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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.129.31) on: Wed Aug 13 10:30:23 EDT 2003
  
  K, I also agree that creativity is not going to improve with time. In fact, I believe there are limits to creativity (e.g. age; can a 90 year old be as creative as say a 40 year old? For, if the answer is yes Semmangudi must fancy his chances!). It is probably good for the MD to compose as many movies as he can during his "peak" when his flow never seems to ebb (making hay while the sun shines and all that). This flow, however, surely has to become a trickle some time (there are rainy days indeed), IMO, making it relatively more difficult for the MD to produce innovative output. (As an aside, how can the flow become a trickle on a rainy day?!) Doing more albums then CAN impede upon the production of quality music, IMO. As an analogy, no matter how good or effective a teacher may be, his evaluation by his students tends to decline when he teaches the same course every semester. This is not theory, just empirical evidence. Presumably, the teacher reaches a point where he fails to provide optimal learning to his students. He needs a break at that point of time to recharge his batteries. In the same way, when the MD composes so many tunes, he inadvertantly produces stuff that is likely repetitive (a formula so to say), which in turn begins to jar on the ears of the listener. The music, arguably, loses its freshness. Not that doing less movies per year is insurance against this, though :)
  
  " ... only a few directors like kamal, MR or balumahendra wud give him more ideas on wat they had wanted and extract frm him the best for the situation they had in their mind. all other
  directors jus wanted any tune frm him cos they were a hit those days."
  
  A very important point. They are, in some sense, watchdogs of quality. If nothing else, giving more time for an album has the beneficial effect of ironing out some deficiencies, by providing enough time to listen critically to the product so as to improve upon the final output etc etc.
  
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.221) on: Wed Aug 13 14:17:01 EDT 2003
  
  wrt the topic,
  
  i was eagerly waiting to hear the song 'AAsai nooru vagai' after listening to it all my hopes were shattered. ive only one thing to say to YSR - "ayya saamy YSR nee engalukku theriyatha english illa vera mozhi paadalgalai copy adichi music kuduppa podhum. thayavu seithu appavodu patta remix pannrenu solli kedukatha".
  all other songs didnt impress much too, may be its bcos of the trend today that only after listening to the songs again and again in satellite channels or radios,that they bcom familiar and we like them.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.221) on: Wed Aug 13 14:41:35 EDT 2003
  
  M4E,
  'A very important point. They are, in some sense, watchdogs of quality. If nothing else, giving more time for an album has the beneficial effect of ironing out some deficiencies, by providing enough time to listen critically to the product so as to improve upon the final output etc etc.'
  
  even for these people IR didnt spend much time either. here too the tunes were instantaneous, i was jus saying that these directors had the capacity to put forward to IR wat they wanted and wat they had in their mind, once IR was able to get hold of the requirement the tune was delivered immtly. it wud hav taken time for IR to understand the idea behind the situation but not in composing the tune or orchestration. so the way u perceive time factor doesnt apply for IR.
  
  jus try listening to the first version of the cassette realesed for the film Guna where kamal, santhanabarathi and IR discuss over the song situations and listen to the way IR delivers to them instantly. its very interesting to hear kamal saying 'ithilla konjam vera madri.... pattu enga aarambikkuthunae theriya kudathu..., pesikkitae irukkum podhu aarambikanum, arputhamana kamagangal illama simple-aa' while explaining the situation for the song 'kanmani'.
  
  BTW does anyone hav that version of the cassette[in good condition ofcourse]. if so pls convert it to MP3 and upload it my cassette is spoilt and havent heard that version for almost 7/8 yrs.
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.180) on: Wed Aug 13 15:45:59 EDT 2003
  
  rajasaranam,
  
  that guna composing session is already available as MP3.
  
  I am sure that some of the things are edited in that cassette. Like unnecessary greeting and inquiries and also some more discussion stuff.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Wed Aug 13 17:40:37 EDT 2003
  
  Rajasaranam, I also believe that IR is a true legend of TFM. However, what I said still holds, which is that "If nothing else, giving more time for an album has the beneficial effect of ironing out some deficiencies, by providing enough time to listen critically to the product so as to improve upon the final output etc etc.". What you have said about IR I fully accept, no problem.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.212) on: Thu Aug 14 01:29:12 EDT 2003
  
  V,
  
  if possible pls provide me a link for that MP3.
  
  
• From: Ysr_fan (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Wed Aug 20 20:06:45 EDT 2003
  
  YSR is the only MD shows much variation in all his films. He is becoming master in composing in indian style. HJ music is good to listern, but completely western and it is uniform in all movies. Not much variation.
  
  IR,ARR-yesterday.
  
  Today- YSR.
  
  
  
• From: gm (@ ) on: Tue Sep 16 19:31:07 EDT 2003
  
  No doubt ARR is No.1. Boys is in the top 10.
  
  http://www.sunnt.com/suntv/super10/
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Tue Sep 16 20:53:32 EDT 2003
  
  Music4Ever..if IR composed only songs in the style he likes ..90% of the audience will not like it..even ardent fans of him like myself would find it boring..If he wanted to record stuff like the way he really wants it..it will be too costly ..99% of his work is a compromise from his point of view, I think. He has never done no holds barred compositions. Symphony #1 did not pan out well..Thiruvaasagam is surely a serious effort. FYI, IR does not rework his stuff too much mainly because he wants it to be really fresh and flowing..I am sure he does not mind spending time on recording it. Symphony #1 was recorded by Tony Faulkner one of the topmost (if not the top) recording engineers in the world. I am sure Thiruvaasagam also will have good sound engineering. The recording will be live, acoustic without any digital processing. This is how he likes it. For film music, the requirements and expectations are different, so the quality varies film by film.
  Ofcourse, there were cases were the singing/playing of instruments had problems. I am sure another take would have solved these.
  
  
• From: Vatsa (@ 160.83.32.14) on: Sat Sep 20 11:34:41 EDT 2003
  
  rajsarnam,
  
  I agree with you about the "Aasai nooru vagai" remix. what a waste of great hip song? I think even if its freshly recorded with a little sound enhancement it would be great. I remember when this song drew alot of attention in a school function when one of my friend sang this song on stage in the mid 90s (which is 16 years after the song was recorded).
  
  Vatsa
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.146) on: Sat Sep 20 15:10:56 EDT 2003
  
  i think after Boys success ARR is still alive....... he gave a rude shock to YSR,HJ who thought ARR was gone for sure.........Boys has sold 4 times more than Kadhal Kondein.... so there lies the answer...YSR has to completely destroy ARR then he can become the no.1
  
  
• From: Senthil (@ 172.188.186.3) on: Sun Sep 21 09:28:01 EDT 2003
  
  Hey people
  
  I really dont understand why you people say that Yuvan has used his fathers song "Aasai noru Vagai" in the movie KURUMBU...come on people it all depends upon the movie script and story narration...its nothing to do with yuvan and you cant blame him...it may be the idea of the director too...Its actually a really a good attempt and has done well for it...
  
  Also saying...Yuvan is the only music director who is mixing a lot of differnent style of music and giving good variety...its actually his style and he is proving(proved) that he can do anything different ...Yes its very clear that youth is the only target for music now and Yuvan knows that very clearly...I can guarentee that when music goes more techno and to ultra modern Yuvan will shine more...
  
  YUVAN is the top music director now and in the future
  
  
• From: Rajiv (@ ) on: Wed Oct 8 05:14:31 EDT 2003
  
  YSR is the MD of the future. All others such a VS and HJ will come and go but YSR is the only one who will last.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ ) on: Fri Oct 17 09:16:32 EDT 2003
  
  K, sorry for the delay, but I was away for a while. Re your reply, I will let most of that pass, for a response may not be taken (by the general reader, not you) in the spirit it is intended (honest criticisim and all that). The genius that he is, IR composed hundreds of gems no doubt. On the flip side of being spontaneous and highly prolific is the unpleasant reality (in retrospect, that is) of many tunes sounding repetitive, IMO. The flowing part referred by you I agree but I would contest the freshness part especially after the late eighties. It is not IR's fault. I believe it is the limitation to creativity imposed by commercial and other exigencies. IR could have treaded watchfully though.
  
  I also do not agree with your assessment of HJ in one of your earlier posts, in which you have said his music sounds ARR-ish. Maybe his orchestration is ARR-like but his tunes are really good, IMO. Two or three songs in Minnale, a couple in Majnu, two or three songs in 12B, most songs in Samurai, a few songs in Leysa Leysa and Kaaka Kaaka are gems, IMO. I think HJ is carving his own niche in TFM and is the one to watch out for in the future. My MD for tomorrow is unequivocally HJ for now. Of course sentiments might change with the passage of time!
  
  
• From: xml (@ 61.1.209.159) on: Sun Oct 19 07:58:57 EDT 2003
  
  HJ and YSR parallel now.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 217.44.93.223) on: Sun Oct 19 10:55:59 EDT 2003
  
  YSR is ahead of HJ now.
  
  
• From: Ramesh. (@ 217.44.93.209) on: Tue Oct 21 02:47:31 EDT 2003
  
  Many die hard ARR fans are still insisting that he is the best in TFM. Understand this my friends. ARR does not produce mucis in Tamil to the standard of his music in Hindi. If anything I would say that he has sold out on us Tamil fans.We fans bought his music for the past 10 years and made him what he is today.Now he is attracted by the glitz and glamour of HFM and does his best work there with the most effort.
  
  Why can't we accept that YSR is putting his utmost effort into TFM and doing his best to keep our ears entertained. People are so ready to bring down YSR and say that he is untalented and not a good MD. If we had done the same when ARR entered saying that IR is the best, ARR will never reach his standard, who knows where ARR would be today.
  Likewise, give YSR a chance, don't believe that he can't be better that ARR.My guess is that 5 years from now, YSR will be the MD that people are die hard fans for like they are for ARR now.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 61.1.209.97) on: Tue Oct 21 11:08:41 EDT 2003
  
  ARR's time = Roja-Alaipayuthe.
  Now YSR & HJ.
  
  If you consider BOYS then we can also declare many MD's as no.1 dhina-thiruda thirudi
  bharadwaj-gemini,manisharma-shajahan etc..
  
  No.1 MD should give continous hit.Flops will always happen.But it should not be a continous flop like ARR's after alaipayuthe.Now the competition is HJ and YSR.
  
  

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