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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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• From: Eswar (@ 202.9.167.126) on: Mon Oct 6 23:52:48 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci,
  
  "The influence of Sanskrit and the attempts at Aryanisation of Tamil culture transformed the pure Tamil music into what is now known as Carnatic music. This development took within its fold other linguistic groups such as Sanskrit, Telugu and Kannadam. The transformation of Tamil music could be said to have taken place in three stages. The pure music that existed as part of the Pre-Sangam and Sangam literature up to the second century A.D. and was free from religious influence. The religious devotional mix which could be described, as the Period of Devotion was the second stage from A.D.200 to 1600. The third stage could be during the Pre-Modern period from 1600 A.D to the
  Modern Tamil period from 1900 to-date."
  
  That paragraph took the interest out of me to read any further. It looks more like a political apologistic view, than a cultural one. I don't believe in "Aryanisation" of India, or "Religionisation" of music etc.
  
  The idea that the whole world did unfair things to Tamil culture, and all that you see right now in India is a copy of what Tamil people have done so many years ago is as far as I know is bull. This is a classic there is Tamil and there is the rest, nationalistic jingoism that doesn't give importance to objectivity.
  
  Before I go on, let me tell you that I am no "Sanskrit is the truth", "Vedas are the only source of knowledge" guy. So don't flame me with my caste and communal affiliation.
  
  If the Dravidians invented Carnatic music, I don't know why the Aryans kept it that way, since they have come from Persia, they could have literally killed the existing culture or they could have influenced the culture heavily? Wonder why didn't they do it?
  
  If Dravidians invented Carnatic music why are the names of the raagas all in shudh Sanskrit, they could all have been in Tamil, or do you think the Aryans literally took over Carnatic music and changed it into Sanskrit?
  
  There may have been an existing culture of music in Dravidian community, and the "aryans" (if they ever existed) would have taken it a notch higher with fundamental research in Mathematics.
  
  The idea of Aryan invasion is something I don't believe in. I believe the entire Indic civilization is indeginous, the rest is all bull made up the western "experts" to make it look as if Indian cannot have an indegenous culture it needed someone else from outside to do it.
  
  Political discussion are out of the domains of music, and this forum. So, if we need to continue the discussion, which I am interested in, mail me at eswar_prakash@yahoo.com, we will carry it out there.
  
  Eswar
  
  
• From: D.Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.195) on: Tue Oct 7 05:53:39 EDT 2003
  
  SRIKANTH,
  
  You had once told me that "only by hearing, hearing and hearing I could learn to find notes and chord progressions by ear". But, I just want to know "What Kind of" hearing is required?
  
  Because, I have been 'hearing' songs right from, say, 5 years of age (well, everybody does). But, what makes them different from those professionally trained musicians' hearing? I want to know "HOW TO" actually hear the song, so that my ear would improve (musically). Like whether I should try to find notes on my keyboard after hearing a song, or playing random chords to see which one fits, etc.
  
  Kindly help.
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 141.156.131.252) on: Tue Oct 7 07:05:16 EDT 2003
  
  raj,
  9 out 10 times when people say i hear song everyday, they mean only the melody lines.
  what i ment is all the parts of the song.
  
  first try to identify all parts in a song.
  meaning, bass, lead, beat and other interludes etc. Focus and Hear them separatly. Take the song for eg:
  "mota madi oru love jodi" from the movie anjali and tell me all the parts in it. if possible name the instruments, try to play the parts also.
  getting the chords using a guitar will be easy.
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.84) on: Tue Oct 7 07:33:45 EDT 2003
  
  Eswar,
  
  You got me wrong. I was only trying to show to Adithya that there are other perspectives in looking at the origins of our classical music. I quoted that article for that purpose. Which doesnt mean I concur with it.
  
  Culture is a complex phenomena, for it is evolutionary. When we get into theoretic interpretations, we only get into vain rhetoric as can be seen in that article itself. Carnatic music is an evolution of various elements that seems to have made what it is now, and let us accept it. The issues arise only when one tries to fix a specific origin. Thats how I look at it.
  
  
• From: D.Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.121) on: Tue Oct 7 08:25:38 EDT 2003
  
  Srik,
  
  Now, I understand. I have to hear the different parts of a song seperately each time I hear it, find the instruments playing each, if possible find the notes on my keyboard. Is this correct?
  
  P.S: I don't know to play the guitar! So, will it be tough finding the chords with a synth?
  
  -DRS
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Tue Oct 7 08:35:08 EDT 2003
  
  guitar is more natural to find chord progression. however you can do this with keyboards also.
  I do it with keyboards only :)
  
  
• From: D.Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.121) on: Tue Oct 7 08:48:02 EDT 2003
  
  For my first question, the answer is "RIGHT"?
  
  -DRS
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 202.9.186.20) on: Tue Oct 7 09:03:09 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci,
  
  I am not trying to argue, I totally understand what you are trying to say. But, I was trying to engage you in a discussion that is all. That article was not exactly intended at you.
  
  Thanks,
  Eswar
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Tue Oct 7 12:46:45 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci: Here are some references for you:
  South Indian Music (6 vol)- Prof Sambamoorthy
  History of South Indian Music -
  Rangaramanuja Ayyangar
  There are a number of other books. But, I consider these to be the most authoritative.
  Some facts I gathered from these books:
  -Ancient Tamils had their own music system
  -They used Tamil names for ragas
  -They did not use the word 'raga'. Instead
  they used 'palai' and 'pan'
  -They calculated the total number of possible
  ragas to be 11991 (mentioned in Silappadikaram
  -2nd century AD long before the term Carnatic
  came to be used)
  -Thevaram is the first known set of devotional
  compositions set to music by the composers.
  Even today you can find Thevaram with 'pan',
  the Tamil name for ragas, mentioned with the
  songs.
  -The books have tables of Tamil pans and the
  corresponding carnatic ragas.
  I thought you might be interested in case you want to continue the debate, which I doubt very much.
  Cheers!
  If the composers in this thread are interested Sambamoorthy provides western notation for some carnatic songs in one of his books.
  
  
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Tue Oct 7 13:15:30 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci: I forgot about the Tamil names for the seven notes. They had their own names - Kural, Thutham etc instead of Sa, Ri ,Ga etc.
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.84) on: Tue Oct 7 13:38:20 EDT 2003
  
  Raj,
  
  I am not sure if your posting was meant for me or Eswar. I made my statement earlier on the origins being aware of most of the things that you have mentioned. If I didnt concur with that article (that I quoted earlier), it was because it also tried to fix a specific origin. If I didnt want to argue on the above subject, it was because such discussions tend mostly to be fruitless and noisy because of certain emotional attitudes we take with them.
  
  Thanks for your references.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Tue Oct 7 13:47:12 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci: I agree with you completely about discussions becoming fruitless and noisy. I have seen too many emotional ourbursts and diatribes in a number of threads.
  I addressed the post to you because you
  were very objective. I hope Eswar and others read it too.
  Cheers!
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 202.9.167.185) on: Tue Oct 7 21:40:01 EDT 2003
  
  Hi,
  
  Wow! I never meant to become emotional at all. Infact, I didn't right it in a emotional fit either. I like to discuss, and get to know things better. But when you start out a discussion, don't you think everyone will have a specific idea / "prejudice" if you want to call it. Then go on to be proved wrong or right. Then you move ahead. My post eventhough addressed to Da Vinci, was infact refuting that article on the origins, as to why I think that is not good. Ofcourse, you cannot refute an article by sweet talking can you? :)
  
  Anywayz, I don't want to discuss something that may get into emotional outbursts. So let us rest all this.
  
  Eswar
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.84) on: Wed Oct 8 07:47:05 EDT 2003
  
  Eswar,
  
  I think you are off on a tangent now, or probably we all are !
  
  
• From: Robbie Stanford (@ 61.1.203.192) on: Wed Oct 8 22:46:25 EDT 2003
  
  Hi all. I am back after a looong time. How are you, SRIK? And you, ESWAR?
  
  Well, I am just contemplating whether I should go for a 5.1 sound system for my PC and so I thought I would just get your opinions as well. :)
  
  Can you all please tell me if the 5.1 speaker system attached to your PC was useful in your venture as a music composer. If so, how? Of course, yes, 5.1 sound systems are good when watching DVD movies and playing 5.1 games. But, other than that... in your 'quest for music', has it been any help?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Thu Oct 9 06:52:30 EDT 2003
  
  Digression :
  
  Eswar has a point that cannot be refuted by DaVinci or Raj - that is the Aryan invasion theory of India which was a colonial ploy. Read David Frawley's articles on that. Maybe u can call this an emotional outburst if u want to avoid a healthy discussion which this as Eswar has already mentioned is not the right place to do so. Even leftist historians like Romila Thapar are distancing themselves from the Aryan Invasion Theory as the evidence against it is very strong.
  
  

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