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Raja's Dabba Songs!

Topic started by Srikanth (@ proxy1.dpn.deere.com) on Mon Sep 14 13:55:31 EDT 1998.
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Hi,
I want to list out "Dabba Songs" of Raja.
This will prove even Raja has composed "Dabba songs". I have huge list, which I will adding soon.

Velai Eadum Illamal Benchil Irukum
Srikanth

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• From: f_ir_f (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Sep 21 09:47:29 EDT 1998
  
  pon uruguthE.. dabba'vaa?
  
  Just imagine the instrumental version of tht song with actual interludes! Except the starting (pallavi), the rest of the song will form a lovely tune of melody with speedy beats! One my bengaali friend mugged up the whole song just for the interludes & intermediate tune!
  
  
• From: dabba_dabba_thaan (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Sep 21 09:59:20 EDT 1998
  
  oooopppss.... In the last posting, I meant the song 'pon mEni uruguthE, ennaasai peruguthE'
  
  Real dabbanguththu songs (different frm dabba songs) are:
  1. aE aaththaa aththOramaa vaariyaa
  2. singaari sarakku nalla sarakku, summa gummunu
  3. veththalai veththalaiyO kozhundhu veththalaiyO
  4. thaNNi karuththuruchchu aNNE thavalai saththam
  5. raaman aaNdaalum raavaNan aaNdaalum
  6. suraangaNi suraanganikka [avar enakkE sondham]
  7. kEttElaa angE, ada paaththELA ingE
  8. vengaaya saambaarum vEgaatha sORum
  9. vaa vaa vaaththiyaarE vaa vanjikkodi un konjum
  10. naan thaaNdaa ippO dhEvadhaas, iththOdu
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Mon Sep 21 13:08:58 EDT 1998
  
  If I am right in guessing that "Yethamayya Yetham" is from a movie starring Vijaykanth and Radha, then I disagree with Sriram Lakshmanan that it is a dabba song. I thought (atleast the starting piece and main tune) were very melodious, colored very well with piano.
  
  Also, I think Shankar has a very good point; If we did not know that a particular song was composed by IR, then our reaction will be quite different from what it would be if we know it is IR. Our expectations change drastically once we know it is IR and so the chance of disappointment is higher. This has to be accounted for while pointing out dabba songs.
  
  This will apply mostly to borderline songs.
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Mon Sep 21 13:11:51 EDT 1998
  
  I have usually observed that IR is quite unenthusiastic about some films - this is generally shown by a total lack of orchestration of the songs. This was amply seen in a lousy vijaykanth starrer, "Police custody" or something like that. It was clear that IR never cared about giving good nubers for this movie.
  
  This happens with ARR too - if you listen to "pudhiya mannargal" or "super police(Telugu), it would be obvious.
  
  
• From: Mux (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Mon Sep 21 13:55:43 EDT 1998
  
  HI guys,
  
  I have not heard the other songs in Kalaignan exxcept for enthan nenjil and Dil bar jaane. The second song is amazing in its own right and so many times I have immersed myself in this song when driving the car. One thing about this movie is, it was such a crap from kamal that I did not even try to hear the songs for a long time.
  
  Anyway these days I am getting into a lot of diff of opinion that I dont even feel like writing anything because I feel so many of recent albums to IR to be great. I like Kaadhal Rojave, KM, Devadhai, Raman Abdullah, Dharma, Avadhaaram, Kizakkum Merkkum, Guru, YM, Kangalin Vaarthaigal, kavalaiPadadhe sagothara etc.
  
  BUT, I heard Vasuki in TV (not yet in a casette) and it sounded terrible to say the least. Impossible to beleive it was IR. It was a nightmare to me for so many days. In fact horrible. But still I am going to try buying a casette to hear it properly.
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks10d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Mon Sep 21 13:57:21 EDT 1998
  
  Some of IR's 'dabbaest' songs have been his biggest hits. For example, the songs in Chinna Thambi, Chembaruthi and Eeramana Rojave are unworthy of IR. They are mainly very catchy tunes - that's all. These songs sound as if they were composed in a hurry. The claim about Chinna Thambi's songs being composed in a day substantiate this. I have always felt that these songs lacked the finesse that most of IR's other songs had. Pity is that they were all great tunes. One exception from the above list might be "Adho Megha Oorvalam" from Eeramana Rojave which was significantly better than the rest. Another borderline movie was "Nadodi Thenral". But the songs in "Nadodi Thenral" are more like worst of the best rather than best of the worst. The other three movies are more like the best of the worst. The songs that I have mentioned here are not bad at all - except for the fact that IR had a hand in 'dabbafying' them.
  
  
• From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Mon Sep 21 15:00:37 EDT 1998
  
  Mux:
  Another tremendous song in "Kalaignan" is "kokkarako kozhi" rendered by Kamal. The lyrics are silly though but you can sure appreciate the orchestration.
  
  As regards Vasuki, there are two songs which are worth listening and they sound great in my JVC audio system.
  1)Kaadhal nilave - (can anyone help me with the singers here ,please??) - a song for which IR has composed excellent jazz interludes. To define it simply, this song sounds like the tune composed by MKT and modernized by IR with jazz pieces.
  2)thangachchi dhaan thangapurava - IR renders this song effortlessly in Madras Baashai. The chorus and background music just gets you carried away.
  
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Sep 21 15:02:47 EDT 1998
  
  IRfan: An digression... MKT never composed tunes himself, you should probably say a tune composed for MKT. :-). Anyway I think the male voice was Malaysia VasudEvan in that song.
  
  
• From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Mon Sep 21 15:07:25 EDT 1998
  
  Ravi:
  Thanks. I was just trying to relate the tune of this song to one composed during pre MSV-TKR era and happened to reminded of MKT :-)
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Mon Sep 21 15:21:59 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath, I beg to differ. I don't think you can classify "Chinna thambi" and "Chembaruthi" as done without much attention, esp "chinna thambi". It is quite difficult for me to imagine that "Yevevo andaalu"(I'm sorry I'm able to recollect only the Telugu lyrics - I'm referring to the song when Khushboo takes Prabhu out) is a careless composition; the tragic version of this song has a sophisticated first interlude (violins) and IMHO, ranks among his best. Ok, it is not the large scale orcheestration that he has used for, say "Guru"'s songs, but I think that some of his very best songs were some of his most simple songs.
  
  As for "Chembaruthi", although again the orchestration was not very complex, I think the songs were great, esp "Pattu poove"; in any case I would never call them "best of worst", in the worst case, I would say they rank among the worst of best.(Sorry for the flood of worsts and bests :-)))
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Mon Sep 21 16:00:56 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  IRfan: Is this the song "Kaadhal nilave vaazve kai meethu sera vaa" ?? If it is so it is an amazing song. Has a calming and soothing feeling to it. Like "Kannalae Kaathal kavidhai sonnale".
  
  Srinath: "Nadodi Thenral" songs lacks finesse ???!! Can you please explain and be more descriptive about it ?? Because, I have forgotten myself completely when listening to "aathi ithu", "Maniye manikkuyile" etc. in the movie. I rank them among the great ones of IR.
  
  As regards lack of orchestration, if you see, in a most of the melodious songs you will find orchestration takes a back seat and just accentuates the flow of music. A little bit of violin here and there but with an amazing timing would bring in greatness.
  
  As far another Dabba song I was saying "enga ooru kaadhalai pathi" is a good song for a long time attracted by its simple melody in first few lines but later found out it simply dragged in the middle and it looked very little work was done on that song.
  
  Mux
  
  
  
  Mukund
  
  
  
• From: IRfan (@ gw4.awo.com) on: Mon Sep 21 16:33:23 EDT 1998
  
  Mux:
  The song goes likes this. "kaadhal nilave kaadhal nilave kanmaniye karpagame, kavidhai pozhiyum etc,etc. ". This song is another innovative composition by IR. The tune is set to an olden style(pre MSV-TKR era) and is blended with brilliant jazz pieces. After listening to this song, I was convinced that IR does not have a particular style/limit/boundary for his compositions.
  
  Mux, From your response, I can understand that you did not get a chance to listen to "Vasuki". Grab that cassette and enjoy the songs - It is not a waste of money!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 201-194-200.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 21 21:16:26 EDT 1998
  
  Kaushik & Mukund:
  I already mentioned that the tunes were very catchy. But these songs were different from IR's usual compositions. Especially the songs in Nadodi Thenral. The songs in this movie were pretty much 'thoonguvazhinjifying'. It could probably be because IR might not have used his favourite Em scale (I am not sure though). It could also be because IR might not have taken much pains with the chord progressions. Again this is speculation. Now this might be a bit of a controversial claim - but I think Mano also had a little to do with the 'thoonguvazhinjifying' of Nadodi Thenral and Eeramana Rojave songs. It may not possible for me to find a defect in any of IR's compositions because it is not just a lack of orchestration. But listening to those songs, you feel like something was left out somewhere - they sound weak and diluted. And to me it feels like a lack of enthusiasm on IR's part. The structure of the song does not do justice to the tune. "Kanne Kalaimaane" is probably IR's simplest tune yet - that was still a classic. Orchestration has nothing to do with it. It is a combination of several factors of which the usage of the right instruments, singers and scale are the most significant.
  
  
• From: Mux (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Mon Sep 21 21:26:37 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  
  IRfan: I had decided to buy the casette. I'll let you know what I felt after listening to it.
  
  Srinath: Thanks for the explanation. That explains your viewpoint. Mine is still different though :-). BTW, did you feel this about all the songs of NT ??
  
  Mukund
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqm-126.compuserve.net) on: Mon Sep 21 21:54:21 EDT 1998
  
  I do not agree with the general trend in thinking in this thread that numbers without complex orchestration are dabba numbers just the same way that numbers with complex orchestration need not necessarily be termed as good ones. I thought the orchestra arrangement in Chembaruthi, Nadodi thendral and E.rojave was just correct and totally in tune with the mood. The emphasis was more on the melody aspect and rightly so.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Sep 22 00:28:14 EDT 1998
  
  One of the "recent" simple tune of IR comparable to kaNNe kalaimaane is inji iduppazhagi.
  
  

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