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Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy (The Golden Era of TFM)

Topic started by Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on Tue Dec 10 00:50:43 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

TFM really took a turn with the arrival of this duo to the field. While TFM has been in existence before Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy, it is after their debut that TFM really kicked off.

Songs pre-VR suffered an early death even by the 60s, whereas VR songs are most popular even today, some 40 years later.

Added to their success story is the fact that nearly ALL their songs became popular and still remain so. This is no mean achievement with no other MD having ever reached their success rate.

Let us use this thread to recollect, remininse and celebrate this great duo and their contributions to TFM.
Hope to get interesting quips from knowledgeable people like Manisegaran, Sathya Keerthi, Saravanan, Uthaya, OISG etc etc.

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Responses:

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• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Thu Dec 12 01:23:59 EST 2002
  
  Mani S
  
  Wasn t Kalangarai Vilakkam the first movie of MSV after the split.
  
  Can you confirm this inside story?
  the peace arrangement was worked out and it was agreed that MSV would do MGR movies and TKR Sivji movies (for eg Thanga Churangam).But Kovai Chezhiyan who produced "Ooti Varai Uravu" and Sridhar insisted on MSV doing this Sivaji film.The rest is history now.I heard this from one of Sridhar s unit.
  
  Taht violin accopmpaniment ..yes that was missing.But MSV tried some western violin types in "Anbulla Maan Vizhiye","Mella poo mella poo" immediately after the split.
  
  As someone mentioned MSV was a tune machine..TKR was the guiding force.
  
  
• From: jagan (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Thu Dec 12 02:53:15 EST 2002
  
  How can one forget Nenjam Marapadiillai!!. The haunting title song with extremely balanced orch'stration!!!.Believe it took about 6 odd months for MSV to compose and finalise the pallavi of this song... Great contributors to TFM
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.247) on: Thu Dec 12 04:41:54 EST 2002
  
  Aalavanthaan,
  for(i=0;i { cout<<"I am 18";
  }
  hehe :) ..... neways pazhagi poachu! ;)
  
  ingey tamizh patru jaasthi pola irukku......La vara idathilum "zha" poadareenga ..... O Podu! :D
  
  as i asked earlier....is Uyarntha manithan by VR??
  
  jus curious......wat is that Ramanna (??) film starin Sivaji....music by TKR.....it has a song picturised inside a well :)) ... pretty funny
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.247) on: Thu Dec 12 04:44:50 EST 2002
  
  err.....thats supposed to be a C++ codin :D .... interpreted in a nonsensical manner! ..... here lemme try again ....
  
  
  Aalavanthaan,
  for(i=0;i
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.247) on: Thu Dec 12 04:45:52 EST 2002
  
  no good....4get it! :)
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Thu Dec 12 05:39:32 EST 2002
  
  C~P:
  
  >>for(i=0;i { cout<<"I am 18";
  }
  <<
  
  aama enne thambhi neengha C++, while loop condition ellam post panreengha , u 4got decalre i, as an integer, hehe :))
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.61.221) on: Thu Dec 12 07:11:10 EST 2002
  
  Sabs, it was actually 1.15 am when I was posting that one. :)
  BTW, unga oor padumosam. :)
  
  Kupps-Anne
  If you want to be technically correct according to Murasu Anjal, then your line should read...
  
  ALavandhAn it is "thiruviLaiyAdal" nIngaLum kavundhutIngaLe
  
  Heeheehee. :)
  BTW, Muthaitharu is the first ever rap song in the world! :)
  
  C~P, enakkoru unmai therinjaaganum......
  (Raghu will tell you what movie that dialogue is from) :)
  
  Manisegaran saar, thanks for the information.
  Neengal oru aalkadal, innum konjam muthu vendumey. :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Thu Dec 12 07:23:35 EST 2002
  
  Aalavandhan,
  
  i cannot/should not spell your name different from what you do. I don't know whether your name (here) is AaLavandhaan (came to rule) or aalavandhaan (banyan came). But thiruviLayaadal is not so.
  
  ;-)
  
  aana oNNu neenga aalkadal-nu aendha aal-la kuRipidareeengannu naan kaetkkamaattaen ;-)
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.61.221) on: Thu Dec 12 07:33:12 EST 2002
  
  Sorry for being Nakkeeran Kupps. Ithai neenga gavannikkalaye?
  
  Kupps: ThiruviLaiyaadal (TECHNICALLY WRONG)
  Me: thiruviLaiyAdal
  Kupps: neengaLum (TECHNICALLY WRONG)
  Me: nIngaLum
  Kupps: kavundhuteengaLae (TECHNICALLY WRONG)
  Me: kavundhutIngaLe
  
  Heeheehee. :)
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.61.221) on: Thu Dec 12 07:34:45 EST 2002
  
  >>>> aana oNNu neenga aalkadal-nu aendha aal-la kuRipidareeengannu naan kaetkkamaattaen <<<<<
  
  Since, I don't follow Murasu Anjal format in my transliterated Tamil, this one does not apply to me. :)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.129.181.69) on: Thu Dec 12 07:35:44 EST 2002
  
  hello.... can someone here teach "Aalavandhaan" tamil pls.... ellathiyum thappu thappaaa solraar :-).....
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Thu Dec 12 08:04:32 EST 2002
  
  Sabesan;
  
  Aalavdhan, aazha vara villai, azhikathaan vantharu, hence he should called "Azhikavandhan", hehe
  
  just kidding, no offence meant :))
  
  
• From: mm (@ 202.184.173.62) on: Thu Dec 12 20:34:13 EST 2002
  
  test
  
  
• From: For Manisekaran (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Fri Dec 13 01:43:01 EST 2002
  
  OISG
  
  Nee was certainly the first film after the split. Kalangarai Vilakkam was the immediate next, so much so that many even quoted the film as a work of MSV and TKR.
  
  
  
  I am unable to say anything about the peace formula that you had mentioned. All I know is MSV scored for all actors. It was MGR who selected the MDs for his films.
  
  
  
  TKR went for second level stars. Thanga Churangam may be the only exception.
  
  
  
  In the case of Sridhar, he started off with AM Raja-Kalyana Parisu, Then Nilavu and Vidivelli. But after Then Nilavu they split and Sridhar went for two permanent features- MSV-TKR for Music and Kannadasan for lyrics. Nenjil Ore Aalayam and Kathalikka Neramillai, Nenjam Marappathillai.(Amaradeepam and Meenda Sorgam may be exceptions)
  
  
  
  When MSV and TKR split off, Sridhar went for MSV- Nenjrukkum Narai, Ootty Varai Uravu, Avalukkenru Oru Manam, Sivantha Mann etc.
  
  
  
  In all his films he retained kannadasan as the permanent song writer. Sriddar even delayed Nenjam Marappathillai by 30 days, as that was the time taken by Kannadasan to write the songs for the film. Even when MGR and Kannadasan were not in talking terms, Sridhar quietly arranged for Kannadasan to write the song VIZHIYE KATHAIU EZHUTHU. MGR noticed the style and asked Sridhar if it was the work of Kannadasan. Sridhar admitted, and MGR asked Sridhar to use Kannadasan and give acknowledgement in the film.
  
  
  
  However, In azhage Unnai Arathikkiren Sridhar could not use Kannadasan as kannadasan had gone on a foreign tour.
  
  
  
  When MSV was completely phased off Sridar had no choice but to use Ilayaraja- Ilamai oonjalaadukirathu.
  
  
  
  In the case of Ooty Varai Uravu, Sridhar insisted on Kannadasan and MSV. Originally Jayalalitha was booked for OOty Varai Uravu. But teaming up with MGR she developed cavalier attitude and was very adamant and uncooperative. That triggered off the anger of Sridhar and so he went for KR Vijaya. Not only that. In the anger he insisted on a colour film. That bitterness was reflected when Jayalalitha refused to invite Sridhar for the marriage of her adopted son Sudagaran. When Sridhar commented, Jayalalitha even went ahead to say that it was not Sridhar who introduced her to film world and that she had acted earlier in a Kannada film. I still wonder what that film could have been.
  
  
  
  
  
  The film was a good hit-songs, comedy, scenery etc. When TS Palaiya passed away,at the memorial service held, Sridhar quoted Palaiya's superp performance in this film.
  
  
  
  As for the songs-
  
  
  
  1. Poo Maalayil Ore Malligai Ingu Naanthaan Then Enrathu
  
  
  
  2. Puthu Nadakathil Oru Naayagi Oru Naal Mattum Nadikka vanthaal
  
  
  
  3. Angey maalai Mayakkam yaarukkaaka
  
  
  
  4. Thedinen Vanthathu Nadineen Thanthathu
  
  
  
  5. happy INtu Muthal happy
  
  
  
  6. Rajarajashree Rajan Vanthaan, Raaja Yogam Thara Vanthaan
  
  
  
  7. Yarodum Pesakkodathu- Aagattum
  
  
  
  Sorry a long explanation.
  
  Aalavanthaan,thanks for the compliments. Please also note that there are a few more Aalkadals here. I am only the coastal waters.
  
  Vanakkam
  
  
  
  Manisekaran
  
  
• From: Sreedhar (@ 24.30.132.23) on: Fri Dec 13 02:13:59 EST 2002
  
  hi Manisekaran,
  Did the song
  7. Yarodum Pesakkodathu- Aagattum
  not appear in the film? I saw a video of 'Ooty varai Uravu' and this song was not in it. All the others were there. Was it picturized on Muthuraman and Y. Vijayalakshmi?
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.104) on: Fri Dec 13 04:53:35 EST 2002
  
  Raghu,
  >>u 4got decalre i, as an integer, <<
  ohh....dats y the code din compile!! :)
  
  Aalavanthan,
  Raghu will only know dialogues from sigaram,keladi kanmani,kaathalan and few other films ....not from muthal mariyaathai ;) :)
  NOM!
  btw....naan intha tamizh vilayaatukku varala....dont capitalise n,l etc etc in my posts!
  
  where has sharmaji absconded?? :-/
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 195.188.191.69) on: Fri Dec 13 13:06:16 EST 2002
  
  'ulgam engum orE mozhi' in 'nAdOdi' had great violin pieces. It was scored by MSV after the split.
  
  
• From: Ali (@ 24.102.31.216) on: Fri Dec 13 14:02:34 EST 2002
  
  Hey guys,
  
  If it's possible, can anyone please provide items or links to interviews about what MSV and IR have said regarding Shankar - Jaikishan. It would really be appreciated.
  
  Thanks !
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Fri Dec 13 14:36:36 EST 2002
  
  SL: please email me your contact info.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Dec 15 03:20:30 EST 2002
  
  SL
  
  On MSV s Pallavi composing I would like your comments on "Poga Poga theiryum" from Server Sundaram.I hear 3 different pallavis which any other MD might have created 3 different songs.
  
  Mani Sekaran and Balaji thanks.
  
  
• From: rs (@ 203.124.0.246) on: Sun Dec 15 08:47:24 EST 2002
  
  I thought that an earlier posting I made in the forum can be added to this interesting thread:
  
  
  There is a general tendency to not give due credit to TKR for the VR compositions. I share herewith some interesting news in this ongoing saga.
  
  I recently bought a tamil book called Thirai Isai Alaigal, written by Vamanan. In the chapter on VR, Vamanan quotes TMS in tamil:"During the VR era, TKR also had a significant role in composing mettus for the lyrics, and MSV allowed this. That was the reason why the songs composed by VR are such great hits". TMS further indicates that TKR possesed a mastery of the 72 melakarthas.
  
  In the same chapter, Madurai GS Mani, who played in the VR orchestra, says that the challenges posed by Hindi songs among the tamil public during the late 1950s and early 1960s could only be met by MSV-TKR.
  
  In another section of the chapter, TKR complains that there was a conspiracy, after his split from MSV, to keep him out of tamil film music. He mentions that false rumours were spread by vested interests, obviously alluding to hearsay that MSV was the dominant partner in the VR combination. He mentioned that he was unable to understand why the tamil film industry did not make use of his talents.
  
  While VR were in Singapore in 1999 for felicitations for their contributions to TFM, a souvenir magazine was released by the sponsors, GMT jewellers. In a remark referring to the VR days, TKR indicates that they worked as an inseparable duo. In the same issue, Music Director, Arvind Siddharta extols the virtues of the duo and quotes KVM as saying," In making a song appealing to the masses, there is no equal to VR".
  
  A famous playback singer who has sung several songs for the duo personally confided in me that during the VR days, TKR also handled the orchestration.
  
  One could see a distinct difference in the compositions of MSV after his separation from TKR. The VR compositions are definitely superior in terms of orchestration and sweetness of the songs.
  
  After the duo rejoined sometime in 1994, they composed for the film, Engiruntho Vanthan. You should hear the songs in that film, especially the title sung by SPB - it is an amazing melody and, in my opinion, is the best and most difficult song sung by SPB. Even Anantha Vikatan {or is it Kumudam?)favourably commented on this song and the other songs in the film. Compare the songs in this film, where MSV and TKR composed music together, with the other films in the 1990s that MSV composed on his own --irumbu pookal, avasara polis, gnanapaarvai, pathini pen, jodi senthachu, silambu, aerikarai poongatre, neenga nala irukanum, thool parakuthu, kaathal mannan, etc. You could see a dramatic difference-- the less said about those MSV songs, the better.
  
  On a logical basis, the VR combination which went strong for nearly 14 years. could not have stuck if it was just a one man show!
  
  Let's give TKR his due credit.
  
  Granted MSV is great, but let's not belittle Ramamoorthy's contribution in the VR music. Together, they produced the golden era of tfm.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.66.194.9) on: Sun Dec 15 13:55:13 EST 2002
  
  rs,
  Admire your post's tone and content. But while extolling TKR's virtues you have unnecessarily knocked MSV's later compositions. Check out "nitham nitham en kannoadu inbak kanaa" from Kootup Puzhukkal from 89 or 90. MSV had his musical faculties fully together even then.
  
  One of the telling distinctions for me between a VR composition and an MSV composition is the background violin. Listen to "Athaan en athaan", the violin in the background is mind-blowing. This I believe is a VR composition. VR songs also came with other unique stamps that I haven't found anywhere else. Check out "Kattoadu Kuzhalaada Aada", the percussions were astounding in this tune, but what puts it over the top is the chorus humming "aadaa" which almost pauses the sandham and yet stretches it enough to a melodic enjoyment. VR songs also had a tremendous use of Jazz, especially many popular LRE tunes for them. The wailing trumpet and other brass sounds in "viswanathan vaelai vaendum" were signature big-band jazz sounds.
  
  TKR did some fabulous compositions on his own in movies like "Marakkamudiyumaa". The difference was that his movies didn't score in the box office and his alcoholism and people skills may not have been the best for him to succeed like MSV.
  
  

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