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MASTER A.R.RAHMAN'S KANGAL KEITHEI SEI

Topic started by SHARAD (@ 202.9.150.156) on Wed Aug 13 14:27:04 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

arr fans ARRS KANGAL KEITHEI SEI BIT SONG CINDERLA BY HARIHARAN IS IN... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/files/

THE BGM SEEMS TO BE LIKE A ENGLISH MOVIE FABULOUS.
I WILL UPLOAD THE OTHER PIECE SOON.

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• From: Mythila (@ 208.220.245.72) on: Tue Aug 26 03:33:00 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam, as someone who knows 'Yerumayil yeri', the tune is completely diff from 'Manguyile'. Their raagams also differ.Only their sandams match.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 208.220.245.72) on: Tue Aug 26 03:36:51 EDT 2003
  
  BTW, I forgot to mention this. IR has deliberately tuned 'yerumayil yeri'(Deviating from the original tune) to that of 'Manguyile' in another movie just to show how devotional hyms could be made appealing to the mass with Janaranjaka tunes.
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.97) on: Tue Aug 26 05:47:39 EDT 2003
  
  ah ha..when u see the old movie's credit...when it comes to Music..they will difinetly write : Isai - "isaignani" Illairaja..but as for now (for arr) they only write : Isai : A.R.Rahman (coz in that name itself,it shows the quality of the album)so as u can see...IR needs the boost..but ARR doesnt...Its very very rare to see ARRAHMAN name beeing credited as Isai Puyal A.R.Rahman in movies...(if u do..plzz tel me)but for IR,i saw many many movies like that...ofcource he have to be modest now..u think he meant it of wut?Im still learning,at the age of 60,wut he is gonna learn some more?how to be Harris Jeyaraj is it??
  -As u can see,arrahman is beeing very frank about him & his album...u Koomootes just can take the facts huh...hmmm..sad for u...Wut eva it is...IR is difinetly isaignani..coz i stil listen to his songs :such as : Ennaku Piditta padal (female)- my personal fav from IR,Vaanaville,Inayanaal-Manaseelam)....
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Tue Aug 26 06:04:56 EDT 2003
  
  Just point out the music which symbolizes ARR as 'Mozart of Asia' or 'Mozart of the East'.
  
  Don't make fun but just answer please.
  
  
• From: popkarn (@ 203.145.178.2) on: Tue Aug 26 07:02:19 EDT 2003
  
  hey ambleen
  
  personally I feel the music of VANDE MATARAM makes me to call ARR as Mozart of the East.
  
  ambleen, don't be jealous
  
  
• From: rock (@ 65.95.165.75) on: Tue Aug 26 08:22:12 EDT 2003
  
  this movie will flop
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Aug 26 09:40:24 EDT 2003
  
  Mythila,
  I dont want to side track too much, Yerumayil Yeri was set to tune differently originally, Dhandapani Desikar was the one who did make such devotional hymns appeal to all mass in a easy to understand way by having folk tunes and sandhams. IR as He is one of the great exponents of Tamil Folk (atleast understands Tamil Nativity better), created the wonderful Maanguyile.
  
  All,
  Mozart of Asia? interesting!!
  Localization = Globalization, very intriguing.
  
  No kidding? Is the Mozart (the legendary) who composed symphonies we are talking about or somebody who does Hollywood movies. Coz I dont know mostly who did music for most of the Hollywood movies!!
  
  I am afraid that sometime down-the-lane we will not know who is the MD in TFM coz everything will be ripped out of Hollywood movies.
  
  Back to the topic:
  I did like ARR's one song in the other BR movie, but will be surely interesting to know how it is for a thriller (if it is). Has ARR done a BGM in the past. I meant a thriller!!
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.164.69.6) on: Tue Aug 26 11:05:41 EDT 2003
  
  F*** them both...
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Aug 26 12:24:00 EDT 2003
  
  Raj!!
  Allow people to discuss music. Stop this nastiness!! it is not required.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.157) on: Tue Aug 26 15:27:03 EDT 2003
  
  Mythila,
  
  i hav never heard the song 'Yerumayil yeri' before or after that interview by IR [ he sang that song in the interview and as far as my memory goes it was similar to 'manguyilae'- and moreover the interview was around 15 yrs before]. hence iam not able to give an explanation. i jus mentioned watever IR said in that interview.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.157) on: Tue Aug 26 15:32:24 EDT 2003
  
  to all ARR fans,
  the question which i hav been constantly asking u all has never been answered or cleverly evaded by u guys.in KKS ARR has used a qwali song after lsitening to this iam desperate know the answer for this question.
  U all claim that ARR fuses many music forms to create a global music and he had used north indian folk/classical music to appeal to a wider mass my question is 'why doesnt ARR use south indian folk/classical music to appeal the north indians and why doesnt he take tamizh music to international level????????
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Aug 26 16:02:31 EDT 2003
  
  RS:
  Somebody has to know and have the utmost understanding of Tamizh music is, coz it has a lot of depth and structure which can be consciously figured out in certain patterns. For ex: Pan pazham panjuram is raag Sankharabaranam, so in parallesim of music and depth, there is a lot.
  It takes time for anybody to understand that depth, in this commercial world, i would not blame anybody for churning out stuff that lasts with what the changing needs of the generation wants.
  Only people who think that they have to do more and not satisfied with themselves to create beautiful music will take that effort, and I have to tell you one such person is IR.
  
  Secondly I am not undermining anybody here by this statement.
  
  That is the reason he is thinking about Thiruvasagam symphony and all that.
  
  When people often talk about only Quantity=Quality we cannot surely make them understand, we are comparing Music and their styles and not people themselves.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Aug 26 16:03:44 EDT 2003
  
  coz it has a lot of depth and structure which CAN be consciously figured out in certain patterns
  
  SHOULD BE
  coz it has a lot of depth and structure which CANNOT be consciously figured out in certain patterns.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.27) on: Thu Aug 28 15:12:52 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  
  thx. anyway i was expecting an answer frm ARR fans, hence this delay in replying 2 u. as i havnt found any answers frm them i assume urs 2 be the final answer.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Aug 28 16:43:48 EDT 2003
  
  RS,
  Thx.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.112) on: Thu Aug 28 22:00:08 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam...i am not knowledgeable in Music....like MIL..
  but I feel....South Indian Music...are still raw...and can only be enjoyed by certain group of people....if any fusion were to be involved...it has 50-50 chances of appealing to others...
  
  where as Hindustani's music...is not raw anymore i think...it has been into fusion for years...and so..another composition with fusioning the music is not a shock to anyone..and so...doign it has more % of success...
  
  this is IMHO...
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.97.244) on: Thu Aug 28 23:42:32 EDT 2003
  
  In ARR's words,
  
  South Indians are very open and they will appreciate many music forms. nortth indians on the other hand are very narrow-minded and they will not like any thing new to th eir culture. this is the reason it is hard totake our typical tamil music to these folks.
  
  
  It is very simple than this. ARR chooses to do the kind of music that is suitable for fusion. HE feels tamil music is too pure for random musical experimantation. His job is to do music and not to be a linguistic fanatic saying i am tamil i want to p[romote tamil and all that.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.152) on: Fri Aug 29 07:14:30 EDT 2003
  
  Paran and V,
  
  both of u contradict each other. which shall i answer to ?????
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 167.202.196.72) on: Fri Aug 29 08:47:31 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam, i don't understand ur point. i have been silent observer here. you asked a question and there are two answers..you got to attend them both. why do you think both of them should answer in the same way ?! not all ARR fans need to have the same ideas & opinion.
  
  if i'm allowed to answer, then i agree more with V's answer.. ARR is ultimately doing music for films here and he has to be commercially successful as well. doing experiments ?? ..mmm, it takes time and you should be ready to face failures. During IR's time, it was different. He had equal number of failures as his successes in his early days (guys who don't agree, pls go thru his movie list during his earlydays). probably 'coz he was doing all sorts of experiments. But, now the market is very different. If ARR gives 3 or 4 failures continously, he is written-off ! the simple reason is that there is heavy competition. there are alternates available. hope i made my point.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Fri Aug 29 10:55:24 EDT 2003
  
  Rajesh,
  The only problem is, if there is only 3-4 movies made and all of them dont find their place, whatever you might call, experimentation and all that, it just exposes the void-ness.
  
  Paran,
  I am not a Musical Genius. I know very little. If you see, i said, IR surely has more depth of Tamil Music.
  
  I reposted my message highlighting the difference of thought process,
  
  
  Somebody has to know and have the utmost understanding of Tamizh music is, coz it has a lot of depth and structure which can be consciously figured out in certain patterns. For ex: Pan pazham panjuram is raag Sankharabaranam, so in parallesim of music and depth, there is a lot.
  IT TAKES TIME FOR ANYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT DEPTH, IN THIS COMMERCIAL WORLD, i would not blame anybody for churning out stuff that lasts with what the changing needs of the generation wants.
  
  Only people who think that they have to do more and not satisfied with themselves to create beautiful music will take that effort, and I have to tell you one such person is IR.
  
  I am not sircastic, but truly dont undermine any MD.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Fri Aug 29 15:02:03 EDT 2003
  
  Paran,
  One more thing, I dont accept the fact of the 'RAW' thing and chances of getting appealed. ex: Madurai Mani Iyer played the english notes in the Carnatic swaras, this was done in Thillana moganambal, Still the gr8 TV Shankarnarayan does it in concerts. It is how you present it. If you present in the correct format, people will surely accept it.
  
  But understanding the nuances might take time too. It is a matter of who the audience is.
  
  PS:
  Can we open up another forum for these kind of issues, we always get into explaining back and forth in a discussion that does not suit the topic.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.87) on: Fri Aug 29 15:41:52 EDT 2003
  
  Rajesh,
  
  accepted that i had to answer them both. but my good friend MIL has made me realise that we go on discussing things which r irrelavant to this forum, so i stop this here.
  some how watever topic is being discussed gets us back to IR-ARR clash. as there is no judge except sane and logical discussions to make one of us realise that the others stand is justified there is going to be no end for this.
  finally i request all ARR and IR fans not to bring in issues irelevant to the forums topic anymore.
  may be this issue wat we r discussing can be shifted to the thread started by V 'musical merits and demerits of IR and ARR'. ill be answering shortly to V and paran in that forum pls consider this suggestion.
  thx one and all
  
  

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