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Mass Appeal

Topic started by dishkyoom (@ 160.81.7.18) on Wed Aug 16 18:56:13 EDT 2000.
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When it comes to "Mass-Appeal" in current TFM, I think this is how the rating goes.
1. ARR
2. Deva
3. IR
4. Other MDs

What r ur opinions?

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Responses:

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• From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Fri May 3 11:41:09 EDT 2002
  
  and about the Sivaji-Madhavan comparision, thats BS..... someone who just wanted to have fun had posted it, and ROTFL as usual, as it was ARR who was getting bashed, jumped into the fight by pulling down IR's name, which resulted in the whole big (as usual, useless) fight, and waste of so much space in newtfmpage server..... hmm.... iam thinking if the admin guys charge us, would be fighting like that...... :-)....
  
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 11:44:52 EDT 2002
  
  Of course ROTFL had to jump in.
  Like u said, a man's got to do what a man's got to do. :-)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Fri May 3 11:49:13 EDT 2002
  
  WhyNot - i did not say that..... ROTFL said that, and i quoted him, and now you quote that me back saying that i said what he said as i said :-).... hmm.... i want VISU to say this in a *different* sentence...... "mudhallaaa avaan sonnaaan.... appuraaam avaan solra madhiri naan sonaaeeen.... appuraam naan sooneenu neengaaa solreengaa.... anaa, actualaa, avaan sonadhai naan solle, naan sonaadhaaa neenga sonna sentence, mudhallaa avaan sonandhaaa naan copy adicha sentence....."
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Sat May 4 00:45:28 EDT 2002
  
  sabesan,
  
  >>>> and i don't think there is no Number 1, cause simply there is no number 1..... ARR may be GREAT, he may be/is creating wonders, but as of now, there is no number 1
  
  Vidunga, I am sure ARR fans won't agree to that ...
  
  10 years back IR fans were arguing for the same thing when IR was losing mass appeal (he was in shadow atleast for two - three years - till Kaathalukku Mariyaathai was released !) .... now its ARR fan's turn !
  
  The problem is there is no 'genuine' and 'unbiased' report on tamil cassette sales which we can refer to and say who is selling and who is not - Many people in TN Do not buy the original cassettes - they instead record the songs in their own combination ... that makes the process very difficult,
  
  till that point, ARR fans will be telling 'all big guys approach ARR, so he is No. 1' and we will be telling, 'his recent album's sales was not good according to my oNNu vitta machan's daughter' ....
  
  Ada vittuth thaLLungappaa :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Sat May 4 03:45:24 EDT 2002
  
  WN,
  anubavam pEsudhO...I'm sure that's what made u post a reply
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.153) on: Sat May 4 03:48:19 EDT 2002
  
  And if you remember, IR had fallouts with so many producers-the big ones like-balaji(who went to chandrabose),AVM(again CB), sridhar who went to SPB.so here,all the big guys approached others at some stage.Chandrabose actually started taking himself seriously !but rajini always came back yo IR.but IR ,I thinks cares nothing for allthese big names(like ARR is now doing)
  Can ARR fans give me some eg of a director or an artiste who grew in market value and stature along with ARR (one I can remember is shankar)This is a serious question.no nakkal intended.-If you take IR,the list is so long-starting from BR(and his sishyas),kamal,rajini,mahendran,maniratnam,panju arunachalam,balu mahendra...Three established names who switched over to IR after he became popular were sridhar(who had a career revival with Ilamai..),again AVM-career revival with muratukaalai,KB(career revival with sindhu bairavi)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sat May 4 04:08:38 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro, I dont think having fallouts wit many people is something to be proud of. I'm glad ARR has better interpersonal skills and behaves more professionally. Choosing his 'business partners' carefully is a good skill for a commercial music director (which he is)... and I hope he doesnt make the mistake of picking the wrong directors to work for.
  He was asked this question during a Ponggal Interview by KTV (by Pepsi-ungal choice-fame-Uma), and he replied that when he puts in so much effort into getting the music right, it is good to work with others who are capable of putting in an equal amount of effort in their areas as well, as it is a team effort. He added there were exceptions when he sometimes chose certain assignments for the heck of it. I think what strikes you as big names strikes ARR as sincere people who put in the required effort into their art (which is probably why they are big names).
  btw, didnt Rajini turned to Deva before going to ARR?
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Sat May 4 05:30:55 EDT 2002
  
  for all u know....he might've ;-)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Sat May 4 05:35:44 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS:
  The film TS actually got released and I saw its small posters in madhurai.
  
  Regarding BW, I think he is an ince above YSR at the current scenario.
  
  BW was hitting bull eye with dir. saran. ALL there film music were hit.
  
  Now he has 4 films released and all four are doing well.
  Gemini, Raajiyam, Tamil and Rooja koottam.
  RK songs are a big hit in TN. I listened it in many places while travelling. Gemini---even though one song---people are mad about it...(I personally sis not like any of the album and O podu will be the last song I will hear.)
  
  But, lets approach facts as facts, I am equidistant from YSR and BW and even though , I believe YSR will have an edge in a long run, right now, I believe my opinion is an unbiased one on this matter.
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Sat May 4 06:07:35 EDT 2002
  
  Not TS, its JS (Junior Senior)
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Sat May 4 06:51:51 EDT 2002
  
  Eppadiyaa neenga entha topicai eduthalum athai IR puraanamma akkaringa.
  as on date mass appeal ratings (authenticated by VS) are
  1. Baradhwaj
  2. Vidyasagar
  3 YSR
  4 Deva
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.21.116) on: Sat May 4 07:04:11 EDT 2002
  
  to add to the previous posting.. "as on date" (subject to change next week)
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Sat May 4 16:53:53 EDT 2002
  
  One important criterion to evaluate Mass Appeal is the anticipation and eagerness of TFM listeners to listen to the MD's next creation.
  I'm not in touch with the pulse of TFM listeners, especially in the southern districts. But, I don't think any of the MDs in vengayam's list cause a sense of eager anticipation. ARR surely does.
  
  
• From: Normal man (@ 202.12.233.21) on: Sun May 5 03:11:03 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro,
  A small correction......Sridhar's last movie was the movie Vikram was inroduced. IR scored the music. Sridhar had IR consistently in all his movies till he stopped direction. True the 2 gave unbelievable numbers....
  
  
• From: seham colemn (@ 202.71.151.68) on: Sun May 5 04:52:19 EDT 2002
  
  to all the idiots over there
  if u know anything about music
  then post some thing else
  keep quite
  ARR IS A musician
  WHERE AS IR is a MAGICIAN
  stop the comparison b/w
  IR n ARR
  IR is of different standard
  ARR is a child
  ARR age = IRs experience
  with the help of pop music
  ARR can never emulate IR
  
  
• From: seham colemn (@ 202.71.151.68) on: Sun May 5 04:52:25 EDT 2002
  
  to all the idiots over there
  if u know anything about music
  then post some thing else
  keep quite
  ARR IS A musician
  WHERE AS IR is a MAGICIAN
  stop the comparison b/w
  IR n ARR
  IR is of different standard
  ARR is a child
  ARR age = IRs experience
  with the help of pop music
  ARR can never emulate IR
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Sun May 5 23:04:59 EDT 2002
  
  If IR is a magician let him compete with PC SOrcar (Jr) & David Copperfield! If he is a musicianlet him compete with Sirpy & SARajkumar as well as the ones mentioned above.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon May 6 01:38:23 EDT 2002
  
  I'm glad ARR has better interpersonal skills and behaves more professionally. Choosing his 'business partners' carefully is a good skill for a commercial music director (which he is)...
  
  Interesting Points.
  
  IMHO, That is another difference in the approaches between IR and ARR. IMO, ARR works in filmdom as a Professional and IMO, IR worked and still works as an artist in the filmdom. So ARR sees the directors as his business partners and each movie as a PROJECT (latest trend in cine field). So he makes project estimation, does cost benifit analysis and charges his "Professional fee" for the project as cash or % in audio sales(if it is so, my guess). This could be an inheritance from his jingles world experience.
  
  Whereas IR does it in an artist's approach, the conventional way. After his initial music learning he exposed himself into cine world where MDs, as an artists treat directors as artists and Producers as interested parties (owner but strictly not in business sense). So when he became popular atleast the core of this trend remained in his approach. This mentality/approach could be the reason, IMHO, i think, when, in other day in an older thread (srikanth in defence of MDs -- refer "intersting threads" section), Srikanth said something like "IR had returned his share of money for many of flopped movies. Even I(Srikanth) would not do like that".
  
  Hence, again IMHO, our perception of "Mass Appeal" of IR and that of ARR differs. We knowingly or unknowingly forget this when trying to compare a factor, say, like, "Mass Appeal" to IR and ARR while we discuss.
  
  I would like to go one step more and say that, this approach difference is also one factor for the behaviour of HCIRFs and HCARRFs.
  
  IR -> Artist's approach -> HCFs -> Like him as liking an artist -> Feel him as a part of their self -> Treating him even as Demi God -> Unable to digest his commerical downfall.
  
  ARR -> Professional approach -> HCFs -> Like him as a great professional -> See his outputs as professional outputs/delivery -> Finding the difference between themselves and HCIRFs.
  
  HCMSVFs also were like HCIRFs blamed IR when MSV's commerical downfall happened.
  
  But, i think when another X comes during ARR's commercial downfall there won't be this much "feelings" about the HCFs. The "fight" might be that of "professional's fight" -- just like Pepsi - Coke fight. Not triggered mainly due to sentiments but of profession. This is purely my guess.
  
  Otherwise, when fans see the output from a technical perspective they are in different plane to that of HCFs. They are neither artist's HCFs nor professional's HCFs. That is why the are compatible to switch between the artists.
  
  But I agree that this is a rough approach of description. Every one is human and would definitely have "sentiments". So in ARR's case (of downfall) that(HCF's behaviour) won't be as simple as i said.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon May 6 01:41:18 EDT 2002
  
  And I'm not implying to say which approach is the best or better or good. I saw them as two different approaches.
  
  

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