copied.as the poet said,thirudanaa paarthu thirundhavittal thiruttai ozhikka mudiyadhu.so guys,why dont all of you give it a break instead of shouting yourself hoarse.I think it will be in the best interest of the site to wind down this thread-dont even put it in the archives-some fellow will pull it down from the attic and the whole show will start again.As long as the music is good enjoy it!as some one had written,we all have become so paranoid about tfm any song i listen to now ,i subconciously start wondering whether i should wonder (this is not a typing error,I assure you all)whether this is a original or not.so,let tempers cool down a bit.think whether you really need a seperate website for copied songs and become laughing stock of entire world or prefer to remain a LS within confines of tamil koorum nallulagu!
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Thu May 4 20:02:32 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth,
  By any chance, do you stay in Chicagoland ? Do you work for Lucent at Naperville, IL ?
  
  

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