Topic started by cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on Thu Aug 3 12:24:35 EDT 2000.
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i was listening to "mellap pesungal" from "kasedhaan kadavulada". it goes "mellap pesidavo pirar ketkakkoodaamal". does this word exist in tamil? isn't this an example of lyrical abaththam? pls correct if wrong.
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- From: naanedhaan (@ 63.21.182.238)
on: Tue Aug 8 02:04:22 EDT 2000
sorry it must read "vidhavai"!
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Tue Aug 8 03:19:08 EDT 2000
today i was listening to the songs in punnagai mannan the song was 'kalam kalamaga vazhum kathalukku nagal arpanam'in that the second stanza contains line 'inaivom inaivom pagayai sorivom name' can somebody give me the meaning os sorivom please
- From: sk (@ 137.132.2.109)
on: Tue Aug 8 03:22:55 EDT 2000
csg:
pagayai sorivom = let us scratch off enmity ?
- From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.130)
on: Tue Aug 8 03:58:18 EDT 2000
sorivOm --> has two meanings.
1st - Scratch
2nd - pour (eg. poo sorithal, neer sorithal, pAl sorithal) Exact meaning is something like abishEkam.
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Tue Aug 8 04:50:00 EDT 2000
thank you for the meaning,analum pagai cannot be scratched it should be demolished,
- From: e (@ 61.1.250.167)
on: Tue Aug 8 05:03:52 EDT 2000
Jee : 1st is soRi and the second sori:-)
- From: padai_sori_sirangu (@ 206.103.12.102)
on: Tue Aug 8 05:31:06 EDT 2000
my god, this thread is turning out to be hilarious:-))))). vayirellam punnaagip pochchu.
friends,
what does sori mean in bharathidasan's "siththirach cholaigale... raththam sorinthanaro"?
talking of IR's lyrical creations, there is this song in rajathi raja: "vaa vaa manjal malare", in which he says "vaasa karuveppilaiye". kaadhaliyai eppadippa karuveppalaikku oppida koodum? idhu abaththam andro?
- From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1)
on: Tue Aug 8 05:39:34 EDT 2000
Karthi.,
I still believe 'Nee oru kuzanthai' is by Vaali. I think all songs in 'Padagootti' are by Vaali., Can somebody clarify ?
NagaS
- From: vsatish (@ 139.85.161.184)
on: Tue Aug 8 07:50:10 EDT 2000
yes nagas
you are right all songs in 'padagotti' is by vaali
and it is considered to be one of vaali's best
- From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10)
on: Tue Aug 8 12:20:29 EDT 2000
pss,
smell the karvuvEppilai; feel the texture of an iLam karuvEppilai (i will not write what else one needs to do to appreciate it fully :-) ). vAsak karuvEppilai is a beautiful metaphor. in fact, it's better than koththamallip pUvE :-))
- From: S (@ 192.135.244.69)
on: Wed Aug 9 00:18:37 EDT 2000
another vaira vari from that VM...
"pAvAdai katti padhindha thadam kaRuppu dhAn"..chiiiiiiiii kumattindu varadhu :-(
- From: eden (@ 61.1.250.182)
on: Wed Aug 9 00:49:54 EDT 2000
p_s_s!
`ratham sorindhanarO' eulogises the working class by highlighting their hardwork (viyarvai sindhuvadhai, kurudhi sindhuvadhAga uruvagappaduththugirAr)!
- From: KITKAT (@ 203.106.110.226)
on: Wed Aug 9 00:53:56 EDT 2000
I think Karuveppilai is better than Killu Keerai:-)
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Wed Aug 9 03:01:41 EDT 2000
yet another quote from 'punnagai mannan''anbe nethana nijama en keli unthan madi thane nilavin narkali'i know that the heroine means by lying on hero's lap she feels cool but to compare it with moon pavam hero janni vanthu sethu poiduvan
- From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.55)
on: Wed Aug 9 10:28:46 EDT 2000
I dont know who the lyricist is but this should be the most abathamaana song in recent songs
Film 'anbudan'(Rambha and Arunkumar)
Song starts like
andha sooriyanai oru mookuthiyaa
naan senju tharen nee kuthikkadi
andha chandhiranai 2 kammalene
naan mathi tharen nee pottukadi
then
nee kulicha thanniyai thedi parthen
nisama solren adhil nei(ghee) irukkudhadi
??
- From: satish (@ 139.85.161.184)
on: Wed Aug 9 11:05:52 EDT 2000
vandhi vardhu
yenpa ramki unakke idhu kekka aruvarupa ille
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Wed Aug 9 12:30:06 EDT 2000
something similar:
nee thuvaichcha aadai ellaam nee pizinjaa neer vadiyum
aiththa magan naan puziunja aththanaiyum thEn vadiyum
???????
- From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.55)
on: Wed Aug 9 12:48:12 EDT 2000
satish adhu enne 'unakke'?:))
ellorukkum vandhithaan varum except for that lyricist
- From: karthi (@ 63.21.181.218)
on: Thu Aug 10 00:21:14 EDT 2000
what's this "vomiting" pathilaam pEsikkittu? BTW, NagaS and VSatish, "Naanoru kuzhandhai" is by KD no doubt in that.
- From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102)
on: Thu Aug 10 04:51:56 EDT 2000
MS,
athe paattule "adi gramathu kiliye, en kizhiyatha dhavaniye". enna solla varaar kavignar?
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Thu Aug 10 05:06:42 EDT 2000
the second stanza from the song 'masi masam alana ponnu'form the movie 'dharmadurai'goes like this.'asai agathra matham moga kavitha pravagam todukka todukka padikka edukka edukka ohohoh'this line is sung b swarnalatha for that KJY sings 'kama leela vinotham kathal kavitha vilasam
padikka padikka mudikka mudikka ohohoh'ayya tfm page nanbargale vilakkam avasiam thevai!!!!!
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Thu Aug 10 05:08:11 EDT 2000
the second stanza from the song 'masi masam alana ponnu'form the movie 'dharmadurai'goes like this.'asai agathra matham moga kavitha pravagam todukka todukka padikka edukka edukka ohohoh'this line is sung b swarnalatha for that KJY sings 'kama leela vinotham kathal kavitha vilasam
padikka padikka mudikka mudikka ohohoh'abathathukkum oru ellai undu enbathu en thazmayana karuthhu ayya tfm nanbargale vilakkam avasiam thevai!!!!!
- From: csg (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Thu Aug 10 05:09:56 EDT 2000
sorry for the repeat of the posting
- From: satish (@ 139.85.161.184)
on: Thu Aug 10 08:30:02 EDT 2000
In the song "malaiyoram veesum katru " there is a line
"avarampoovil devaram pada"
suthama purile
nagas edhavadhu explanation irukka idhuku
i dont remember the full line
- From: eden (@ 61.1.250.249)
on: Sat Aug 12 04:48:29 EDT 2000
One line in the andhi mazhai song (RajapArvai) is an e.g. of contextual abatham:
`indhiran thOttaththu mundhiriyE'
The explanation given during the time of release of this song was something like:
Indiran is supposed have more potency (veeriyam) and mundhiri -cashew- is supposed to give that `extra' strength thereby increasing the potency...hence this phrase means extra, extra potency
Sounds logical, isn't it? Then, what is the abatham? Through out the song, only the hero sings this phrase and not the other way around:-) She sings sippiyil thappiya nithilamE, ragasiya rAththiri puthagamE, which again should have been more appropriate for the male to sing...summA illai IR'Oda dislike for this lyric:-)
- From: Jee (@ 193.188.124.130)
on: Sat Aug 12 07:17:35 EDT 2000
One more abaththam (it's not lyrical but singing)
Alaigal Oivathillai - Vizhiyil vizhundhu
In that song, the lyrics which female sings is more appropriate for a male to sing.
Eg.
Female sings :
Un veLLi kolus(u)oli veedhiyil kEttAl
aththanai jennalum thirakkum
nee sirikkum pOthu pournami nilavu
aththanai thisayum uthikkum
nee malligai poovai soodikkondal
rOjavukku kAichchal varum
nee pattup pudavai kattikkondal
pattup poochchigal mOtcham perum ....
These lines are suitable for male voice.
- From: karthi (@ 63.24.167.15)
on: Wed Aug 16 00:17:27 EDT 2000
eden and jee, very nice observation!
eden, andhi mazhai hero kamal-dhaanE? :))
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Wed Aug 16 14:09:49 EDT 2000
cram:
Do you really want me to answer back ? :-)
- From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.118)
on: Wed Aug 16 16:32:52 EDT 2000
Indiran is supposed have more potency (veeriyam)
How do we say that? I have not heard a single name of Indiran's son or daughter either legal or illegal. On the contrary there are legends that says indiran is more feminine and like all our contemporary managers and heads of departments he was useless in controlling asuras every time there was a crisis.
Indiran thottathu mundhiriye is abaththam to the core.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Wed Aug 16 17:37:39 EDT 2000
Indiran's sons (illegal):
(1) vaali
(2) arjunan
- From: G (@ 206.236.38.130)
on: Wed Aug 16 18:21:07 EDT 2000
?
- From: G (@ 206.236.38.130)
on: Wed Aug 16 18:21:42 EDT 2000
and (3) Indrajit
- From: Mythological Digressor (@ 129.188.33.221)
on: Wed Aug 16 18:31:15 EDT 2000
Indrajit was Ravana's son !
- From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102)
on: Thu Aug 17 02:59:36 EDT 2000
enna topic thadam maaruthu:-)))
intha abathathathai kelungappa:
nee kondu vaa kaathal varam
poo thoovume panneer maram
panneeraal marama, illai panneer surakkum marama, eppadi paaththaalum abaththam thaane? clarify, pls
- From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.118)
on: Thu Aug 17 11:51:27 EDT 2000
Re: Indiran is supposed have more potency (veeriyam)
Yesterday a friend of mine (besides MS) pointed out that Arjunan is a son of Indira and the potency of Arjunan is unquestionable and it would be tenfold of any of us. So either kunthi is slandered or Indhiran is. I prefer the slander of kunthi and apologize the slander I had thrown on Indhiran and all his descendants through Arjunan and affirm that Indhiran thottathu mundhiri is indeed powerful in creating more illicit relationships and progeny.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Thu Aug 17 11:53:30 EDT 2000
I read this in a mag. The song "kattOdu kuzal aada" has a line " pachcharisi pallaada". A college student pursuing his M.phil ( I guess) found this to be a total misfit in the song. He wrote to KD :"pal kizavikku thaanE aadum ?" KD realized that he had indeed made a mistake and admitted it.
- From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130)
on: Thu Aug 17 13:21:21 EDT 2000
Indhiran is a position. Just like so many "manu", there were so many indhirans..
Indhiran's legal son is Jayandhan.
- From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130)
on: Thu Aug 17 13:26:26 EDT 2000
coming back to "thottam". My guess is :
Mundhiri refers to one apsaras in Indhiran's garden.
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