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Getting sick of IR vs ARR debates

Topic started by RV (@ avntfw.avanticorp.com) on Tue Jun 16 20:48:55 EDT 1998.
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For the last few months every other thread has become an IR vs ARR thread. Ravi, can you make a permanent thread with a topic heading like "IR is god; Everybody else except ARR is non-god; ARR is the devil". At least, it would reduce the clutter in the TFMDF!

Ironically, I am adding more clutter...

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• From: Srinath (@ socks7d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 12:14:05 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry :-) ! The thread is called "Stranger in the mirror..."
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks7d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 12:26:07 EDT 1998
  
  Bharat:
  "Some think that an art form like music can be evaluated without personal bias."
  I think I suggested that in an earlier thread...and I sincerely believe in it. As for being 'open-minded', my only complaint about that is that it will make me accept poorer quality. Now, why sould I do that ? What would you like this forum to be - old ladies praising each other at a kitty party ? :-) That's not very interesting, is it? Man could not have come this far if not for his passion for certain things. And IMO, the greatest passion is the passion for truth. I am only seeking to find who is better - IR or ARR. FYI, I probably would not have posted a single message in DF had it not been for the raging IR Vs. ARR controversy. Now, if you think that the DF could very well do without people like me, that's a different matter:-))). While statistics and song names are interesting to a certain extent, it is only man's passion in something that makes life worth living. Could you be passionate about what songs have the word 'Priya' in them ? It can be amusing, but not stimulating.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 207.24.93.53) on: Wed Jun 17 13:27:36 EDT 1998
  
  Some of the earlier posts were hilarious. Creating a permanent boxing ring is a good idea.
  
  Why not have an updated score/knock out - meaning the number of posts to IR vd ARR bashes and update it in the main page everyday?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jun 17 13:31:20 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath, here's a response to a few of your postings. I'm a firm believer in experiencing music along with other art forms as an unbiased fan. I choose what I want to hear, watch, or experience, much the same way I choose what I want to eat, totally depending on my mood. I find nothing stimulating about who's better than whom discussions--they are adolescent and indulging in them shows a deep need to acquire validation of one's tastes. I certainly don't need that for my musical taste. I have NEVER EVER asked anyone to come support ARR, I couldn't give a rat's behind about any MD winning or losing in a juvenile argument. Once in awhile, I get pulled in when I see Srikanth getting sucked into a dispiriting argument or when outright lies are perpetrated as facts, but I certainly don't relish it. I agree that listing PRIYA songs is not the height of discussion euphoria, but if you have the time and the inclination, please check out all the old threads I have been reviving and you will know what stimulating discussions are all about. I mostly concentrate on discussions about lyrics because with lyrics we're inherently dealing with poetry, thought, symbolism and other
  tirade-free pursuits. The warning I gave the newcomer was to brief him on the mistake he was about to make,just like I did when I began in DF, to think he can air his views without being goaded and drawn into a mud-slinging match. Also, my posting was tinged with an oh-boy-here-we-go-again sarcasm that may have missed your eye. Setting up a permanent thread for those who find these fights stimulating will stop the cancer in one
  area rather then have it spread all over the current discussions. Also, few people care to check the Archives to see if what they come up with has already been discussed. I'm volunteering to itemize the Archives right now, and
  believe me, if repetitive threads were curtailed, I would be done in an hour. Right now, I'm still trying to plough through the maze that it is.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Wed Jun 17 14:42:15 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath:
  
  My posting is merely addressed to you, not about you. I just wanted to address some concerns after seeing your posting. We've already had that argument in a previous thread and I wasn't planning to continue that here :-).
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks9d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 15:02:42 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya sir:
  Please go through your last posting and you will find that it too expresses a 'deep need to acquire validation of one's tastes'. You get pulled into an argument when "outright lies are perpetrated as facts". It is the same in my case. Many claims of ARR fans are untrue and arise out a 'deep need to acquire validation of one's tastes'.
  
  I don't understand why the comment about the 'Priya' topic irked you so much. Did you initiate that thread ? I am sorry, I actually found the thread interestingly amusing. I didn't mean it as an insult. Neither do I have the time nor do I have the inclination to pull up ALL old threads revived by you. But I do go through some of them. in fact you can find my response in the "Psychology of Transition" thread. Though I am not too sure that you are going to like what you find. Lest you be mistaken, please note the date - I responded before you made your last posting here.
  Of all things, stimulants are the most subjective. What's meat for you may be poison for me. In all my discussions I have tried to explain how exactly my comments are related to the topic. If I remember right, I addressed it directly to you last time.
  
  To me it is neither a validation of my tastes nor is it a wish to see a particular MD winning. My comments are solely evolved from the fact that I have a distinct definition for music and I abide by it. The topics I entered in were all pertaining to IR. I kept my comments within context and my words as logical as possible. But most of all, I did not attempt to categorize another person's psyche. I only sought to express my opinions. Mr.Udhaya, if indeed you wanted to judge others' emotional and psychological needs, perhaps you need to talk to the 'Juniors' and 'Reasonings' of this DF.
  
  And do you know how I choose my food ? I only eat wholesome food AND then again ONLY if it appeals to my tastes.
  
  Perhaps you missed my last posting, sir. I would like to invite you to air your views on "Strangers in the mirror...". If you could take the trouble to scroll up a couple of pages, you'd find what the topic is all about.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jun 17 17:05:57 EDT 1998
  
  Srinath, I hope this is the last time I have to address this issue. I addressed you in my6b previous posting because you had mentioned my name along with Srikanth in your posting here. I was defending my part in the IR Versus ARR fights. I do get pulled in once in awhile but I also said I don't relish it. So if you want to quote me you should quote the whole sentence. I did read your postings in the Psychology in Transition thread. Your second posting is what that thread is about, although I wished you didn't bring a combative tone to that thread because the whole reason (not psychology) that I revived that thread was to appease the disputes spreading in DF. Everyone explaining how they came about liking what they listen to sheds light on their personal transition in musical taste. If you didn't like my take on people's taste that's fine, it's no big deal to me. I'm not a fascist to want everyone to like what I like.By the way psychology doesn't have to take the back seat to reasoning because psychology does study reasoning.
  Another repeated error in your and other self-proclaimed IR backers is always deeming Srikanth and I as ARR backers. Srikanth has been screaming our eyes off to say that isn't the case, that he is a musician who appreciates everyone. I have in every thread mentioned that I like all music, yet I get slotted in the ARR camp because I mentioned I like his music and defended a false claim that ARR recordings of female singers was no good. I admit I got suckered into that one, but that's the kind of argument I don't want to get into. Setting up permanent threads for these disputes will dictate to me what threads to avoid.
  As for the reference to the Archives in my note, it was to prove the efficiency of a designated permanent thread against the same topic showing up in many disguises with the same intent--dissing each other.
  As for your gracious invitation to participate in the Stranger in the mirror, I will turn it down because I don't think I have anything valid to add there and also I regret it could be a trapping to get into more fruitless arguments. We seem to be on different wavelenghts. Let's leave it at that. Please enjoy yourself in DF. I plan to.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks12d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 17 17:34:27 EDT 1998
  
  Mr.Udhaya,
  I could easily claim that you wrote a lot and yet said very little. But I too don't relish the idea of personal attacks in a public forum like this. For one, I am not an IR backer and nor do I call you an ARR backer. IMO, reason is an absolute in itself and any attempt to study it is like trying to find out why A is A. As for combative tones, you first picked up the cudgel against my opinions. I don't remember expressing any anguish over your preferences of music or the logic behind them. Perhaps, if you cared to read the offending post again (where I first mentioned your name along with Srikanth's), you would find that I said that I prefered people like you and Srikanth defending ARR rather than listening to people like 'Junior' and 'Reasoning' who make statements like, "I am fresh and ready to take up the fight...". I am afraid you have been rather hasty in your inferences, sir. Perhaps it is the influence of the numerous attacks that you have borne over a period of time in the DF. I rather sympathise with you. As for turning down the offer of participating in "Stranger in the mirro..." perhaps it is just as well. I intended that as a truce offering between hard core MD fans. Since you claim to be outside that spectrum, it would be totally out of context for you. However, I regret the additional reason that you have given for not joining in in that discussion. In the first place, any additional reason was unnecessary. Secondly, you jumped to yet another concluion about me.
  
  
• From: RV (@ avntfw.avanticorp.com) on: Wed Jun 17 21:47:18 EDT 1998
  
  
  Ravi, your response awaited!
  
  
• From: Animal Lover (@ ) on: Wed Jun 27 11:49:14 EDT 2001
  
  This is cool.
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1408000/1408434.stm
  
  
  It is proved that Cows produce more milk when they listen to slow classical pieces. If any one of DFers
  has a cow at their home, can you do a similar kind of experiment on IR and ARR's music? Let us do a research and find out whose music yields more milk. This will solve our IR vs ARR debate
  
  
  
• From:   (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Wed Jun 27 12:24:00 EDT 2001
  
  then start a new one,....
  who's tune yields more milk
  ir or arr
  
  :)
  
  

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