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why should'nt IR be called ''THE'' indian film music composer of the century

Topic started by k.arunprakash (@ 213.17.49.218) on Wed Jan 23 06:17:52 EST 2002.
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the only composer with incredible versatality,matchless in quality,i think he should be rated as ''THE'' indian film composer of the century.what do u feel guys?

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• From: Sridhar (@ 203.197.182.44) on: Mon Jan 28 12:52:41 EST 2002
  
  WhyNot
  
  Do you JAM a lot? You should. Your sense of humour is amazing!
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Mon Jan 28 15:31:05 EST 2002
  
  The way IR fans go on touting him as infinitely better than anyone else .... is stupid and narrow-minded. i understood my stupidity and narrow mindedness. he is only finitely better than everyone else. thanks for pointing this out.
  
  vettuppacangka.
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.188.243) on: Tue Jan 29 10:32:55 EST 2002
  
  This stupid topic is still oing on?
  
  Why don't all the HCIRF's build a temple for IR, do poojais 24 times a day and spare us.
  
  PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Jan 29 23:38:07 EST 2002
  
  well...this thread had a potential to become a geniune discussion thread.
  
  when i say why shouldn't IR be called THE MD of the century of IFM we could have discussed a lot about Naushad, G.Ramanathan, MSV-TKR(MSV), S.D.Burman, C.Ramchandra, KVM and many vis-a-vis IR. There might be many postings with a colour of insulting others' postings and other MDs but we could have always omit such postings and could have marched towards a decent discussion. But this discussion, right from the beginning proved to be a discussion about why shouldn't HCXFs be called as "THE" muddleheads or whatever it is. It is very sad.
  
  Agreed that already there were many discussion about most of these MDs. If that is the case we could have given a decent expiration to this thread instead of this infighting.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Wed Jan 30 20:49:36 EST 2002
  
  >>>how pious and holy you sound whynot-I almost would have beleived you-since it was you who made me lose my cool (and a few other really indecent statements from ARR fans)I had to fish from archives for your previous postings-read them and enjoy-and try to stay true to what you have typed above!<<<<
  Yaaro, I just had the misfortune of stumbling upon some of your own VERY DECENT statements in the "New Releases by ARR" thread. I'll bother to post here only ONE such post, which I believe is sufficient.
  
  >>>From: yaaro (@ 152.163.194.188) on: Sat Jan 26 05:04:21 EST 2002
  
  
  ARR -is indeed unmatched in
  recycling
  handing out second rate stuff to you poor guys
  avoiding doing bgm's
  having done the least no of movies for someone called the busiest md in film scene!<<<<
  
  And u go round and round raving and ranting about ARR fans making indecent statements and making u lose your cool. Sad.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 30 22:49:08 EST 2002
  
  Kupps - If your genuine interest was a discussion was a discussion of Merits of other MDs as well, and then crown a Composer of the Century after all the VIEWS were in - why did you nominate Illaiyaraja in your heading? This only leads to the divisive IR-ARR ad-nauseum (and always predictable) fan ravings...All the pots and kettles calling each other black.
  The discussion would have gone another way had you omitted that one NAME in your Topic Headline. Just my humble opinion.
  Good luck.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jan 30 23:24:53 EST 2002
  
  KUPPS:
  
  My reasons why IR is the best composer.
  
  1)Versatility:
  
  IR has covered Carnatic + Hindustani + WCM in depth + folk + jazz + fusion + pop ....
  No other composer has done all these
  
  2)Quanitity of OUTPUT:
  
  800 films in just 20-25 years is amazing. The HFM geniuses like Salil Chaudhari did just 150 in 50 years, Naushad just 70 in 60 years. Of course, they also were geniuses and IR himself says that. But IR was the greater genius.
  
  
  3)Besides this he is the only asian to have composed a symphony. I believe he has also ventured in pure classical music.
  
  SO IR IS NOT JUST A FILM COMPOSER.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 12:55:34 EST 2002
  
  Pt. Ravi Shankar has composed many symphonies, in creative collaborations with Yehudi Mehnuin, Philip Glass and Jean-Pierre Ramphal. These predate IR's two experimental "WCM" fusion albums - "Nothing But Wind" and "How To Name It." This is just for the factual records regarding "asians" and "symphonies".
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.157) on: Thu Jan 31 13:17:47 EST 2002
  
  http://www.ravishankar.org/bio.html
  naaz-here is the bio-I remember reading about his concertos-But IR is the first asian to wtite a symphony.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 13:33:32 EST 2002
  
  Hi yaaro,
  
  Would it be possible to get a link to this IR achievement? I mean, is there an official news item regarding this first...was it covered by National/International News Media? When? I would really appreciate it if you can direct me to the right source. I was not aware of this IR achievement - and would really like to get a news clipping for my files if possible. Thanks for your help (in advance)
  
  
• From: hari (@ 66.68.100.51) on: Thu Jan 31 14:38:35 EST 2002
  
  
  I think IR was the first asian to be commisioned by the London RPO to write a symphony.
  
  Havent people like yoyo ma composed symphonies? (i dont know), well if russia is (was) a part of asia, then tchaikovsky has surely composed symphonies, and i am sure there are several Russians/former USSR-ians who are prominent in the western classical world.
  
  
• From: musician (@ 12.91.162.16) on: Thu Jan 31 14:58:34 EST 2002
  
  what ravihankar did was nothing but fusion with wc musicians.it was just fusion of the high order.but what raaja did was the actual symphony,just like what wc composers used to write.it was played by royal philharmonic orchestra [RPO]LONDON.his symphony played by the 83 musicians of the RPO itself was considered a great honour for our ''indian'' composer raaja.in THE HINDU there was an article in 1993 august which said that he was the first asian to write a symphony.we indians shuld be proud of this achievement.nobody else in india can be termed as a composer of such an high order.don't compare l.subramaniams and ravishankar with the class of raaja.thanks
  
  
• From: musician (@ 12.91.162.16) on: Thu Jan 31 15:01:52 EST 2002
  
  what ravihankar did was nothing but fusion with wc musicians.it was just fusion of the high order.but what raaja did was the actual symphony,just like what wc composers used to write.it was played by royal philharmonic orchestra [RPO]LONDON.his symphony played by the 83 musicians of the RPO itself was considered a great honour for our ''indian'' composer raaja.in THE HINDU there was an article in 1993 august which said that he was the first asian to write a symphony.we indians shuld be proud of this achievement.nobody else in india can be termed as a composer of such an high order.don't compare l.subramaniams and ravishankar with the class of raaja.thanks
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 16:40:12 EST 2002
  
  Wasn't there some controversy in the Press regarding the IR - RPO working? If I remember right, the journalist (his name was Venkatesh something? I am sorry I can't recall accurately, but I could look it up) from the UK wrote a piece where he said that the RPO can be hired by musicians from around the world to play their compositions. He also said that IR had hired the RPO (and not the other way around as it was suggested in the South Indian Dailies that he was "invited" to compose a symphony for RPO.) The article also enlisted the rates for HIRING the RPO.
  I mention this not to refute the fact the IR composed a "symphony" but to be certain that we have the "transactional" details right. IR was not the RPO's (in-residence) composer/conductor and also he was not "commissioned" by the RPO to write a "symphony" for them either. This is an important fact to bear in mind. I will try to locate this piece and post a link as soon as I can.
  
  And Musician - Ravi Shankar, L. Subramaniam, IR...and other Indian musicians are all worthy of respect and reverence. Why can't we accept that they are all good at what they do?
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 17:27:39 EST 2002
  
  Another query:
  If IR's Symphony was such big news (I believe it was done in 1993, musician?) how come there has not been a commercial audio release of the same? Or has there been a CD that I completely missed?
  Please let me know if there is a link to this as well. Many thanks.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 17:56:59 EST 2002
  
  Hari - IR was not Commissioned to Write for the RPO.
  He Hired them to play his Symphony. He alsodid not e conduct his own Symphony - it was conducted by the RPO in-residence Conductor.
  Please Do a Google search - Illaiyaraja+RPO+Symphony - and look up the Dhadkan bio on Ilayaraja. It points to this fact. It is the Indian (south) journals who are responsible for this "innacuracy" in their coverage.
  
  
• From: Sundar Krishnamurthy (@ 160.79.208.90) on: Thu Jan 31 18:19:47 EST 2002
  
  Well guys, I had been listening to IR's Siraichalai (96/97?) and I just realized that "Sempoove Poove" is so hauntingly addictive - IR's violin passages are the best anybody could ever do. ARR loves the violin too, but I bet if IR were to ever become a rock&roll musician, we would've had one home-grown global superstar!
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.33.182) on: Thu Jan 31 19:06:06 EST 2002
  
  Naaz, the sequence of events was like this-
  Ir expressed his wish to compose a symphony to RPO-they sent an observer(you remember the very short musician who came for the felicitaions?)to see IR work and see whether it was worth taking trouble about.Once they were covinced about his composing capabilities,they said OK and IR sat about composing.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 31 20:56:54 EST 2002
  
  Thanks for that, yaaro. While I have tremendous respect and regard for IR and his genius, I was just a tad bewildered by how the Southern Media had (or had been) manipulated to misrepresent the "who approached whom" sequence. Of course, as a musician yourself (I am guessing here - are you one? ) you know what is means to have a "commissioned" (in the Western "ARTS" sense - think Leonardo and the Cistine Chapel) piece of music/painting/theatre and what is means to have an "hired" orchestra/troupe/artist perform your composition/writing.
  So, it was IR's wish to compose a "symphony" and the RPO obliged with the orchestra after "artistic" scrutiny. Now, that makes such a difference in the way one thinks about the "fact."
  It was this bit that was completely omitted in the Press coverage. It was made to seem as if the RPO "INVITED" IR to come all the way to London to compose and conduct for them!
  Thanks for the confirmation that it was indeed the other way around!
  
  
• From: VR (@ 66.188.201.72) on: Thu Jan 31 22:12:32 EST 2002
  
  Agree with Naaz, even though I think the world of IR's ability. It is vital to get the facts straight.
  
  For someone with IR's background to write a symphony is a big deal. But wouldve loved to hear it ....wonder why it is still unreleased.
  
  
  
  

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