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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: suresh (@ dedicated-149.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 4 04:43:15 EDT 2000
  
  Hi Athi
  
  I don't quite understand what your grouse is about. Is it because you weren't included in the 'expert group' or personal angst you hold against the members of the group from your past arguments?
  As someone who's been a participant in TFM for the last 3 years, I can vouch (for myself and a few other fellow DFers) for the impeccable credentials of Srikanth, MS, RajaG, rJay et al. Not that I've met them or exchanged personal notes or whatever, but it's just a shared sense of respect or friendship that you develop over a period of time as you understand each one's personality even when they remain faceless entitities (to me).
  
  I've had innumerable tiffs with Srikanth; still don't miss a chance to spar with him whenever I chance upon an IR-attack, but that doesn't alter the high esteem I have for his musical knowledge and his fine temperament. Similarly, each of the others may have their own biases as all of us are wont to have, but to question their motives is sheer bad taste. I'm sure that just as each of us have our own professional lives to conduct, this forum gives us an invaluable virtual platform to engage in active and stimulating discussions over TFM. I personally have learnt a lot about the finer aspects of music from your 'so-called, self-proclaimed, self-certified..' experts.. Nobody here stops you from rebutting any specific technical aspect raised by them, please do so.
  
  Pardon me if I mention that I picture you in fist-clenching fury as you typed your mail. As long as a good number (shall I say majority) of people who frequent this forum have no issues in such an initiative taking shape, I don't see why you must take it upon yourself to announce unilateral 'fatwa's.
  
  I hope a time comes when you realise how unreasonable and unfortunate your utterances have been..
  
  
• From: sdf (@ 192.135.245.144) on: Thu May 4 07:23:57 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth & group,
  Please don't get offended with these kind of
  postings, keep going with your good work.
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ qdsl153.sttl.uswest.net) on: Thu May 4 10:03:42 EDT 2000
  
  
  From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Wed May 3 12:16:05 EDT 2000
  
  I would suggest to use a common name instead of individuals, we should not list everyones name, I am saying this to avoid some trouble when we go back to India. (I intend to go back...who knows the future)
  
  Especially musicians like us wil be troubled later, the politics they play there is so bad,
  we are going to clean a gutter so we should be careful we are not counter attacked by germs and what not that comes out of the gutter.
  
  Please dont brand me that I am afraid (if you see i am the one who have trashed deva more:) , it is to safe guard us in the long run.
  
  Any suggestions,
  
  
  
  Things are starting to ignite, this means we are doing something good.
  
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ qdsl153.sttl.uswest.net) on: Thu May 4 10:10:31 EDT 2000
  
  
  This is a free discussion forum and please
  do not pollute this place. For asala nakala, calling yourself as expert group and for passing judgement on others.. please
  have your own e-mail lists or go to other sites and do such things there.
  
  Athi
  
  btw: Athi do you own this newtfmpage.com,
  you are talking as though you own it,
  please read your great posting once again...we did this because this is free discussion forum.
  
  you also start something and go ahead..who is going to stop you,
  
  This will be the last time i will be answering you.
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Thu May 4 10:28:00 EDT 2000
  
  Athi: Nobody said that you cannot post here or this thread is no longer going to be active. You are welcome to have a field day identifying or defending copies here or anywhere. The initiative a few of us are championing is separate and involves more than merely accusing such and such MD has copied from such and such original (or suttuttaan, thirudittaan, adichchuttaan, lifted, flicked - pick your choice of word here). And what is wrong with a selective consensus deciding if it is so or not. Do you want to be part of that group ? Welcome. Please provide what you think is a copy or what is not (preferably with RA/MP3 links) as "kiru" has done earlier. Whether you like it or not, and despite your posts, this effort has always existed - we are just trying to add some discipline to the modus operandi.
  
  Kiru: I would have ordinarily said 'I agree with Srikanth's observation on Nssi Nssi' but as you see from some of the posts above that there are some DFers who are 'kind' enough to observe that my agreement with Srikanth is solely based on a 'clique' mentality and there is'nt an iota of possibility that both of us could be individually right. So here is my independent observation:
  
  Some of the instruments used (cow bells, accordion) in Nssi Nssi have been used in thanga thaamarai. It is possible that ARR has heard this original and has been tempted to use similar combination of instruments to create a similar mood song. However, a) the beat pattern is different (3/4 in Nssi Nssi vs. 4/4 in TTM- there Athi, see I am capable of a separate and independent opinion from Srikanth) b) the notes used (and consequently the chords) are also different.
  
  I would use this as an example for inspired/impressed but definitely NOT a copy
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 4 11:09:57 EDT 2000
  
  hello Athi, murli:
  
  neenga sonna coreetaa thaan irukkum :-) Athi, you donot trust any of us because you donot know any of us. I had been here for more than two years and most of us have become good friends. Beleive me, rajaG had been just kind enough in naming me in the group. I would rather sit outside and voice my ideas than get into this because I SURE do know that my level of knowledge in music is miniscular when comapred with their knowledge. As suresh observed, he had been one of the biggest rivals of Srikanth in the DF. We have had had the hottest of the arguements with the mutual respect very much conserved.
  
  Talking about jalra: Murli, neenga Athi kku jalra adikkum pOthu, naan srikanthukku adikka koodaatha ? :-) I mean no offense. It is not flattery but a whole hearted appreciation for a person's qualifications.
  
  Murli, believe me, nobody is dominating here. It is the content of the posts of a person that speaks for him. To you it appears we have declared a group ourselves. To me it appears that Srikanth and rajaG are talented. To you it appears as if I am a sycophant. To me it appears you are suffering from an apparent complex. It is just a different perception (or paranoia to put it sharp). If you are interested please contribute else please donot hinder.
  
  Regards
  
  MS
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu May 4 12:03:06 EDT 2000
  
  kiru,
  
  bakhta from nssi nssi doesn't sound like thangath thAmarai magaLE. the beat pattern seems to be 6/8 (not 7/8 as srikanth claims) and just the "texture" :-) might be similar. this is my view.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Thu May 4 12:19:06 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG, am I glad you left my name out :-))))))))))
  
  Athi/Murli:
  Opposing opinions like your's are very important to ensure that rajaG's efforts are not trivialized. If anything, your opposition only further validates their idea of a selective group. It is already becoming obvious that had you been in that group, you would have wasted everyone's efforts in placating you over every copy of Ilaiyaraaja's. Go on make my day - respond to this post and reiterate why guys like you should be left out of any group that intends to do anything constructive :-)
  
  Srikanth/rajaG:
  With your kind permission, my jing-chak jing-chaks to you :-)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Thu May 4 12:23:22 EDT 2000
  
  "We have become cops and enjoying music
  has taken a back seat" - Well said, Srikanth!
  Let the cop sit in the back seat and the
  musician take over the driving!
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Thu May 4 12:36:01 EDT 2000
  
  arul, i did not claim..I just put it "sounds like to me". that too I heard it from work!...yesterday.
  I will hear it again when time permits., but the fact is it not a lift.
  
  Srinath
  if you had seen he says no has spoken about copying till now, this shows our friend is very new here
  I still remember how we used to post about deva copying (ofcourse arr/ir copying), if he had read the history which vijay digged out, he would understood, I dont have a need to post here in my tight schedule, it IS the people! (like suresh, vijay, bb, rajag, ms, sri, kiru, arul, rjay and other good friends) here generates more interest in me to contribute here, I wish Mr.Athi understands it.
  Murali, no one dominates or IMHO no one can dominate anyone..., if you could join the fun, you are welcome.
  
  
  sri, also thanks for the jalra :)))))
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Thu May 4 13:33:34 EDT 2000
  
  If u guys believe or not this forum is owned/utilized by only the people who athi mentioned, thats a shame. the claimed qualification 2+ years here.... :)) these people join together to tease any body or particularly somebody. this is shame no. 2. srikanth u always bounce whenever u see some posting which is against ur bias, and escape "this is the last time" when u were not able to argue. if u feel urself as niraigudam why should u try to each and every posting and try to escape when u cant? no certificate is required for u other than ur works. and ppl like rajag and ms (srinath dont feel u are missed, u are part of like) everytime supporting him, to get a praise or recognition, losing their originality. why should be like this?
  Democracy is being lost here. groupism always spoils the good views. for admin, i would say just start a special page and let the ppl decide if at all u wanna to keep egalitarianism.
  
  

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