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Topic started by Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on Sat Oct 3 20:06:55 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Everyone is pretty bored and fed up with arguing on differences of opinions regarding MDs right ? After all typically, what would we TFMers discuss suppose we meet in person ?. Song discussions right ? So here is the thread.

Idea is someone will introduce a song and we all will discuss about the song, period. Limitation is we will automatically move to another song after 5 days of discussion. ie. anyone contributing to the thread after the first set of 5 days will have to come up with a new song!. Also whoever is starting first can state the ending date of five day period.

Some help from Ravi is required for this until some time for people to really start adhering to this.

BTW why 5 days ?? Obviously to keep the thread fresh and alive !!

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• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 22 05:07:48 EST 1999
  
  valamburi sangu ezhuppum naadhaththaip pOla un saareeram ezhuppum Osaiyil mayangugirEn. un kazhuththil iruppadhu valamburi thaan
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold1.uk.ibm.com) on: Fri Jan 22 05:45:13 EST 1999
  
  BB: normally ella kavingargalum penngaloda kazhuthai sangukku than udhaaranam kattaranga,
  enakku eppavume intha doubt irukku.
  
  oru velai shape-nale irukkumo
  even in captain magan in the song entha pennilum illatha ondru written by VM, it tells that
  Sangu kazhuthil paasi manigal
  
  Really want to know why is it the neck is compared with the sangu. nadhadhunaleye illai shape-naleya?
  pl. explain.
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 22 05:52:25 EST 1999
  
  rs: what i wrote before is my interpretation of it. i am not sure about the shape thing. of course, one shouldn't take it literally, as it will turn out to be an awful thing to imagine (as in inji iduppazaghi). so i think it is not due to the shape. but, things have become so cliched these days that people use expressions without even thinking about the meaning of them(poonkuyil, solaikkiLi etc).
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold5.uk.ibm.com) on: Fri Jan 22 05:59:29 EST 1999
  
  BB: i think ilakkiyangal-la kooda kazhuthai sangukku than compare pannangannu ninaikkaren. pl. confirm
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 22 06:06:51 EST 1999
  
  i don't know much about early literature, rs.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-90-11.sprint.ca) on: Sun Jan 24 00:58:56 EST 1999
  
  Hi
  
  You guys have picked an absolutely wonderful song to discuss about. I listened to it just recently and was mesmerized by its beauty. I couldn't understand how something so beautiful as the tune of this song came to RAJA. But then, I think that about all wonderful songs. Personally, I liked the female version better than the male version and the duo. Contradicting all points of Chitra not having good pronunciation in early times. I just don't understand it. And I believe that the voice has brought out a sweet emotional side to the song. Try listening to the song on a quiet night and you will all understand. When I listen to this song with its beautiful tamil flowing harmoniously like an ARUVI I just feel so glad that I can understand this language. Unfortunatly, I don't have the song to give you all a musical view of it.
  P.K:-( Also that would give me a great excuse to listen to the song as much as I want without my family complaining that I have gone WACKO:-))
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-29.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Sun Jan 24 12:49:21 EST 1999
  
  Guys good song, no doubt in that. But you have been giving credits to wrong person.
  Lyricist is Gangai Amaran and not Vairamuthu
  
  All the songs in this film was written by GA
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.27.28) on: Mon Jan 25 14:41:35 EST 1999
  
  thanx for the information. gangai amaran had once complained before that raja gives only dappanguthu songs to him and asks VM to pen nice songs. but i have been surprised to see many nice songs penned by GA.
  speaking of this song, iam surprised once again as to why raja is not using chithra much these days except of course in mallu songs.
  
  this song bears a strong characteristic of 80s raja music. simple tune, (in the sense u can hum this tune casually while doing u'r work), but at the same time possessing enough depth to captivate ones's mind.
  
  whenever i hear songs like these, i always get the wrong impression that 'oh! how simple the tune is! raja should have composed this song without even thinking for a second!'.
  
  
• From: RS (@ sungold5.uk.ibm.com) on: Tue Jan 26 05:45:26 EST 1999
  
  Thanks for the info Ramki. enakku kooda theriyaathu GA ezhuthi irukkar-nu.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.15) on: Tue Jan 26 11:44:57 EST 1999
  
  simple tune , vijay ? I thought it was one of the most difficult ..hmm.. any way it is IMO
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.159) on: Tue Jan 26 12:58:53 EST 1999
  
  murali sankar,
  as i have clearly written, what i have meant is that it is a simple tune TO SING and not a simple tune TO COMPOSE!
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.19) on: Tue Jan 26 17:09:00 EST 1999
  
  Hai vijay,
  
  I am sorry I meant both,it IS difficult to sing too. this is because the of the alternating swara patterns that fill the entire song. Try your best and I assure you'll not be able to render correctly unless you try it very hard.(IMO)
  
  
• From: SPS (@ ramses.erlm.siemens.de) on: Wed Jan 27 03:49:08 EST 1999
  
  RS: I feel "sangu" is used to describe "kazhuththu", bcos of its white color and also smoothness [vaLavaLappu?]
  
  btw, in the 2nd stanza, its goes, aNaiththu nanaindhathu thalaiyaNai thaan I never understood the funda of this line, though this phrase comes in few other songs too!
  
  He describes his "longing" situation in the second stanza I guess. "aduththa vari enna eduppathu naan" sounds very nice as he seem to be in loss of words to describe is "pasalai" state ;)
  
  But, I dont know why it suddenly changes its mood [in terms of lyrics] in the line, "ninaikka maRandhaai, thanitthup paRandhEn"..
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold3.uk.ibm.com) on: Wed Jan 27 05:25:31 EST 1999
  
  PS: anaithu nanaidhadhu thalaiyanai thaan.
  thalayanaiyai kattipidichittu azhutha thalaiyanai nanaiyathane seyyum.
  athaithaan kavingar refer panraaru.
  
  I think so . ethukku vambu. bb vanthu vera ethavathu expln. koduthaalum koduppan
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Wed Jan 27 05:56:41 EST 1999
  
  rs,
  could it be that thalaivi is overcome by viragathaapam at the thought of her estranged man, and hugs her pillow? in the process, avaL viyarvai thalaiyaNaiyai nanaiththirukkalaamaallavaa? VM has used this metaphor quite often.
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Jan 27 14:04:11 EST 1999
  
  viyarvai??!!! might be something else! naan onnum solla varallai..neengalaa purinjukkonga..namma poets have written quite a few double meaning lines before, i can see only a single meaning in this, which is not appropriate to be put in the forum..
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.18) on: Wed Jan 27 17:43:38 EST 1999
  
  SPS, I am sorry, but your question cannot be answered in newtfmpage, but somewhere else. I think cram came close to it, though is not ....perfectly right. Ippadi tharmasangadamaana keLvigal ketkireengale :)))))
  
  bb:
  
  aptly said.
  
  
• From: SPS (@ semiramis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Thu Jan 28 00:03:44 EST 1999
  
  Murali: ;)) indha thread romba thideer thideer'nu silent aaiduthaa? athu thaan indha maathiri achchu-pichchu'nu ethaavathu kEttu uyir kudukka vENdi irukku.. btw, is this song really written by GA? TFSA page says its VM?! ;))
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ compq1.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Jan 28 05:40:57 EST 1999
  
  PS:keezhE vizhundhaalum meesaile maN:)))
  
  
• From: SPS (@ semiramis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Thu Jan 28 05:56:30 EST 1999
  
  BB: nee thaan Edaa-koodaamaa, ethO sollittu Odip pOittaa..
  
  btw, its time for next song.... any suggestions?
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold4.uk.ibm.com) on: Thu Jan 28 08:10:44 EST 1999
  
  Can anyone confirm whether this song is written by GA or VM pleeeeeeeeeeeeeez?
  
  BB: enakku lesa puriyuthu nee enna solla varennu.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ hydrec2.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Thu Jan 28 11:30:00 EST 1999
  
  Hi All,
  
  I would like to discuss the song " Azhagiya Kannae, Uravugal Neeye..', which is my all-time favourite in FM(T,T,H,M etc).
  Actually, I have discussed this song in some other thread( i think that was in response to someone who commented that the interludes of the song didn't go with the song..it incensed me like anything because if there is one song that can be suggested as a lesson to Sixth standard students on how to compose a classic that suits the mood of the situation in the movie, this song is that song, (IMO)).
  
  The hero of this song is again our maestro. The situation is that a young mother, with a tyrant for husband , is spending some beautiful moments with her children. The tender feelings of motherhood are so beautifully brought out in the first stanza.I mean, the music says it all.
  Then the second stanza goes on to describe her feelings about the state of her marriage... and her determination to tolerate her husband's tyranny for her childrens' sake.
  The third stanza is the most touching of all. The visuals are a despondent ashwini brooding sadly as her children prance happily nearby, unaware of the turmoil their mother is going through.
  
  To begin with , the prelude. A pleasant beautiful piece heralds the visual showing ashwini interacting with her children . A pleasant family scene..minus the tyrant husband ofcourse.
  The lyrics are also evocative and bring out the situation perfectly.
  "Azhagiya Kannae uravugal neeye.
  Nee inge ..ini naan ange..enn seyalla thai nee"
  
  Simple but all the same describing the character's feelings neatly.
  The first intrlude shows a typical morning,probably , in the household.
  Ashwini "Kulipaattufies"(Couldnt get a proper English word for that!) her children ..they generally play around...One can feel the sentiments of the mother , the pride and satisfaction in watching her children prancing and
  prattling around gaily by hearing the BGM in this interlude alone. One visual that is still etched in my mind from this interlude is one hsowing an "AAdu thullifying". You can almost feel the thullal in the flute piece raja has accorded for the visual. Actually, I noticed it only after, B.Lenin, the editor of the movie, who went on to make some award-movies(and a sodhappal movie called "Solla Thudikkuthu manasu") later himself, narrated the story of the song's creation( I couldnt have used this word in a better context) :
  It is a well-known fact that Mahendran is a director who plays much emphasis on visuals. He has a vision on the picturisation of his songs much before he actually shoots. Apparently, he requested raja for a special piece for this particular visual and how well the maestro responded!!
  
  Hats off to Mahendran and Isaignani!
  
  Coming back to the song, the first stanza continues in the vein of the interlude.
  "Sangam kaannadhadhu tamizhumalla..
  Thannai ariyaathaval Thayumalla..
  Enn veettil ebdrum chandrodyam
  Naan kandaen Velli Nilaa"
  I dont know how to interpret these lyrics in light of the situation. I leave it to experts who seem to be aplenty in this thread.
  The second interlude has some beautiful visuals matched ably by raja.
  The ones I remember most fondly are two:
  1. Ashwini and her son are washing clothes on the athangarai. Little Anju is lurking nearby watching her brother and mother. They "Pizhunjufy" the wet clothes and Anju follows suit ,trying to pizhunjify her wet paavadai. It is so cute to watch...if you see what I mean(That too, Anju looks so cute in the movie). The point is if you give me only the audio of the song, I can point out where exactly this scene comes. Such is the power of ISaignani's music to seamlessly integrate with the scene's mood.(And someone had the gall to say that THIS song had interludes that didnt match the mood of the song..)
  2. A scene where the son gets a thorn ripping his toes and ashwini removes it...the pain and anxiety of the mother is shown beautifully by ashwini.
  
  The second stanza deals with her hopes for the childrens' future...
  "Sorgam eppothum nam kaiyile..
  Athai naan Kaangiren Unn kannile..
  Enn nenjam endrum kannadi thaan ..
  Enn theivam mangalyam thaan.."
  I have always loved these lines, even though they sound regressive. The firm determination to keep her flock united is clearly enunciated here-"Enn deivam Maangalyam thaan". I never understoood the reference to her nenjam being a kannadi, though. :)
  
  Then comes the most(emotionally) disturbing part of the song... It has one visual which still sends a sinking feeling in my heart whenever I think of it..
  The Third interlude starts with a haunting flute piece that always moves me to tears...even as mahendran shows a series of "Patta Marams" culminating in a depressing visual where Ashwini is contemplating despondently on how the future of these children will be(hence the patta marams) , with her children involved in some game of their own nearby. The little daughter tries to bring her mother's attention to some matter of utmost importance to her(the daughter). But Ashwini, drowned in her ponderings , is too peoccupied to respond. There is , if I am right(and I am not sure if I am), a chorus-violin here and usually, bythis time I am drowned in tears myself and run away from the TV, unable to watch any further.
  The third stanza desribes ashwini's feelings towards her marriage..obviously, it is not an ideal one..still , being a typical indian housewife, she is willing to stoically submit to fate and suffer in silence..the sanctity of the "Thali" being the supreme aspect pof marriage.
  "Manjal endrendrum Nilaiyaanathu..
  Mazhai vanthaalume Kalaiyaathathu..
  Nam veettil Endrum Kalaiyoduthu..
  Enn nenjam Alaiyaaduthu."
  If Ilaiyaraaja had composed just this one song and composed no further or never previously, I would still consider him the ULTIMATE GENIUS. Like it is said that " There is an instance of the universe in all our minds", this one song embodies all that is great about the Maestro... A song bringing out the essence of the situation, the feelings of the character; a haunting and captivating tune; beautiful and melodious interludes, which dont digress away from the mood of the scene; wonderful orchestration;..what not?
  
  As it stands, the maestro has come up with many more such gems, only re-proving his genius.
  
  Mahendran also deserves equal kudos. All these Manirathnams and shankars should wear a "vaal-pant" , take a "balappam" and "slate", go prostrate before him and learn the art of picturisation from him. What a director...
  
  And ashwini deserves special mention, too. What expressions she came up with.
  
  I can go on and on about this one song...but then , all things, even this posting, must have an end..even the dreariest of rivers winds up in the sea ultimately...So, I'll stop here..and eagerly await the reactions of all of you experts lurking out there. Do pour in your opinions. I am sorry if this thread is supposed to concentrate on lyrics only.. I have not delved much upon the lyrics here..primarily because I ain't no literary chap and also, there are some parts of this song which I havent completely deciphered in the context of the situation. I am sure you are going to help me with that in a few hours :)
  Thank you in advance,
  Raj
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-19.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Thu Jan 28 11:50:50 EST 1999
  
  SPS and Rs its definitely by GA im 10000000% sure about this
  
  

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