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SAW VIRUMANDI

Topic started by saw virumandi (@ 67.125.27.215) on Thu Jan 15 01:18:52 EST 2004.
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I saw Virumandi by paying extra.
Why KAMAL..? Why u proved all that told by K.Balachander in Virumandi VIZHA.
It is better to have directors like BHARATHAN ( DEVAR MAHAN ) to deliver a good interesting movie.
Virumandi was very raw and not able to sit in the second half.
Dont confuse the audience with ur confused state of mind.
Iam UPSET and my friends ridicule me as a fan of yours.

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• From: Kamal / Vijaykanth / Ramana - Part II (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Mon Jan 26 15:25:05 EST 2004
  
  Continued..
  
  Why even Vikram, couldn't carry "Kasi", eventho it is a fine film and appreciated by critics. Kamal has carried films like that for years now. Eventho "Guna" & "Mahanadhi" aren't hits - it didn't lose as much as say, "Baba".
  
  Even Chiranjeevi (Telugu Superstar) inspite of his box-office status couldn't carry tamil remakes of "Unnal Mudiyum thambi" ("Rudraveena") and films like that ("Apadhpandavudu"); Only their masala-type (they could be fine films) run; Chiranjeevi has recently stated that he will do ONLY masala films.
  
  Only Kamal has the status of making "different" films and making successes out of it. Virumaandi is an example. He doesn't need box-office GREATest status, as long as he wants to make movies, the way he wants to make it. Sometimes (or maybe most times) it may end up break-even/losses, but that's okay. Hey, atleast I get to see Quality films like "Guna", "Mahanadhi", "Anbe Sivam".
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Mon Jan 26 15:38:40 EST 2004
  
  Continuing from where other's left off:
  
  Sivaji proved that he can be subtle when he wanted to be with movies like Devar Mahan and Kappalootiya Thamizhan.
  
  It's not like he didn't know to be subtle. I think he didn't want to be because people expected him not to be.
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Mon Jan 26 16:01:14 EST 2004
  
  Hi All,
  
  The difference between Sivaji and Kamal is:
  
  1. Kamal is a daring personality. He suggests/overrules the director if the idea of a scene is not good or it does not make sense. Sivaji does what director tells him. He was born at the wrong time I guess (in terms of maturity in movie making). Devar Magan is a great example in terms of what he is capable of. There was his last movie or something (with Murali where he was some karagattakaran or Poikal kuthirai artist??) its a great example of how he obeys the director and how an amateur director can waste his talent and how intolerable he can be, if does not say to the director, "hey, this does not make sense or do justice".
  
  2. When Sivaji was acting the whole cinema industry was raw, in the sense, cinema is used as a widespread drama than a medium where you dont need to exaggerate to reach the audience. You can see this aspect in any movie industry even in Hollywood at the early stages. It takes time to make some mature movies.
  
  For these two aspects, Sivaji may look little raw in some movies. Kamal is more refined. I still think Kamal could have some movies even more better. I think if someone revisits some of his 80s and early 90s movies, you will find the same. Its just the perception changes. I see acting getting sensible with less exaggeration.
  
  Personally, I think Kamal is better in comedy than Sivaji. No one can match the body language, clarity in dialogues and the screen presence than Sivaji. My fav movie of Sivaji is Andha Naal (an amazing movie at that time and amazing acting) and parasakthi (for someone who is making his debut, its a great movie). Two extreme movies and acting.
  
  Again, I dont know whether given a chance Sivaji would have made justice now to his talent more than what he did in the yester years? I dont know. Its hard to compare people of different generations, because they are given equal chance. And, I think Kamal is doing great service for the kind of trash movies we get nowadays. Going at this rate of decline, I think we would need to clone Mani Ratnam or bring back Mahendran and others good directors (a rare species nowadays) to direct some good movies for Vikram, Surya and Madhavan to get the movie standard up.
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Mon Jan 26 16:04:48 EST 2004
  
  Oops,
  
  (if does not say to the director, "hey, this does not make sense or do justice" )
  
  should be
  
  if he does not say to the director, "hey, this does not make sense or do justice"
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Mon Jan 26 16:13:25 EST 2004
  
  
  Vikram, Surya, and Madhavan to some extent, are very good talents. I hope they realize this and make use of it, rather than waste it.
  
  I think Vikram and Surya have the potential to carry on from where Kamal leaves off. Just like Kamal carried on from where Sivaji left off. But if they do it or not is yet to be seen. Young directors like Bala will also have a big role to play in this.
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Mon Jan 26 16:19:17 EST 2004
  
  Virumandi was entertaining. Watched it in SJ. Worth the 10 bucks. I felt he could have made better use of the songs.
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 210.214.128.171) on: Mon Jan 26 16:29:38 EST 2004
  
  Madhavan has a sweet face but in Ayuda eyuthu he plays a negative role, hope there is something exciting to watch.
  
  Vikram and Surya definetly have the potential to take where Kamal leaves, for the good of TF they must do that.
  
  Regarding Sivaji, he was good sometimes but not always, i think Pasumpon a movie made 5-6 years back had his trait of over-acting.
  I think overacting is inborn with him rather than justifying a character.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Mon Jan 26 16:59:45 EST 2004
  
  Vatsa
  
  "2. When Sivaji was acting the whole cinema industry was raw, in the sense, cinema is used as a widespread drama than a medium where you dont need to exaggerate to reach the audience. You can see this aspect in any movie industry even in Hollywood at the early stages. It takes time to make some mature movies. "
  
  Great Point - this is what makes sivaji great. He had no reference points before him (though there were other actors) whereas kamal or rajini had sivaji as reference point.
  
  I am sure in the early stages for each and evry scene kamal would have thought - how would sivaji have acted in this scene and how do I make it different and original and suitable to current generation.
  
  But like you have said both are great actors and we should just leave it at that. Each had their + and - points. These arguments are fruitless - who is better is very subjective.
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 205.242.228.31) on: Mon Jan 26 17:12:11 EST 2004
  
  What you said abt Sivaji is like saying:
  Rajini has style inborn with him rather than justifying a character. While this is in fact true, it's up to the director to finetune/polish their acting depending on the roles they play. Didn't Rajini do well in 6to60? w/o style ?
  
  While Sivaji, even if you go by your words, may have overacting inborn with him, the directors of movies like "Andha Naal", "Thevar Magan", "Puthiya Paravai" utilized him properly wherein his overacting was limited. Unfortunately, we also hv movies like "Mrudanga Chakvarthy", "Trisoolam" wherein he overacted , probably, per director's wishes.. Don't put the blame on Sivaji! He can do overacting as well as subtlety. Both as good.
  
  That said, I would rather prefer some (over)acting than no acting at all!
  
  
• From: V (@ 69.136.137.141) on: Mon Jan 26 18:35:56 EST 2004
  
  With the ongoing debate on Sivaji Vs Kamal, I would like to divert everyone's attention to the gem ofa movie called Virumandi. I saw the movie in Stand Theater, NJ.
  
  I walked in late (as usual) and they were showing the documentary scene of Peikaaman saying "My name ees... peikaaman" I was shocked to see the screen size of the visual and thought that the people screening the movie got a dubakoor print with 1:1 aspect ratio.
  
  I sat down with relief when the 1:1.33 aspect ratio visuals started :)
  
  The jallikatu scene was extremely realistic with FANTASTIC music by IR that goes Virumandi Virumandi..Amazing tempo build-up there. Kamal's intro was neat and jubiliant!
  
  I was particularly amazed by the following scenes(spoiler ridden):
  
  1. Pasupathy turning back and give a glance at the guy who throws a capal at him.
  
  2. The humorous rapport Virumandi and supputhai enjoy in Kamal's narration.
  
  3. Kamal's wailing and child-like abuses at his grandma after her death.
  
  4. Nallama Naicker's treatment of Kothala Thevan in the panchayat scene.
  
  5. Annalechumi and Virumandi talking about names to keep for their child.
  
  6. And many many more.
  
  I summarise the film with +s/-s
  
  +s:
  
  1. Realistic Screenplay.
  2. Live sound
  3. Great fitting and sparse BGM and effective use of silence.
  4. Sets, soil, camera
  5. Rugged characters who bring vilage life live!
  6. The madurai thamizh
  7. Novel screeplay(novel to Tamil cinema atleast)
  8. Songs! What amazing songs by Raja!
  9. Use of spl filter for Onna vida and other jail scenses.
  10. Kothala Thevan's charater and pasupathy's acting
  11. Napolean doing some meaningful role that fits his persona!
  
  -s:
  
  1. Kamal's fair skin standing out.
  2. Very short depiction of why Supputhai is Kamal's buddy!
  3. Very less emotional bondage between the friends. Never got to learnthem
  4. Loud noises and absebce of stress on narrator's voice. Someimes had to strain and take time to realise that its not person on screen talking but actually the narrator.
  5. Elongated and irrrrritating love scenes!!!!!
  6. Yes a lil bit of violence overdose but I wont take that too far.
  7. Unrealistic climax. especially kothala thevan's death and nazar's survival for long time.
  
  In my opinion the movie would have been even more powerful if Virumandi dies in the end and as a result creates a veera-ezhuchi against blind citizens who rebel against injustce and cruel capital punishment. An emotional impact to the tune of Nayakan could have been created.
  
  I am very proud to be a Tamilian! Ths is one movie along with Kannathil Muthamittal and Kaaka Kaaka that I can show to real connoiseurs of cinema and feel proud1 I will be utterly disappointed if this does nt get sent as our oscar nominations.
  
  If movies like this flop and movie like Thirumalai with baseless ludicrous stories run well, then I give up on our "great" tamil makkal!
  
  I will be happy to field any objections and q's
  
  I sincerely feel that this is the time where Tamil cinema has graduated to world standards.
  
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168) on: Mon Jan 26 21:10:09 EST 2004
  
  VIRUMANDI BLOOPER
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  In fact, it's the only blooper I have noticed so far....
  
  in KothalaThevan's narration, when Kamal grabbed the "mammuti" from the rack and jumped at Kottaisaamy, there were 2 more "mammuti"s left in the wall, but on Kamal's narration, there was only 1 left on the wall!...
  
  hehehheeheh
  
  apart from that...this movie is superb..i am going for my third show by this week...
  
  

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