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Best songs sung by IR

Topic started by sc (@ 209.244.178.143) on Thu Apr 4 21:03:25 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

We all know that IR has sung many memorable songs, but here are four of my all-time favorties.

4) Dharisnam Kedaikatha - Alaigal Oivyathillai - first song I heard IR singing, and it instantly become one of my favorites.

3)Valli Valli Ena Vanthan - Deiva Vaaku - Another unforgettable song sung by IR.

2)Thendral Vanthu Theendum Pothu - Avatharam - WOW, is what I said when I first heard this song. Absolutely phenomenal song and it would have been my #1 song if it weren't for....

1)Naan Thedum Sevvanthi Poove - Dharma Pathini - the best song that IR has sung, in my opinion. Also has amazing lyrics. Just edges out Thendral Vanthu.....,

So, there are my picks. I like to know some of yours.

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• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.210) on: Sat Apr 6 13:11:31 EST 2002
  
  i.e., go back to your well:)
  LOL;-)))) really NOM.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Apr 6 13:12:46 EST 2002
  
  Yes, Isaiosai, you are that person.
  You have demonstrated your objectivity, analysis and breathtaking insights - all in IR threads. You know what's really pathetic? It is your IR poojai. I'm sure you are merely just one sad example of how IRs fans are more of a liability to him, particularly when they indulge in such mindless and infinitely embarassing "finger-cymbal"ism.
  
  "Everyone knows IR's not-so-great voice"
  That's got to be the understatement of this and (the last) century.
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Apr 6 13:26:41 EST 2002
  
  Deepak - If I have to define a "Singer" for you - then, I guess, there is little hope for TFM in general. (Or if you have an OED by your side, you could do yourself the favour.)
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Sat Apr 6 15:21:06 EST 2002
  
  Naaz, IR may not be a good singer. but he has capably handled several numbers that are quite tough even under SPB-ian standards. For example, singing vocal harmony parts are very difficult unless you are trained for it. He has handled that quite well in songs like Devanin Kovil, Raja Rajadhi Raja.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Apr 6 15:52:48 EST 2002
  
  s0 - thanks for your thoughts. I particularly like your coinage "SPBian" (I am thrilled as I have been called an "amphibian" to my delight!)
  
  Your use of the word "harmony" introduces an a new dimension to this exchange. Indian Music (in classical school(s) terms) is inherently "Melodic" (it's Western (Classical) counterpart is Harmonic.)
  Thanks for this opening - as it gives me an opportunity to indirectly address Deepak's need to know how I define a "singer" (or how a "singer" is recognised by those in the "formal" know to be so.)
  I'll try not to get too academic in this explanation.
  Indian Music, regardless of its genre, is necessarily an improvisation of its classical roots. The difference between ICM and WCM can be narrowed down to one crucial aspect: In WCM, all instruments are "Even" tempered (hence the possibility of Harmony.) In ICM on the other hand, every instrument is "Just" tempered (hence the possibility of an episode called "Thani Avarthanam.") From the early days of the "vocalist" traditions, the singing "voice" was/is considered another "just" tempered instrument (for eg. I often get this from my "western" listeners during the show - particularly with regard to the female playback voices - why do they sound so "thin" and "shrill" in the higher octaves. Some listeners find this to be "off-putting." Now,if you are familiar with the "lute" (veenai) or the "sitar," you will know that female playback singers are "modelled" on that sound - the "just" tempered - and hence the felicity in high and low notes. But to a "western" ear it sounds off-key.)The Tambura provides the scale and timbre - which is an indispensible muscial "compass" for the singing artiste. To take this notion of "Thani Avarthanam," which is exclusive to Indian Music a step further, please consider this:
  Take away the accompaniment. Take away the technological adjustments in recording. Take away hush of a recording studio...If the singing voice is indeed a musical "instrument" (or emulates one) then the Singer should be able to do it all - sans the above features that aid or accentuate the song.
  This, in my opinion, is an effective way to evaluate the singing voice - to determine who is a "singer" and who isn't.
  Some quick pick examples: "Maanikka Veena" and "Manasa Sanchcharare" from Shankarabharanam (minimal or absent orchestra) or "Moham Endra" and "Nee Dayaradha" from Sindhu Bhairavi. "Aadi Velli" from Moodru Mudichchu and the recent (film)version of "Endharo Mahanubhavulu" (the name of the film escapes me, my apologies.)
  
  I hope this explanation helps in distinguishing the "genuine articles" from the "pretenders."
  
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.174) on: Sat Apr 6 16:58:56 EST 2002
  
  /--...poojai...embarassing..."finger-cymbal"ism.--\
  if u want to see understanding and appreciation as poojai, fine with me (not that I expected u to understand me any better for a change this time). But then u resort to the same of somebody else and u don't become a liability, is that how it is? Once again, with all ur objectivity, analysis and breathtaking insights in all non-VJ threads on other personalities and their works, you don't exhibit any double standards, right!
  
  First, understand the purpose of this thread and look at your unwarranted first post. In spite of this, wonder how you can be so shameless and make such comments. Take ur objective analysis to some other relevant thread.
  
  And as is always the case, u will want to have the final say. So, go ahead and quench ur egoistic thirst. There is no point in trying to make u understand:( whatever u say is right, appidithaane. sari. Now celebrate and live happily with this.
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Apr 6 17:15:42 EST 2002
  
  What double standards? Check the other threads (let me aid you in this: SPB-SJ duets, Aayiram Nilave Vaa,
  Uma Ramanan Songs, SPB (many threads,) PJC thread, etc...my appreciation of all the above artistes is evident.
  
  Yes, isaiosai, I will take my objective analysis elsewhere. I should have known it would be wasted on sycophants like you. Irony of ironies: You are the frog in the IR well - not me.
  
  My sincere apologies to the rest in this thread.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.174) on: Sat Apr 6 17:38:51 EST 2002
  
  appaada! Looks like for once he has realized his mistake of making an unwarranted comment and has apologized to you all, albeit in his own pretentious way:) IRa praise paNNina orE vayathErichal. silaruku konchamkuda poruthuka mudiyaadhE.
  
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Sat Apr 6 18:21:11 EST 2002
  
  thanks for the explanation, Naaz. though, I'm not sure I understand just tempered and even tempered.
  
  sticking to the topic: I like
  1. Thendral vandhu theendumbodhu
  2. Aathadi Paavadai
  3. Oororamaa Aaththupakkam
  4. Poomalaiye Tholseravaa
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 65.186.21.53) on: Sat Apr 6 22:27:57 EST 2002
  
  I rememeber the mullum malarum title song. It goes
  maan inamey, vanna poo vannamey...
  
  another title song I really like is
  amman koyil kizhakaley.. from 16 vayathiniley.
  
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.161) on: Sat Apr 6 23:11:02 EST 2002
  
  a nice title song from 90s: "Vaanam paartha karisakkaattu" from Karisakkaattu PoovE
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.161) on: Sat Apr 6 23:11:44 EST 2002
  
  a nice title song from 90s: "Vaanam paartha karisakkaadu" from Karisakkaattu PoovE
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 166.44.185.182) on: Sun Apr 7 14:12:09 EDT 2002
  
  the most recent one: "Un kuththamaa en kuththamaa" from Azhagi. The charaNams are quite difficult for any of today's singers and he renders them quite well.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 12.234.131.39) on: Sun Apr 7 17:29:34 EDT 2002
  
  Difficult to say which one is best as to me most IR songs are best. Instead the question could be which songs IR should have avoided singing or used others.. If that is the case thenIntha Maan (Karakaattakaaran) is the bad choice for IR.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 134.117.253.3) on: Sun Apr 7 20:15:53 EDT 2002
  
  I will add "Naan thedum sevanthi poovithu" under STS's list. Would rather SPB or KJY there.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.124.139.195) on: Mon Apr 8 01:33:42 EDT 2002
  
  A small digression, Poomalaye Thol Serava(Pagal Nilavu) is on K tonite 8:30
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.110) on: Mon Apr 8 06:18:15 EDT 2002
  
  STS, if IR deserves to sing `indha mAn' more than Ramarajan deserves to show his face for that song:-)
  
  Naaz, unga definition pragAram pArthAlum, `theN pANdicheemayilE' should be acknowledged as a great song and the singer `above average'...music'la emotionnum oru aspect irukkunga (esp. in film music)...adhula IR pala singersa vida osathi:-))
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.4.110) on: Mon Apr 8 06:19:23 EDT 2002
  
  oops, remove the `if' from the first sentence:-(
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.234) on: Mon Apr 8 06:22:16 EDT 2002
  
  my list (not necessarily in order)
  
  1. vaarthai thavarivittaai (sethu)
  2. thendral vandhu (avathaaram)
  3. sola pasunkiliye (en raasavin manasiley)
  4. aarum adhu aazhamilley (pudu vasandham)
  5. kaadhal oviyam ( alaigal oivadhillai)
  6. aridhaaratha poosikkolla (avathaaram)
  7. janani janani (thai moogambikai)
  8. en thaayenum kovila (aranmanai kili)
  9. veenaikku veenakkunju (ellaamey en raasadhaan)
  10. engey sellum indha paadhai ( sethu)
  
  Ps: IR reportedly shed tears while reciting "sola pasunkiliye"
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.2.98) on: Mon Apr 8 07:31:19 EDT 2002
  
  Vj
  4. aarum adhu is from Mudhal Vasantham.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.234) on: Mon Apr 8 07:57:15 EDT 2002
  
  thanks venki.. for the correction.. :-)
  
  
• From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.40) on: Mon Apr 8 12:00:47 EDT 2002
  
  Naaz :
  Is Bob Dylan a singer by your definition ?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Apr 8 16:59:23 EDT 2002
  
  This is the only answer to your question: Bob Dylan is not an Indian Film Music singer.
  My defintion above, with examples, should have made it clear that speaking within the context of Indian music.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Apr 8 17:00:13 EDT 2002
  
  omissions: "...that I was speaking within," sorry about that.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.129.69) on: Mon Apr 8 17:02:24 EDT 2002
  
  another recent one: "Chinna maharani" from Kutti
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.129.69) on: Mon Apr 8 17:22:51 EDT 2002
  
  eden,
  forget it. kaNarula irukkira praaNigalukku eppidi sonnaalum puriyadhu. not their mistake too, having been in a closed environment all this time.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Apr 8 19:18:17 EDT 2002
  
  isaiosai, I was answering somebody's question addressed to me - directly - with my name. Why don't you have the least decency and butt out? Or are you that dog whose tail can never be straightened? I may be the kinnatru thavalai, but you are no better than a veri pidichcha nai.
  
  

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