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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1: Iyarkai Varnanai

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Mon Jul 6 13:36:50 EDT 1998.
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In comparing Kannadhaasan and Vairamuthu objectively, why don't we all prove to ourselves that we don't need to take sides with a poet and only take sides with good poetry? I can come up with enough examples for both poets and I'm sure many others can too. Let's consider this a tiny saevai for TFM lyrics. I will gladly set forth the categories that we can judge the two poets by and we can all go to work. If anything I hope this exercise will make one diehard fan of Kannadhaasan appreciate VM and vice versa.
Here are the categories to judge both poets by giving examples of lyrics they wrote for TFM:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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Responses:

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• From: konjam_kavi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Tue Jul 7 01:21:44 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  
  For your explanation on "pon mAlaip pozuthu..." that vAnathai peNNAga
  pArthirukirAn inthak kavinjan - but athu oNNum puthusu illEngO -
  KANNADASAN has written something similar in SHANTHI NILAYAM
  
  iyaRkai ennum iLaya kanni EngukirAL thuNaiyai eNNi..
  
  pon niRathu mellidail poovAda
  pottu vaitha vatta mugam neerAda
  
  thalaiai viriththu thennai pOrAduthO
  ethanai ninaithu ILANIRADUTHO
  
  ilaigaL marathukenna mElAdaiyO
  idaiyai maRaithuk kattum noolAdaiyO
  kattik koNda kaLvan yArO
  kaLvanukkum enna pErO ?
  
  kAthaliyai iYarkaiyAgavum, iyarkaiyai kAthaliyAgavum pArpathu
  kavinjartham vazakkam
  
  
  
• From: innum_konjam_kavi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Tue Jul 7 01:29:44 EDT 1998
  
  one more on KANNADASAN uvamy-fying iyrkai as peN
  from JEEVANADI (MSV, KJJ & Soolamangalam.)
  
  aruvi magaL alaiyOsai
  antha azagu magaL vaLaiyOsai
  
  pothigai mazai sAral
  avaL poo ithazin mathu sAral
  
  kadal koNda neelam kaN vizi vAnga
  kani koNda sARu ithaZkaLil thEnga
  
  For the full song:
  http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/ppp/aruvi.html
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 02:15:02 EDT 1998
  
  Here is another nice one by Kannadhasan;
  padam: Thai Sollai Thattadhe.
  
  kaattukkuLLE thiruvizhaa kannippoNNu maNavizhaa
  sirikkum malargaL thoovi singaarikkum ponvizhaa, hOi
  
  salasalakkum aruviyakkaa malaiyilE
  thaavi sadhiraattam pOdugiRaaL tharaiyilE
  kalakalakkum iyaRkaiyammaa madiyilE
  avaL kaN mayangi OdugindraaL vazhiyilE
  
  thendral ennum kudhiraiyilE oorvalamaam
  malargaL seervarisai thaangivarum vaaganamaam
  mangaLamaay moongililE naayanamaam
  pachchai vaazhaiyudan maavilaiyum thOraNumaam
  
  vaasalilE vandhavarai amarga enbaaL kiLiyammaa
  aasaiyudan nadamiduvaaL mayilammaa
  indha azhagu kaNdaal thookkam kooda thONumaa
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 02:21:16 EDT 1998
  
  I forgot to add my comment on the above song.
  paadalai paadum peN, kaattil thaniyE iyaRkaiyai
  rasiththu paadugiRaaL. avaLudaya eNNamellaam
  thanakku varap pOgum thirumaNaththaip patriyE
  irukku. andha nilaiyil, kaattil thOndrum
  iyaRkai kaatchi ovvondrilum, thanakku nadakkap pOgum
  maNa vizhaavin oru angam avaLukku therigiRadhu.
  kavinjar nalla imagination-udan ip paadalai
  ezhudhiyuLLaar.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 02:48:27 EDT 1998
  
  innum sila kavinjarin azhagaana varigaL...
  (padam: Ranga Ratinam)
  
  oru malligai mottu
  mazhai thuLi pattu
  jillena pooththadhu idhazh vittu
  adhan punnagai pattu
  thanmanam kettu
  konjida vandhadhu kuLir kaatru
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ karthi4.globalcenter.net) on: Tue Jul 7 03:11:45 EDT 1998
  
  bones, did you not see my posting of the same song by Kannadhaasan? Anyway, your point is well taken.
  Vairamuthu has done more iyarkai as pen varnanai in the following song from Thudikkum Karangal:
  Megam mundhaanai aaduthu munnaalae
  vanamennum kumaripponnu poosuthu senthooram
  
  From the much maligned Jeans lyrics check out these original lines by an underrated sensitive poet, Vairamuthu:
  poovukkul olindhirukkum kanikkoottam adhisayam
  vannaththup poochchiudambil oaviyangal adhisayam
  thulaisellum kaatru mellisaiyaadhal adhisayam
  gurunaadhar illaadha kuyil paattu adhisayam
  . . .
  oru vaasamillaak kilaiyin mael naruvaasamulla poovaippaar poovaasam adhisayamae
  . . .
  minsaaram illaamal midhakkinra dheebampoal maeni konda minminigal adhisayamae
  
  Also in the following song from "Moodupani" we can see what an impact the dawn has on the poet:
  vaanengum thanga vin meengal vizhi imai mooda sooriyan vandhu kadal kulithherum neram ,
  vaanil oru Deepavali, naam paadalaam Geethanjali
  . . .
  keezhai vaanam yengum theeyin oaviyam,
  (aaha "Theeyin Oaviyam" endru enna oru rathinach churukkamaana uvamaiyai vidiyalukku padaikkiraan vairamuthuk kavingyan)
  
  Kaadhalin moana nilayai iyarkaiyin amaippaikkondae pradhibalikkiraar Vairamuthu indha "Karuthamma" padap paadalil:
  
  thenmaerkup paruvak kaatru
  thaenippakkam veesum oru saaral muththuchchaaral
  themmaangu paadikkondu silusiluvenru
  sindhudhammaa thooral muththuth thooral
  vengaattu pothakkalli chattenru mottuvida
  sengaattu sillichchedi chillenru poovedukka
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ karthi4.globalcenter.net) on: Tue Jul 7 03:34:56 EDT 1998
  
  Nature gets another ode from Vairamuthu in the following song from "Kannodu Kann":
  alaiyalaiyaaga azhagazhaghaga
  neerpaayum oadaikkaraiyil
  neeraadum neelakkuyilgal
  endha naalum vaazhga
  . . .
  nilamagal kulithezhum kaargaalamae
  panimazhai pozhindhidum venneela aagaayamae
  . . .
  malaimudi madiyena thaalaattumo
  manimughil kuzhandhaipol vandhaada paaloottumo
  
  In this song from "Amma", Vairamuthu beckons the rain to celebrate youth:
  mazhaiyae mazhaiyae
  ilamai muzhuthum nanaiyum varaiyil vaa
  saaral vizhum naeram deva mayakkam
  
  In the following song from "Kaadhal Oaviyam", VM shows a blind singer's vision of nature:
  poovil vandu koodum kandu poovum kangal moodum
  poovinam maanaadu poadum vandugal sangeedham paadum
  . . .
  vaanam en vidhaanam indha boomi sannidhaanam
  paadham meedhu moadhum aaru paadum suprabaadham
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ karthi4.globalcenter.net) on: Tue Jul 7 03:36:36 EDT 1998
  
  Correction from the second last posting: the song "Vaanengum" is not from "Moodupani" but from "Moondraam Pirai"
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 03:57:01 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  
  The book by Shanmugasundaram says that the following
  lines are from a song in 'Moondraam Pirai'...
  
  vaanengum thanga viNmeengaL
  vizhi imai moodi sooriyan vandhu
  kadal kuLiththERum nEram
  
  It seems VM describes 'early morning' in these lines.
  Do you know which song these lines are from?
  Full details?
  
  Also which song has the following nice lines of VM:
  
  malargaL nanaindhuvittaal kuLir edukkaadhO
  vaNdugaL Odi vandhu thalai thuvattaadhO
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 06:37:05 EDT 1998
  
  Annai kuzhandhaiyai patrip paadum paadalondrai
  Kannadhasan ezhudhiyuLLaar...
  padam: Kuzhandhaikkaaga
  
  thai maadha mEgam
  adhu tharaiyil aadudhu
  adhu thEdum andha vaanil
  veNNilavE paadudhu
  
  Does anyone know full lyrics for this song?
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Jul 7 06:52:02 EDT 1998
  
  In a book about Kannadhasan I found the following
  lines that compare a child with nature...
  
  sandhanach chOlaiyE saamandhip pookkaadE
  vadakkup panimalaiyE panimalaiyin kuLir kaatrE
  kuLir kaatrilE salasalakkum Odai iLam thaNNeerE
  
  Does anyone know which Kannadhasan song has these
  lines?
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Tue Jul 7 12:14:56 EDT 1998
  
  Sathiya Keerthi:
  
  The song begins with the very words you quoted sung non-stop, in what has to be one of the longest ever pallavis in TFM:
  vaanengum thanga viNmeengaL
  vizhi imai moodi sooriyan vandhu
  kadal kuLiththERum nEram
  
  This song contains some extraordinarily vivid descriptions of kaalai neram, e.g.
  
  keezhay vaanam engum theeyin Oviyam
  kaNgaL moodi kondAl kAlai kAviyam etc.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate5.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 7 12:53:50 EDT 1998
  
  Sathya Keerthi,
  
  Rathiri endha pattu ellam point paNNalaamnu think paNNikittu irundhEn. almost aththanai pattaiyum N-eengaLE mention paNNitteenga.
  
  
  Udaya,
  Moodu Pani pattu ezhuthinadhu Gangai Amaran. GA-vai thavira yarum andha padathila pattu ezhuthala. Please clarify.Some times, oru kavingarin padal innoru kavingarin padal polavE irukkum.
  
  
  As SK mentioned the song from 'Paasam'
  ulagam pirandhathu ennakkaga... there is one more song in that film
  jall jall endroru salagai oli, jalajala venna salaiyilE...
  
  Was this song written by Kaviyarasar??
  
  BTW oru Vairamuththu pattu
  Film:- Indira
  Song:- N-ila kaaikiradhu
  Singer:- Harini
  
  
  N-ila kaaikiradhu
  N-eram thaikiradhu
  yaarum rasikka villaiyE
  
  More to come..
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate6.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 7 12:56:06 EDT 1998
  
  What about the song from KarNan...????
  
  
  .....mazhai kudukkum madhamum moondru maadham
  kodai kodukkum karNanam N-aaLum maadham
  
  Can we treat this song as "Iyarkai varuNaNai.."
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate5.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Tue Jul 7 12:58:53 EDT 1998
  
  More VM lines... from the song
  kaNNum kaNNum koLLai adithal from the movie Thiruda Thiruda...
  
  kadalai vaanam koLLai aditham megam endru artham......
  
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 7 13:09:19 EDT 1998
  
  VM's most of the iyarkai varNanai surrounds around pookkaL, vaNdugaL and vAnam. Ofcourse, they are good. VM's muzhu nEELa iyarkai varNanai pAdalgaL has already been mentioned by Udhaya. VM has a lot of iyarkai varNanai lines as idaich cherugalgaL. Some of them are:
  
  bOOmi engum pOOnthOttam nAm kANavEndum
  puthuth thenRalO pookkaLil vasikkum..
  AgAya mEgangaL nEErOORRavENdum
  andha mazahiyil pookkaLum kuLikkum..
  ("thOgai iLamayil.." - payaNangaL mudivathillai)
  
  pOOvil vaNdu kOOdum kaNdu
  pOOvum kaNgaL mOOdum..
  pOOvinam mAnAdu pOdum
  vaNdugaL sangEEtham pAdam..
  (kAthal Oviyam)
  
  I like the imagination of VM about flowers and the bees around them. pOOvinam mAnAdu pOdum oru kavithuvam mikka ilakkiyak kaRpanai.
  
  mugilinangaL alaigiRathE
  mugavarigaL tholainthanavO..
  mugavarigaL tholainththathanAl azhuthidumO
  athu mazhaiyO..
  ("iLaiya nilA.." - payaNangaL mudivathillai)
  
  azhagAna kaviththuvam mikka kaRpanai. Hats off to VM.
  
  mottuk kathavai vanthu vaNdugaL
  thattukinRathE..ippOthu..
  ("sAlaiyOram.." - payaNangaL mudivathillai)
  
  VM must have closely observed flowers in gardens (may be in Natesan pOOngA of Madras where he wrote many of his songs in the beginning :-)). malarntha pOOkkaLil vaNdugaL viNNappikkAmalE viruththuNNum. AnAl mottukkALidam avai viNNappikkinRana enbathai azhagAgach solgiRAr.
  
  nathiyil Adum pOOvanam
  alaigaL vEEsum sAmaram..
  (kAthal Oviyam)
  
  Description of flowers and (possibly) thalaivi in a nEErOdai (both enjoying the waves) is good.
  
  thAgam edukkaiyilE mazahiyadikkAthO
  vAnam iRangi vanthu kudaipidikkAthO..
  ("reNdu kannam.." - sivappu malli)
  
  This is a idaich cherugal in a love duet. mazai tharum vAnamE kudaiyAgavum mARakkOOdAthA enak kEtkiRAr kavignar. viththiyAsamAna kaRpanai.
  
  bUmi oru vEENai-athaik
  kARRin kaigaL mEEttuthE..
  ("pOO pOOkkum.." - minsArak kanavu)
  
  AAL aravamaRRa oru nilapparappil ninRukoNdu nEEngaL kARRin sapthangaLai rasiththirunthAl, intha varigaLaiyum rasippErgaL. kavignar kARRu nadaththum iyarKaiyin symphony-i azhagAga veLippaduthtiyirukkiRAr.
  
  pOO kodiyin punnagai..
  mazhai mugilin punnagai..
  (iruvar)
  
  kavignarin favourite kavithai form (aka "object=attribute" form). He is really good to see nature in a different way.
  
  In all these lines and many more I see him as true lover of nature. I remember one of his very first interviews after ponmAlaip pozhuthu became a hit. He said to the interviewer the following:
  nAn mEgangaLin kAthalan..
  pOOkkALin purushan..
  
  True, his passion towards nature brings a lot of kaviththuvam to songs..
  
  More later..
  
  
  
  
  
  

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