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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: sundar (@ 61.11.73.133) on: Tue Sep 18 00:23:09 EDT 2001
  
  I do agree that Rafi could sing in higher pitch than SPB. also never did he lose his shruti. but that alone does not make him the greatest singer.
  
  I am great fan of rafi and SPB.Infact I am an amateur singer I benchmark the best songs of both the singers for my own practice and voice culture.
  
  I have experienced more difficulty in rendering SPB's gamakas than anybody else's. this is one outstanding natural gift to SPB.even you take a seemingly simple song like "raagangaL Padhinaaru"
  the gamakas produced by SPB are mind blowing and simply inimitable..
  
  And he has an amazing control of shruti and there are many songs as examples. in "neela Vaana OOdaiyil" when he sings the pallavi after the first charaNam he takes up the voice to taara deivatham and comes down with ease / smooth.
  
  Have you all listened to "nalladhor VeeNAi seidhe" in VaRumaiyin NiRam sivappu Where SPB essays a short alapana in "isai oru Pandhinaipol"
  where he demmonstrates outstanding shruti control range, bhaava and gamaka.
  
  In my opinion both the singers are almost equally great but perhaps SPB pips Rafi in the Final post on an overall versatility.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.243) on: Tue Sep 18 07:52:15 EDT 2001
  
  sundar, i am listening to spb right from 1970 onto (1978-1996)his peak period and even now. I have also heard lots of singers during this intervening period and also rafi, kishore, etc. the way in which spb render his sings is simply outstanding and his voice can never be matched by any one in India. Even the combined melody of all singers can never match his voice , the greatest gift from god to this man.I can dwell on spb's greatness and to a research on this genius versatility that can run to pages. but not interested as what is obvious need not elaborated
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.134) on: Tue Sep 18 07:54:45 EDT 2001
  
  Jag :
  
  >>>I think you are one of those fanatic "wise guy" who is oblivious to the truth.
  
  Did i ever say i thought Udit or Sonu Nigam was better than SPB. We are here to discuss Rafi & SPB and not other singers.
  
  
  Sundar :
  >>>perhaps SPB pips Rafi in the Final post on an overall versatility.
  
  Based mostly on a few facts, you think SPB is more versatile than Rafi. You haven't really proved so. You have shown a few songs which show his shruti, control and range and that alone to say he is more versatile. Please discuss more.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Sep 18 10:34:23 EDT 2001
  
  Dear IMF;
  
  
  SPB’s gamakas are indeed very difficult to render, like sures said, I am also an amateur singer here in UK, I sing mostly SPB’s, KJY’s Kishor kumar’s songs in concerts, out of these singers, I find SPB’s song the most difficult to render, take “kamban engu poonan, shali enna annal “, from jathi mali , where SPB sings in lower note the bit “ithu utham illamaiyin yutham”, then switches to highest not (ettankattai), then returns back to “nallankatai”, this is very difficult to do, I do not think that Rafi could have sang this with the same effect of SPB.
  
  Take “kaligan kattu kaval illatha veetai pola” from Kailgan, where he does the same thing, OK rafi could have sang this with the same effect, but Rafi lacks the heavy bass & punch of SPB, rafi’s soft voice is only good for soft melody songs, hence he can not be as versatile as SPB.
  
  Take , “naanum unthan uravai, naadi vantha paravai”, from the film “mythili ennai kadhali”, where the entire song is rendered in aranghattai to ettankattai, go and listen to that song, then comment on SPB high notes capabilities!
  
  Now coming back to lowest notes (muthalan ghattai), here undoubtly SPB rules over M.Rafi, because SPB has a heavy bass & punch than Rafi, to sing in lowest note, you must have these assets, else it would sound feminine & nasal, like Hariharan UK,Udit narayan, Kumar sanu, sonu nigam (real feminine voice). Rafi had soft melodius voice which is not all that good in lower notes. So SPB rules over Rafi in Lower notes & versatility.
  Take “sa re ga ree ga ma tha pa”, from shankaraparanm, all sung in lower notes (muthalnghatti to moondram ghattai), take “ oru jeevan thaan un paadal than oyamal isaikintrathu”, from naan adimai illai, where the entire song is sung in lower notes, what an excellent bass, this SPB has?
  
  As you remember TMS was very good at higher notes, but never ever good at lower notes, Balamurali Krishna also has good bass, he is also a great singer.
  
  SPB puts an expression to all words in a song with a special effect, which is his unique style, take “nalla thoor veenai seithen”, from varumayin niram sigappu, he delivers excellent expression to each word in the song, take “unnaken meele nindrai o nantha lala”, the song starts from melody, soon it changes to fast beat song, he sings that beautifully.
  
  Take “bum chicku bum chiku “, from singaravelan, when he sings with children, what a voice, the children seems to fall in love with this guys voice.
  
  The song “neela vaan oodiyal”, is sung in higher note, yet he show no strain or what so ever, instead delivers it beautifully!, rafi could not have done that as sweetly as SPB
  
  Take “engaeyum ippothum sangeetham santhosham”, from ninaithale innikum, what a songs, he rocks like Elvis, what more do you need from this genius???
  
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.228.98) on: Tue Sep 18 11:29:50 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvaran,
  Summa Araicha maavaiye araikathey...
  SPB maadhireye MANO ...paadaran...SPB...early 70s la paadina maadhiri Charan paaduraan...Enna Charanukku Sruthi...seriya sera mattengiradhu....
  Udit maadhri...unique..and different voice SPB KKU...KIDAYADHU...SPB..has very common voice which is easily immitated by all light music singers...SPB..yoda speciality....Variety...jaasthi...thats all..
  Voice melody mattum nu paarthal south le ye JAYACHANDRAN has better voice than SPB...
  LARA DUTTA..when she won Miss Universe title...it seems her mother asked her..Endi...nee indha street kke...AZHGI illai...Eppadi Miss Universe...ana??
  Sameway...inge South leye SPB...the BEST...kidaiyadu....All India level il..compare...
  Panreye....TNS
  
  
• From: Karan-London (@ 217.35.237.110) on: Wed Sep 19 02:44:00 EDT 2001
  
  SPB is a great singer, but I feel all his potential hindi songs are being given to Hariharan in Bollywood to sing!!!
  PLease let me know why SPB is not singing in hindi films any longer?
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.148.252) on: Wed Sep 19 04:28:12 EDT 2001
  
  the bollyhood and kodambakkam has found an unequal subsititute for the great spb. ofcourse there can be no substitue for spb.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Wed Sep 19 05:07:46 EDT 2001
  
  TNS;
  
  nee um unda ali brother udit um poi kakoosula poi nindu kaluthai pola kathungha, matra kaluthaighal such as Hariharn, kumar sanu, Sonu nigam, Shanker, srinivas ellam vanthui unnoda senthu kathum,
  
  udit narayan or guranku, athukku pola olla nasal feminine kural olla gathula entha madaiyanuulum illa, ooops, antha kaluthainda list illa hariharan, kumar sanu, shanker, srinivas pondra bathroom singers aiyum sethuko!. OK
  
  SPB 0.001% kaal thusum illai intha naikal. nee um unda aruvuketta posting um, poi tholai intha thread ill irunthu!
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 20 04:57:44 EDT 2001
  
  Dear IMF;
  
  Where are you, man show your self up with some fact to prove that Rafi is greater than SPB, I will then prove it back to you SPB is greatest ever!
  
  
• From: yogan (@ 213.237.15.4) on: Thu Sep 20 08:40:46 EDT 2001
  
  dear friends!
  Jesudas is the best singer in India.somebody is saying M.RAFI is the best, I dont think so. because yesudas voice is bass and depth and dianamic.He is not immetate other singers.In an interview the hindi film musicdirector Salil chawdry said that yesudas is unimmitable singer in Indian cinefield,and he compare with rafi,kishore, and mugesh.yesudas more talet than them that he meand.
  SPB NEVER reach mr.yesudas.as one friend said jeyachandran very good singer as yesudas.
  spb may be sang more than any other , that not means he is good.That knows spb very good.
  
  
• From: yogan (@ 213.237.15.4) on: Thu Sep 20 08:40:50 EDT 2001
  
  dear friends!
  Jesudas is the best singer in India.somebody is saying M.RAFI is the best, I dont think so. because yesudas voice is bass and depth and dianamic.He is not immetate other singers.In an interview the hindi film musicdirector Salil chawdry said that yesudas is unimmitable singer in Indian cinefield,and he compare with rafi,kishore, and mugesh.yesudas more talet than them that he meand.
  SPB NEVER reach mr.yesudas.as one friend said jeyachandran very good singer as yesudas.
  spb may be sang more than any other , that not means he is good.That knows spb very good.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 20 09:40:22 EDT 2001
  
  Yogan;
  
  What's wron with you man, so many spelling errors!, no problems, we all make mistakes.
  
  Your posting made me laugh & my belly is hurting like hell, "KJy voice has bass & depth", what a joke, joke of the century, KJY never ever had or has heavy bass like SPB, nor can he be as versatile as SPB, never ever, neverthe less KJY is great but he is no way near SPB, no one is near SPB, not even the great M.rafi, can come near SPB' voice, mind you Dr.SPB & Dr.KJY has great respect amongs each other.
  
  You name a song, whether classical, pop,light music, melody,devotional, he will sing it no prob, but KJY can not do this, he is only good for sad songs, classic or devotional. So How can KJY be the best???, are you mad???
  
  Can KJY express feelings like SPB's expression, when he sings, you must be kidding, KJY always sing every song with the same boring style, it becomes irritating to hear after some times!!!
  
  SPB is like "frog in the well", when it comes to Carnatic knowledge, yet look at his awsome performance in "shankaraparanam", If KJY sang that, it would not have suited the character, as KJY has a slight nasal voice at high pitches, plus he lacks the heavy bass of SPB.
  
  What's this about KJY can not be imitated, hmmmmm, then who do jeyachandran, Unnimenon & unni krishnan immitate???
  
  So the equation is :
  
  SPB > M.rafi> KJY> Kishor Kumar> mandey> PBS> TMS
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 20 09:42:02 EDT 2001
  
  SPB’s gamakas are indeed very difficult to render, like sures said, I am also an amateur singer here in UK, I sing mostly SPB’s, KJY’s Kishor kumar’s songs in concerts, out of these singers, I find SPB’s song the most difficult to render, take “kamban engu poonan, shali enna annal “, from jathi mali , where SPB sings in lower note the bit “ithu utham illamaiyin yutham”, then switches to highest not (ettankattai), then returns back to “nallankatai”, this is very difficult to do, I do not think that Rafi could have sang this with the same effect of SPB.
  
  Take “kaligan kattu kaval illatha veetai pola” from Kailgan, where he does the same thing, OK rafi could have sang this with the same effect, but Rafi lacks the heavy bass & punch of SPB, rafi’s soft voice is only good for soft melody songs, hence he can not be as versatile as SPB.
  
  Take , “naanum unthan uravai, naadi vantha paravai”, from the film “mythili ennai kadhali”, where the entire song is rendered in aranghattai to ettankattai, go and listen to that song, then comment on SPB high notes capabilities!
  
  Now coming back to lowest notes (muthalan ghattai), here undoubtly SPB rules over M.Rafi, because SPB has a heavy bass & punch than Rafi, to sing in lowest note, you must have these assets, else it would sound feminine & nasal, like Hariharan UK,Udit narayan, Kumar sanu, sonu nigam (real feminine voice). Rafi had soft melodius voice which is not all that good in lower notes. So SPB rules over Rafi in Lower notes & versatility.
  Take “sa re ga ree ga ma tha pa”, from shankaraparanm, all sung in lower notes (muthalnghatti to moondram ghattai), take “ oru jeevan thaan un paadal than oyamal isaikintrathu”, from naan adimai illai, where the entire song is sung in lower notes, what an excellent bass, this SPB has?
  
  As you remember TMS was very good at higher notes, but never ever good at lower notes, Balamurali Krishna also has good bass, he is also a great singer.
  
  SPB puts an expression to all words in a song with a special effect, which is his unique style, take “nalla thoor veenai seithen”, from varumayin niram sigappu, he delivers excellent expression to each word in the song, take “unnaken meele nindrai o nantha lala”, the song starts from melody, soon it changes to fast beat song, he sings that beautifully.
  
  Take “bum chicku bum chiku “, from singaravelan, when he sings with children, what a voice, the children seems to fall in love with this guys voice.
  
  The song “neela vaan oodiyal”, is sung in higher note, yet he show no strain or what so ever, instead delivers it beautifully!, rafi could not have done that as sweetly as SPB
  
  Take “engaeyum ippothum sangeetham santhosham”, from ninaithale innikum, what a songs, he rocks
  
  
  
  
  
• From: buththisaali (@ 64.124.150.145) on: Fri Sep 21 00:37:18 EDT 2001
  
  212.2.14.241:
  
  chappaaththi chappaaththi thaan rotti rotti thaan.
  
  I know that is too deep for you to understand, but give it a try. Who knows, even you may become a "buththisaali" one of these days:-))
  
  

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