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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Wed Sep 24 14:12:17 EDT 2003
  
  Swamiji, anjali anjali is nice and smooth. Regarding, Pudhiya Mugam song, I am not really sure abt the Em11 part. But from the way I hear in ur modification, it does seem perfect. Thanks for the suggestions.
  
  Ennulle ennulle is an awesome song. I have the mp3 file in which the song starts with a fast repeated arpeggio ( i dont know the exact term for that technique, it gives a water-flowing effect) and then the guitar plucking starts. But as I know there is a mridangam playing for sometime before all this starts. Does anybody have that recording with them?
  
  Another thing is the singers, everytime they come back to ennulle part, they start one note earlier, on the 4th note of the bar, rather than the 1st note of the next bar. That was really effective. Any name or other instances of this technique? I have seen ARR do a similiar thing for the 1947 earth theme music.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.122) on: Wed Sep 24 14:21:12 EDT 2003
  
  Srikanth, that would be great if you can elaborate on this. Let me share what I am learning too...
  
  This is the cycle of fourths. (Cycle of fifths if you go in the reverse)
  
  C-F is a fourth and F to Bdim is a fourth and so on.
  
  I IV VIIdim iii7 vi ii V7
  
  Nashville Notation is basically replacing the roman numerals with numbers:
  
  1 4 7dim 3m 6m 2m 5
  
  the progression 1 - 5 is the most tense progression seeking immediate resolution, so applying the same logic, this cycle is the smoothest way to
  traverse all chords. If you play this sequence you will see it. and try the opposite progression, you will feel most unnatural.
  
  If you want to build a two chord song:
  Use 1 and 5 (C and G if C major)
  
  If you want to build a three chord song:
  Use 1 and 4 and 5 (C, F and G)
  
  Some of the most common progressions in pop are:
  
  2 5 1 - most jazz uses this
  
  6 2 5 1 and 4 6 5 1 - the most common in Pop.
  
  However if you move in fourths, your harmony will sound stale after sometime. So you take short cuts, for instance, jump from C to Em but then make sure continue clockwise to Am or Dm, your progression will still sound pleasant. But if you come back to B or F from Em, your progression will feel the unnaturalness.
  
  If you have the patience, there is an excellent EBook:
  
  http://www.completechords.com/Pages_Sidebranch_Free_Features/How_Music_Really_Works/How_Music_REALLY_Works_4i.htm
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Wed Sep 24 14:26:30 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Sam, Em11 maybe a misnomer there, but I had it there because it will fit in Em-A progression. That Em11 is actually played with A-B-D-E-A notes...
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Sep 24 16:13:49 EDT 2003
  
  It is good to see one of my favorite songs (ennullE) analysed here..especially by a master at that like rjay. Another recent which you guys might find interesting is the enna solli paaduvathO..but it is missing that 'relaxed' feeling that is there in the other song. IR does not does these kind of songs often..we have to wait out for a while, ignoring some ordinary and plenty of good, to spot a gem like this. This is what makes me feel creativity ..especially in music..seems like a enigmatic activity, even though I tend to agree (with rjay)that most of it is hardwork.
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 202.88.242.13) on: Thu Sep 25 00:16:11 EDT 2003
  
  Srik, rjay et al,
  
  As I have told you before I am no good at the western classical theory, eventhough I would love to learn. One of my fav fugues of Bach is Fugue in G Minor (Fugue for 2 horns? or is my key Gm wrong?). There you could see a horn starting the basic melody and Bach bringing a second horn around 1/2 the way, followed by a 3rd wind instrument (oboe? clarinet?) and goes on and on. Now the interesting thing about the arrangement eventhough it feels technically like 5 wind instruments screaming incoherently much the same thing, but on a shift basis, the basic melody is very clear - when the notes fall in place it sounds like he is building chords out of different parts of the same melodic tune. I wonder how one could imagine all this upfront when someone starts composing. That is what I feel when I hear Enulle too. The guitar melodic prelude has a base string playing different set of notes and the treble string playing the main melody, in between them falls other strings of the guitar - imagining raaja write those parts without thinking "twice" makes me wonder how could he get all these notes in his head. Amazing!
  
  Eswar
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 67.73.194.115) on: Thu Sep 25 01:13:39 EDT 2003
  
  Eswar, nice listening and good comments,
  
  ... on a shift basis, the basic melody is very clear ...
  
  This is the core of Bach's genius.
  
  ...I wonder how one could imagine all this upfront when someone starts composing.
  
  ;)
  Well, there are tricks and rules for counterpoint, search google for First Species, Second Species and so on. It became so much studied art, people brought in math and rules and by Mozarts time, Bach style went out of favour.
  Mozart imbibed the spirit of Bach and took it another step forward.
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 67.73.194.115) on: Thu Sep 25 01:15:05 EDT 2003
  
  Friends
  
  I created a Circle of Fourth demo midi file and score sheet to demonstrate what we wrote in last page.
  
  I have also created a small classical piece (moonlite) to show the power of the progression.
  
  http://www.geocities.com/rjaymidi/Circle4.htm
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.91.125) on: Thu Sep 25 05:17:39 EDT 2003
  
  RJAY, demonstration of concept was well done.
  New composition is cute.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.121) on: Thu Sep 25 10:41:31 EDT 2003
  
  Thank you Aditya.
  
  
• From: D.Raj Sekhar (@ 61.2.236.41) on: Thu Sep 25 10:55:33 EDT 2003
  
  RJay,
  
  Did you receive my e-mail?
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.121) on: Thu Sep 25 12:17:53 EDT 2003
  
  DRS, Did you receive my e-mail?
  ;)
  
  -RJAY
  
  
• From: Han Geurdes (@ 195.121.101.44) on: Sat Sep 27 07:43:00 EDT 2003
  
  Dear fellow composeres,
  
  In the course of this summer, I have created music (classical guitar) that, I think, is suitable for a ballet.
  
  Being an amateur and having a busy job in the ICT, I do not have much time in putting my work on notes. Moreover, I think that I am doing it wrong, but that I may use my notes for a mnemonic.
  
  Anyway, the great goal in the future is to write a complete ochetral score and to have the Dutch Balletorchestra perform it on some choreography.
  
  Ok, it sounds and is pretty ambitious, but perhaps that someone can help me with my first step. How to write a proper score for classical guitar. It would then be possible for another (better) guitaris to perform the music.
  
  I know of the MIDI translator and I can write notes myself. I only am wrestling terribly with the way one should string them together. Reading my old books from my guitarlessons does not help me much.
  
  Thanks in advance
  Han
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.91.125) on: Sat Sep 27 19:56:05 EDT 2003
  
  Divakar, your presence is required at this moment - Give your tablature tips to Han.
  
  Meanwhile...
  http://www.endprod.com/tab/
  
  Is anybody going to suggest to Han that play on MIDI guitar and use cakewalk guitar track software? Will this generate the right tablature?
  
  rgds,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: Han Geurdes (@ 195.121.119.71) on: Mon Sep 29 14:53:39 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Aditya,
  
  Thanks I will follow your advice.
  
  Han
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 202.88.242.13) on: Wed Oct 1 23:52:18 EDT 2003
  
  Hi,
  
  I wrote a small intro tutorial for some western audience on Carnatic music. This is for the very beginners or toddlers. Please check it out and let me know if you need me to change something so that I could give them some updates.
  
  http://studiosense.sytes.net/studiosense/viewtopic.php?t=420
  
  Thanks
  Eswar
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.84) on: Thu Oct 2 07:34:45 EDT 2003
  
  Eswar,
  
  That was a nice article. Thank You.
  
  I wouldn't like to dispute with the origins of Carnatic music as you had made a note of, but there might be others who might attribute different origins to it.
  
  Could you elaborate on any similar set-->sub-set structure in Hindustani Music (if it existed)? How different is the gliding between two tones or semi-tones between Carnatic and Hindustani Music of the same raaga?
  
  Just one more question out of curiosity. How is it that 'the seven note in an octave' concept evolved ? I have heard that there are musical systems with lesser notes. Can anyone throw light on it?
  
  
  
  
• From: good one (@ 12.163.39.254) on: Thu Oct 2 09:28:17 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci,
  just came across this article
  
  http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/miker/tuning/12.html
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.152) on: Mon Oct 6 11:10:43 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci:
  "I wouldn't like to dispute with the origins of Carnatic music as you had made a note of, but there might be others who might attribute different origins to it"...
  
  Have you heard any other origins for Carnatic Music?
  
  rgds,
  Aditya
  
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.84) on: Mon Oct 6 14:02:34 EDT 2003
  
  Aditya,
  
  It becomes a complex affair to argue when one looks at the roots of many a cultural phenomena of our glorious country. Complex, since our perception is conditioned by specific trends of thought. The roots of Carnatic music too has such divergent perspectives. http://www.geocities.com/promiserani2/article004.html may throw some light on what I mean. But it could be off the context to argue on it here.
  
  

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