Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Fri Jun 1 12:15:20 EDT 2001.
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SJ were certainly the most prolific and best MD's of their time. They were responsible for the most number of hits during their reign at the top. I think they can certainly match up to Illyaraja in terms of quality, quantity and versatality. If Jaikishan hadn't passed away in 71, they would have definetly ruled over RDB, LP or any other challenge that would have come their way in the future. They were legends and were very excellent. What do you guys think ??
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- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Tue Jun 12 13:45:14 EDT 2001
LV,
comment is talking about formula music in HFM.
what he is trying to say is there were great tunes and great voices, but many other aspects were lacking. He didnt say MDs were mediocre, dont come up your own words, try to listen and answer accordingly.
e.hari,
this was in pancham group in egroups discussion.
- From: LV (@ 203.197.81.30)
on: Tue Jun 12 13:49:09 EDT 2001
>>>but many other aspects were lacking>>>>
For example??
- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Tue Jun 12 13:54:20 EDT 2001
Listen to pudhu mapilaikku song, observe the two interludes and the way it blends with the whole song carefully. You might find the answer.
- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Tue Jun 12 13:57:31 EDT 2001
I dont know for sure, for some one who feels sadma is mediocre may not be able to find it at all. Also I dont know the all the NAMES who played in the song, so it might be hard for you to appreciate :).
- From: LV (@ 203.197.81.30)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:01:36 EDT 2001
so just because a great musician plays for a song, the song becomes great is it?
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:08:37 EDT 2001
LV ,lacking...many things,
as far as hindi music goes, more from 80's goes , mds other than rdb, none knew the word called "arrangement", tamil film music gave the dimention called arrangment, ir is one of first few to create some outstanding arrangements in film music. people here will list many thing missing in hindi song, musically hindi songs from 80's are mere hypes.
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:16:07 EDT 2001
LV
what kk is saying is called as counterpoint.
hindi songs (before arr), la kilo enna vilai.,
imho: secondly hindi film musicians lack devotion the art, I am saying this by experience.If a recording is fixed for tamil movies, it goes on timee everyone is there including the composer, infact composers like msv or ir come before time.
in Hindi it is not the case, they come as they like, the so called composers are given a big hype, each other (producer , director, musicians keep praising one and another for a very long period of time, for no reason.
(wa wa wa wa wa wa is often heard for nothing,
i use to tell people music god tells them..."waramaten" "waramaten"..po
:)
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:19:04 EDT 2001
LV: Please play an instrument, learn WCM, Carnatic etc...AND THEN listen to IRs music. You will then understand what we were all trying to say to u. If possible listen to Sadma's music again ( I mean see the movie itself ) and pay more attention. NO ONE THEN I repeat - has done (now I am being careful here - I never said "Couldn't") a work like that. Not SJ, Not RDB, Not Naushad or all those people u mention has ever done a work like him. It is sheer beauty.
- From: e.hari (@ 199.67.140.20)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:20:29 EDT 2001
kk,
Ok. But I remember the similar discussion went on in RMIM about this song.
LV,
I never thrashed any MD, show me where I did. Now, don't you fell insulted if I say naddem shravan is as good as SJ/SDB. this is kind of argument, you were having all the time.
e.hari
- From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:20:51 EDT 2001
Comment - I have heard the same...
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Tue Jun 12 14:22:45 EDT 2001
dai....rehersala gavani...inge enga vandha...
:)
- From: lv (@ 203.199.130.30)
on: Wed Jun 13 01:31:56 EDT 2001
e-hari:
Rubbish from u again as is expected
- From: kiwi (@ )
on: Fri Jul 13 03:14:32 EDT 2001
as far as my opinion no MD is as good as Shankar Jaikishan.The variety he brings to the songs is un believable .Take the songs they composed in different styles for Raj Kapoor, Rajendra Kumar and Shammi Kapoor.Its really unbelievable.I think most of these critic comments are from those who have not heard his songs
- From: rf (@ pppa27-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net)
on: Fri Jul 13 10:36:41 EDT 2001
SJ were excellent in their limited range of compositions.
again, just two examples of IR's variety discussed here: pudhu mappillaikku (in fact all of Appurva Sahothararhal) and songs of Sadma are not just for wide spectrum of styles, tones, moods and instruments touched, but just see how much the songs develop the story of those movies and also added extraordinary texture to really deserving screenplays. in fact, even today i look at each of appurva s.. songs and just wonder how in god' name can a composer think so intellectually and minutely to give songs value and significance in a movie...
- From: LV (@ 203.197.82.96)
on: Sat Jul 14 05:04:02 EDT 2001
the sadma songs are pretty bad tunes - IMVHO
- From: kk (@ fw-ext.ascend.com)
on: Sun Jul 15 19:28:16 EDT 2001
Lv,
you are used to the sugary sugary tunes of Hindi films.
You please stick to it and spare us from your VHOs.
- From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Sun Jul 15 20:58:43 EDT 2001
de Broglie's wave-particle relationship is pretty primitive - IMVVHO.
- From: LV (@ 203.197.80.101)
on: Mon Jul 16 00:24:21 EDT 2001
kk:
U really amuse me.
U seem to be one of those people who wants to IMPOSE on others.
So u stick to ur opinions, and allow me to assert mine.
Bye, and please keep entertaining me.
- From: LV (@ 203.197.80.101)
on: Mon Jul 16 00:25:14 EDT 2001
read IMPOSE as IMPOSE his/her opinions on others.
- From: LV's nemesis (@ spider-mtc-tg051.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Jul 16 03:03:20 EDT 2001
From: LV (@ 203.199.130.95) on: Wed Apr 4 08:09:23 EDT 2001 (in the IR gets Lata Mangeshkar award thread)
Dear friends,
This is going to be my last message on this forum..............Promises! Promises!
- From: rf (@ pppa82-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net)
on: Mon Jul 16 03:27:06 EDT 2001
LV, forget the sugary melodies of hindi films. KK right u r.
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Mon Jul 16 03:45:14 EDT 2001
LV
IMVHO, the tunes of the following are bad!
1)sur sangam: Here they got classical singers Raajan and Saajan Mishra to sing along with Lata,Kavita and Anuradha
2)"bhairavi" - here Kavita has rendered amazing classical songs!!! And the film is around 95-96 I think.
3)"sant dnyaneshwar" - the song 'bahut din beete' by Lata is an amazing shivaranjani song - probably the most UNIQUE shivaranjani.
4)"sati savitri"
5)"parasmani" had a great ghazal in Yamankalyan
6)"aaye din bahaar ke" had an ethereal song by THE NIGHTINGALE - "suno sajana". The alaap of this song is LOVELY.
7)"jeevan mrityu" had a great marubihaag ghazal by Lata.
8)"badaltey rishtey" had a ghazal by Lata and Mahendra Kapoor in puriya."mere saanson ko..."
9)"madhavi"
10)"satyam shivam sundaram"
11)"utsav"
- From: LV (@ 203.197.81.38)
on: Mon Jul 16 09:04:38 EDT 2001
mahabs:
I indeed understand ur depseration. Thanks for keeping me amused.
- From: kiwi (@ 203.200.144.130)
on: Mon Jul 16 10:12:11 EDT 2001
IR has lack of variety. Unlike Sj who has infinite variety to his songs.Look the 9 Film fare awards he recieved despite tight competition.In IR's age there was noone except him. These tamilians have not heard SJ's music. I am a South Indian and i feel SJ is uncomparable.IR is is much much below SJ.
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Mon Jul 16 11:41:48 EDT 2001
LV
my desperation is not on par with yours. i felt yours and decided to amuse you.
i felt it was my duty to a fellow human being.
anbudan
mahabs
- From: kazhugu (@ 206.175.176.2)
on: Mon Jul 16 17:43:50 EDT 2001
I thought that the Kiwi could not fly and that it was not tone-deaf. Maybe it is time to update our knowledge of Kiwi birds - they have no music sense either.
- From: rf (@ pppa26-resalerockford2-5r7003.dialinx.net)
on: Mon Jul 16 23:40:58 EDT 2001
kiwi, bury your head in the sand or some hard rock.
- From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217)
on: Tue Jul 17 00:59:44 EDT 2001
KIWI!
You think Filmfare award is a benchmark for a good Md.
The great duo MSV/R never got any national award despite giving Top Class Music scores.
film fare award in the recent times is based totally on opinion poll.the respondents are mostly average listeners and good critics do not respond to these.
Hence only hyped Mds are getting awards.
I am great fan of all good MDs like SJk,RDB,sdb,Rdb,madan mohan,Roshan,Naushad.
IR's has all theirs in to his compositions.
Even great score by IR in PayangaL mudivadhillai,
Kadal-oviyum,vaidehikathirundhaL,Jhony ,NiZhalgaL,thalapathy,karakattakaran,Chinna thambi etc did not win any national award.
It happened our MSV! in Apoorva RagangaL or VaRumayin NiRam Sivappu.
Hence your statement is Fallacious.
- From: IMF (@ 203.197.80.64)
on: Tue Jul 17 01:38:59 EDT 2001
mr mahabs:
Kindly look at ur post saying that the songs LV has mentioned are bad. U've actually praised them too!!
Read ur entire post carefully!!
I understand ur confusion plus desperation. I sympathise indeed.
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Tue Jul 17 03:27:42 EDT 2001
mr imf
i am neither confused nor depressed, as i am not in the habit of listening to sj's music.
i was just amused to hear from lv that sadma's songs are bad, iho. he had posted in another forum the above songs by sj are good.
just for the sake of retaaliation, i copied that list and posted here.
sorry for that!
anbudan
mahabs
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Tue Jul 17 03:29:13 EDT 2001
mr imf
i am neither confused nor depressed, as i am not in the habit of listening to sj's music. (just kidding!)
i was just amused to hear from lv that sadma's songs are bad, iho. he had posted in another forum the above songs by sj are good.
just for the sake of retaaliation, i copied that list and posted here.
sorry for that!
my point is that every one can have their humble opinions. other than this, i have nothing against sj's music.
anbudan
mahabs
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