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Technical Skills of the MDS

Topic started by Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-126.il.us.ibm.net) on Sat Aug 15 21:37:27 EDT 1998.
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Hi,
In here I wish to compare the technical skills of the MDS - more on ARR and IR What are reasons for ARR being called a technician. Eg: Recording - Raja has used one of the best studio in the country Prasad, which has a clavier recording console (there are only 10-15 of them in the world.) M.Jacksons records uses that. So gadgets wise all the MDS use the same gigs but why ARR's output is crystal clear, Shall we discuss.
(PS: Please do make this into a arr vs IR war)

Srikanth.

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• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Aug 20 10:30:47 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  "But Arr tries many jazz chords which Raja has not experimented as his
  was forced to stick to this "gramia" base, a village song always ended up in a tabla and a flute. "
  
  can U please enlighten me on the above mentioned jazz chords?Are U referring to any song in particular?Also give me the details of the chord progression for that song/songs.
  
  There are a lot of folk songs of IR which have some trendy beats(eg sorgame endrallum) which has some out of the world chord progression.Have U by any chance listened to "vandade" from "kizhaku vasal"?I can give U a zillion examples of this kind.
  
  "IR's lacks technical knowledge and if he does not concetrate on the recording, will force people not to hear his scores."
  
  I take it from your statement that you are or I would say people will not hear IR songs b'cause his recording is poor and this is the same set of people who have been swayed by IR for all these years.I am not an IR fan.I am not obsessed with his music but to make such sweeping statements makes a mockery of this thread.
  
  U seem to indicate in your first posting that U do'nt want this to be an IR/ARR war but U have dragged into one.Lets get technical.Lets not generalize.
  
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 207.122.201.66) on: Thu Aug 20 11:00:33 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Anand,
  
  The reason I starting this thread:
  I spoke with many TFM fans. Majority of them told me Rajas recording is very poor, who will hear his songs, all of the preferred ARR, mainly his music is modern! (Not to me) and his recording his ultimate.
  I argued with them for a while telling them about raja’s scores etc, though they heard it, majority of them had the same opinion on Raja’s recording.
  
  hence I have full validity on my statement – Raja has to check his output quality in order that others hear his music, else he will be at home,
  “AAL PADI ADAI PATHI” –, how every good is your score you recording has be good else no one will hear it.
  Can some one answer this below:
  What limits or prevents Raja form using modern recording facilities?
  
  I can give a note how ARR records, I have seen and heard about this, this is also a reason why ARR is slow in his production.
  ARR first records the entire track using the keyboard. Later invites one artist after other and records their part individually - Individual attention is better than Goombaloooda govinda.
  This enables him to check each track very clearly, for vocals he does the same exercise.
  Records line by line sometimes word by word. I once saw him recorded 20 bits of a line and picked the best in that. There is big misnorm that ARR means only keyboard, he uses acoustics very much. The vandematram is composed with a 12-string guitar, a bass guitar and an alto sax and vocals.
  I don’t know why Raja does not show any attention in his output – he should adapt to the individual track recording with which he can give a better quality than what it is now.
  Enai thalata varuvayooo sounds like an individual track recording.
  If he does not do it, at least he has to talk with the Sound Engineers who would be ready to help him
  Also, No producer dares to tell raja his recording is poor. Someone should bell the cat.
  
  Regarding the Jazz chord progression I will give it when I go home this evening. I need my Keyboard for that.
  
  No one wants to discuss why Raja is not ready to improve his recording quality,, we will do it instead of ARR vs Raja fight.
  
  D.Srikanth
  
  
• From: Ramanan (@ faraday.bfsec.bt.co.uk) on: Thu Aug 20 11:24:15 EDT 1998
  
  srikanth: Can i also trouble you through email for some fundas on music ?. Naraya vishayam therinju vechu irukkenga. thanks for the high standard of discussion in this thread.
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-78.intrex.net) on: Thu Aug 20 11:28:50 EDT 1998
  
  Srikanth, Anand, Udhaya and others
  
  looks like no one in the industry is going to tell IR about his techo lack.
  As IR's ardent fans can we help him and TFM in anyway. How about this(might sound really crazy, but if there is a start somewhere we might landup doing it well), Why dont we all send IR(probably someone in chennai cud help us out) some excerpts from this thread and make him realize that so many of his fans are waiting and longing to see him back in action with some fantastic recording.
  Again iam saying this might sound absurd but definetly the message wud reach him. We need not even send it to IR, we can atleast get some magazine publish our threads and can awaken the thoongi kondirukkum singam.
  
  I mean it guys we can try this out.
  
  From one O.E. Fan of IR and OOOEE fan of TFM and good music.
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Aug 20 11:39:51 EDT 1998
  
  This might not be related to this thread but in prespective the acceptance of ARR is more due his ability to bring out good melodies rather than his recording capabilities.Agreed he shows keen interest in sampling sound but the overall success is his ability to generate popular melodies.Without that he will fall flat.
  The other day I was listening to an album "Daud".It was one of ARR's many hindi ventures.recording was awesome.Infact I recently purchased a Bose Acoustimas-6 and it sounded great.But the album on the whole was pathetic.He tried generating new kinds of sounds but it was terribly sorry.U need to have the fundas.
  ARR can still be popular even if he resorts to IR kind of recording but still produce nice melodies.
  Bottom line is melody to an Indian ear.We still have vividh Bharathi in AM mono!!How many people in India have Hi-fi systems.A lot of'em hear music thru radio or TV.None of the recording capabilities can be discerned thru AM mono broadcasting.
  To make a long story short,ARR's success is partially due to refreshing melodies and some great promos.
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Aug 21 00:53:03 EDT 1998
  
  srikanth,
  u had said "No producer dares to tell raja his recording is poor. Someone should bell the cat."
  
  I think directors like Rajiv anchal , priyadharshan , Maniratnam and Fazil seems to have stressed more on recording quality.
  This is very evident from the recording quality of albums like GURU, Kaalapani, Dhalapathi and KM.
  
  I think directors like kasturi raja and others of his kind want IRs name in the title and they don't expect quality music from him (but the fact that Naattupura paatu ran for that one song, is a diff story) and finish the recording as soon as possible and release the movie.
  Vasu in one of his interviews said ,it took just 30 minutes for IR to compose the songs of chinnathambi.The recording must've also been done hastily. that's probably the reason for his not being a techie .
  
  Not only IR u can find a lot of differences in the recording of Aasai/nerukku ner and other movies of Deva.
  
  ARR has also done music for some low profile movies like pavithra and ivargal innaaattu mannargal. Check the sound/recording quality there.
  They r not up to the mark.
  IMO, the importance the director gives for sound quality is what matters and not the "interest" of the MD.
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Aug 21 01:19:14 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  if we consider technology as omniscient then we end up becoming a slave to it.
  
  on the other hand, if we treat it as an enemy then we would retreat into the dark ages.
  
  technology is a tool to make our job easier and make us more productive and that's it.
  
  let us go back 30 years when there was no concept of track and everytime someone made a mistake everybody had to play all over again. with track technology, it was possible for just the concerned artiste to set his mistake right just in the place where the mistake occurred and the others can go ahead doing their other jobs. that is the boon of technology.
  
  "ranjayiti raga" ie music must be melodious and sweet to the ears. if technology can help in facilitating this fundamental requirement of music then it is fine. but if it is going to make composing difficult and complex then it will be meaningless.
  
  i read in this thread about an analogy to computers and that prompted me to look at technology in a different perspective. everybody will agree that client server and gui technology have come to stay and will rule the roost but let us just take the example of CRS computerised reservation system in indian railways.it is a character based application where the user has just need to press the enter or the tab key to navigate between the various blocks and fields and complete the transaction in a minute. if this were to be migrated to gui for better look and feel , it will be ages before he completes one transaction because of mouse navigation and scroll bar use et al.
  
  technology therefore must address business needs and in the music business it should aid composing and recording not dominate it.
  
  
  
• From: SATHISH (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Aug 21 06:26:43 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Friends
  
  In order to give a fitting reply to the above
  questions, Raja is going to introduce DTS with a virtual sound quality for the first time in India
  for the forthcoming Amritraj Solomon movie
  "Athisiyam"
  
  
• From: Aakash (@ 206.217.81.244) on: Fri Aug 21 16:33:15 EDT 1998
  
  To Satish:
  
  Ratchakan, Jeans were both in dts.
  
  
• From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu) on: Fri Aug 21 19:57:45 EDT 1998
  
  Aakash:
  
  'dEvadhai' also has DTS (music by Ilaiyaraaja),
  but SATHISH is saying something new, DTS with
  virtual sound quality. Anybody know about VSQ?
  
  
• From: Mano (@ gaff148.watstar.uwaterloo.ca) on: Fri Aug 21 20:42:07 EDT 1998
  
  I believe that Dolby Digital is superior to DTS.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-67.il.us.ibm.net) on: Fri Aug 21 23:26:27 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Jeans is supposed to be DTS, Kamal's Kuruthi Ponal is in Dolby surround sound.
  
  Dolby will give you a great dimention in sound, for example if a scene is spread across the screen- you will be able hear the sound from thier positions, the sound pans along the origin.
  You can also hear others sound not concerning the scene (like a car passing by) sound will travel in the direction which the car goes.
  
  DTS is digital, it is played from a CD. The recording has to be mastered on a CD, the DTS player (S60) will be in sync with the movie projector, 2 or 3 cds make a movie sountrack
  DTS basically has a 6-channel configuration: Left, center, right, left surround, right surround and subwoofer. It has a digital output for the DSP (digital signal processor) processors.
  Provides all the advantages of digital equalization as well as low noise level distortion through digital processing.
  
  DTS is as powerfull and clear as Dolby Digital, Many DVDs comes with DTS sound.
  
  Virtual DTS - I have not heard about it,
  vist http://www.dtstech.com for more info.
  
  Srikanth
  
  

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