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IR and Jayalalitha - Similarities

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.217.110) on Fri May 11 18:36:47 EDT 2001.
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As all of you well known about the arrogance of them.
There are some more: Both were at their peak during 1991 to 1993. Their drastic downfall started in 1994,1995. Any more thoughts?

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:17:08 EDT 2001
  
  I see all the new songs on Sun TV and it's all just group dance stuff...Raju Sundaram's dance group obvious in most of the songs...unfortunately it's all leading to an overdose...
  
  I think the trend that will take place is a fusion of Computer Graphics with our sublime Tamil Poetic Literature. This is inevitable.
  And this has to start from Tamil only...Shankar is among the earliest pioneers if not the first..
  Like Bharath had said earlier, though it may be crude now...more creative ways of integrating our songs with the situation through Graphics will be seen
  (for eg. imagine Pachai Nirame song among a vast field of sunflowers and a miniature Madhavan and side dancers all as fairies with wings flying through this field !)
  This will happen as soon as the technology becomes more realistic and less expensive.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:41:16 EDT 2001
  
  >>>i believe maarimazhai was like a "one day wonder" when compared to the reach of muqala (or) oorvashi (or) shakkalakka baby (or) chikku bukku railu. <<<
  
  Kupps...just imagine if the song was picturised in a grand way....it'd been still playing on our TV channels...the film also flopped
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:42:17 EDT 2001
  
  Oops...guys don't miss my earlier posting in the Old responses !
  
  
• From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu May 17 03:41:51 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  i only said Tenali was trash. I did not mention about his good music in films like "sangamam" or KKKK. IMHO tenali was indeed trash. Does not mean that I hate ARR's music.
  
  Somebody said ARR takes more time to produce quality. Where is the "international quality" in Tenali that one expects from ARR!. Let the answer be to the point.
  
  "BTW Thenali had some fantastic rhythms and instrumentation that was let down by really bad choreography.." ,.What a pity!. A Kamal movie is awaited with great expectations and one has to look for and search and get it in patches.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Thu May 17 05:04:27 EDT 2001
  
  bharath...
  
  "finally people like ratchsan ....plz dont make it evident that u lack knowldge... some time s critisism is more like bitcching and thats bad"
  
  sorry, i did not know that i'm talking with knowlege repositories...
  
  i never criticised ARR. infact i had been his fan right from the days of "Pudiya Mugam" ( No, not Roja. it was "netru illadha maatram" in Pudhiya Mugam that influenced me than his roja songs). He has all the talents in the world that's why he has taken the indian filmdom by storm.
  
  but he has got a lot of limitations. The quality that one expected from his after his "Roja" and "Kaadhalan" is not there afterwards.He has become too repetitive and has dried out. Further, even good songs are far and few in between. He produces far lesser output for a music hungry audience. All in the name of giving quality.
  
  All this is NOT a biased opinion. it's a plain fact. Please read the views expressed by "Subbudu" , the well known music-critic in "Kumudam" an year back.He has criticized ARR for having lifted a famous song in "sangamam" from a Bengali folk song. He has aked ARR "whether it is morally right for a MD of your stature and calibre to directly copy a song".
  
  I'm not sure whether ARR or his fans have reacted to such a statement. I'm also a new comer to newtfmpage hence i don't know whether there was any thread on this.
  
  Hence, kindly balance yourself before reacting.
  
  Coming to the other point, i agree that good visuals make good impact. When the picturization is good, the impact of a song is greater. All the songs in Thiruda Thiruda were well picturized.
  But there is a considerable percentage which listens to songs on Radio. Some do it bcoz they can't afford other means; some do it bcoz they love it. Personally i like to listen to a song rather than "see" a song.
  
  However, a song like "Solai Kuyile" can stimulate a listener. Thats why such songs stand out among the croud.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu May 17 14:41:21 EDT 2001
  
  Ratchaasan:
  lets see ur statement:
  
  //"All this is NOT a biased opinion. it's a plain fact. "//
  
  and let me find all that contradicts the above statement
  
  1)The quality that one expected from his after his "Roja" and "Kaadhalan" is not there afterwards.
  
  2)He has become too repetitive and has dried out.
  
  3)Further, even good songs are far and few in between. He produces far lesser output for a music hungry audience. All in the name of giving quality.
  
  4) Please read the views expressed by "Subbudu" , the well known music-critic in "Kumudam
  
  - yeah subbudu's words are facts..yeah yeah.. u r now making even more sense... and the best is kumudham... have surprising logging fact-only stuff into their database...
  
  5)But there is a considerable percentage which listens to songs on Radio. Some do it bcoz they can't afford other means
  
  - yeah! can u show me in numbers, the tamil nadu population against those that dont have access to TV. are u really aware of facts!!!!
  
  6)Nothing can be farther from truth. ARR took months to produce a trash called Tenali.
  
  - wud the fact that, he was BUSY, appeal to you, and would the fact that kamala and ARR didnt agree on 1 or 2 versions of tenali appeal to u at all. and finally "trash" is that also a fact.
  
  7) Let us understand one thing. ARR is a music composer with severe limitations in terms of originality, variety, speed as well as creativity.
  
  - I am sure he personally confided this to u by crying over ur shoulder...
  
  8) Somehow he is managing the show. And we people are wasting our time comparing him with IR.
  
  - This is certainly not biased... oh please.. we wudnt even think that u r an IR fan....:-)
  
  
  so here I have listed 8 of ur statements, claimed to be facts by you!!! can u say u took it from the survey records of tamil nadu govt's music data base...
  
  the point I am trying to make is.... everyone have their preferences.. and in order to point them out... they trash other competitors..
  
  the words that u use..to suggest arr is , sort of a road side beggar, and tenali the manifestation of all his career work, is illogical. ARR has established some credibility in the market as a composer... and though people may not like his style and may still be desperately nostalgic to let go of IR. They can come up with constructive critisims...
  
  saying words akin to " arr doesnt know sa ..re..ga..ma" just doesnt amount to anything constructive.. it only shows ur hatred and bias more than anything else...
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Fri May 18 01:36:25 EDT 2001
  
  To Mr Know-All Bharath,
  
  1. I pity your ignorance about Mr Subbudu. You better learn about him and the respect he has commanded in the carnatic musicians, though i myself don't say that whatever Subbudu says is gospel truth. But it looks like you are not even aware of such a person. Better be informed, friend!
  
  
  2. I do not know why u get angry if I say ARR's music lacks quality. In fact ARR should get angry (if he happens to read this comment, of course) and improve upon his compositions. Let ARR improve the quality,i'll appreciate it.
  
  I have quoted a couple of films where he has done well. If i were biased, i need not mention those.This is not a red herring.
  
  3. Whether ARR was BUSY or not when Tenali was offered , I do not know. (Did he personally confided this to u by crying over ur shoulder!).What I said was tenali lacks quality. I only commented on the product.
  
  If you think otherwise, you may recommend "Tenali" for National Award for Best music!
  
  4. ..to suggest arr is , sort of a road side beggar
  
  Please do not use words, which I have not used and which I totally disagree. ARR is a good composer. (Please read the first paragraph of posting). When he does not produce quality music, i have a right to comment as a listener. Just because I said something against ARR does not mean i'm biased and will hate anything ARR produces.
  
  But IMHO, ARR is yet to come any where near IR. This is of course my personal opinion, which i have arrived at after listening to the hundreds of great songs by IR and tens of great songs by ARR. If ARR really produces the quality IR gave, I will whole heartedly welcome him.(It may be like asking Dilip Vengsrakar like Don Bradman) The ball is in ARR's court. Let us not fight over it.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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• From: Raatshashan (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Fri May 18 01:52:17 EDT 2001
  
  CORRECTION!
  
  Read the statement
  
  "It may be like asking Dilip Vengsrakar like Don Bradman"
  
  AS
  
  "It may be like asking Dilip Vengsarkar to bat like Don Bradman"
  
  
• From: IRn ANBU RASIGAN (@ 203.199.234.239) on: Fri May 18 02:54:54 EDT 2001
  
  YES.YES THERE IS ONLY ONE SIMILARITY THERE.JAYALALITHA IS THE CHEIF MINISTER OF TAMILNADU GOVT. IR IS THE CHEIF MINISTER OF MUSIC NADU.
  
  (dei Pozhudhu pogadhava! enga pettai pakkam vanthe keechiduven unnai!)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.188) on: Fri May 18 09:32:22 EDT 2001
  
  What subbudu mentioned was about this damadum mastkalandar song by runa lyla. I knew this song and I used to sing it in my childhood. I could not see any sort of great similarity of it with varaaganadhikarai oram song. Yes, if you izhuththufy here and there on both song then you can come to a conclusion that both are copied version. But, that can happen to all songs. I feel subbudu pethified there a littlebit. He is a great IR fan. This is MHO.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri May 18 09:43:59 EDT 2001
  
  I am really like to know how much non-carnatic music subbudu as heard. I respect his age, but he is a very very biased person who comes around a small circle which he created in 1950's.
  He has trashed many young musicians with his stupid words, he has spolit thier life to a great extent in the name of review.
  
  I really doubt whether he can understand polyphonic music. eg:Subbu told deva is the best composer today, a so called responsible critic cannot make such idotic statement.World knows deva is poor in execution. Subbudu just creates a big hype on his review, ..thats all.
  He is fan of IR because IR makes sure he is kept happy, Do you know there is cold war between semangudi and subbu , however both of them "gagas" about IR. :)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri May 18 09:53:16 EDT 2001
  
  
  I am really like to know how much non-carnatic music subbudu as heard -- read this as
  
  I really like to know how much of non-carnatic music subbudu has heard...
  
  

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