Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: jumpy-bumpy Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.18)
on: Tue Jun 11 13:15:46 EDT 2002
Hello all!!!!!
Enakku unga maadiri office-ellaam illai.Naa chinna ponnu.veetullai i-net account expired,had to get it renewed.That's it!!! :-)
Feeling greeeeeeeeat to be back!
Sundar Atre,who's that "someone"????
BTW,regulars missing or not missing,u have all the rights to please continue u'r poems. :-)
Ram,saw u'r article.Will reply after reading it properly.NEways,I don't think my opinion matters a lot,considering how good my thamizh is!
BTW,evlo naalaa TFM page-kku inda "new look"(me talking of "song of the day")Great idea!Don't u guys think so?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217)
on: Tue Jun 11 14:21:09 EDT 2002
Sindhuja!! - we created that link specially for you :-) appadinnu someone asked me to tell you :-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.186.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 14:56:50 EDT 2002
hey!what's happening?Who's this "someone"????
Some kinda' game?
U ppl better tell me fast,b4 MS complains of digression!!(NOM!) :-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:06:16 EDT 2002
IR,Sindhuja,IR_FAn ellarum welcome back...but kadantha pala naatkaLaai...ythaniya pulambara maathiri I have posted queries....konjam gavanikka koodatha:-( (IR...apparum innoru arivippu arivikka vendi irukkum)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.186.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:22:19 EDT 2002
Ram,IR_fan,Nooru varusham,I feel is neither GowrimanOhari nor VakulAbharaNam.I think it's KeeravAni/Natabhairavi(coz of both the Ni's)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.186.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:23:20 EDT 2002
To make things clearer,the starting swarAs r:
PaSaSaRiGa.....
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:32:54 EDT 2002
That someone is: Rahupati Raghava Raja .... :)
- From: Sundar Atre (Narayana Narayana) (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:36:33 EDT 2002
thanks everyone for showing up aftera long time ... I think digression is necessary to draw MS back
- From: Sindhuja(boo hoo!) (@ 203.197.176.5)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:45:25 EDT 2002
Sundar Atre,didn't get the connection.Puriyillai.
And,getting back to "Nooru varsham",very,very unfortunately,VakulAbharaNam and KeeravAni happen to be sh....shr....shruthibhedams!(Come on,all of u in chorus-"No...,not again!!")
I didn't intend to bring up this topic,I swear!
Yenna pannaradu?Yenakku anda paattu appadi daan kettudu.I think it's better I stay away,coz invariably,whenever I say something,this shruthibhedam thing has to come up!Sorry guys!!!
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.5)
on: Tue Jun 11 15:47:34 EDT 2002
Oh,oh,Sundar Atre,by any chance fill in the blanks panna sollareengalaa?Hmmm...
- From: Ram (@ )
on: Tue Jun 11 15:52:40 EDT 2002
Sundar Atre,
Yaaru sir athu???/Poyum Poyum unGala poem ezhutha sonnaana?seriyana kenaiya iruppaan pola irukku?
Ippadikku,
Appavi Ram
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 16:29:54 EDT 2002
Experts following songs are from Kaadha Saathi,
Manase en Manase is based on Mohanam(not pure I Think)
Pottaluk Kaatuls is Sindubairavi...neways great tume...listen to the interludes.
Enna Maranthaalum is Keeravani:-),
Nethu Kudutha varthai may be subhaPantuvaraLi based(Charanams go into Sindubairavi...may be Dhenukha)
Confirm pls.
Ippadikku
Appavi Ram
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:02:51 EDT 2002
Ram - :-)
I feel manase manase if based on Mohanam and ShankarabharaNam - 2 nd charaNam la SB is clear
Enna Marandhalum - Nata Bhairavi (Jolly, Sindhuja would build a case for Sruthi Bedham) :-)
Nethu Kuduththa vaarthai - surprised - but sounds like thodi with ga3!
Pottaluk kaadu - best to say - it is in SB - no method to madness! :-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:12:54 EDT 2002
IR,
I strongly support KeeravNi for "Enna maranthaalum"...pls. innoru thadavai kEttu sollunga(thappicheenga bathil pOttu:-)
Ippadikku
Appavi Ram
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:21:34 EDT 2002
Guys,
U can hear Kadhal Saathi @ http://www.tamilsongs.net/page/build/moviedisplay.cgi/Kadhal%20Saathi/
Ippadikku
Appavi Ram
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:22:06 EDT 2002
Ram :-) ok KeeravaNi it is :-) depending on where you place the "sa"
Case for NB:
En na ma ran dhaa lum
Ri2 g2 ga2 ga2 ri2 ga2
Un na ma ra kka ma nam
Ni2->ri2 Ni2 ni2 ni2 ni2 dha1->ma1
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:25:30 EDT 2002
Seri,
Ungalukkum venaam,enakkum venaam....nataVani illai Keerabhairavi nu vechuppomaa?
Ippadikku
appavi Ram
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:27:48 EDT 2002
No - I think we should wait for the Sruthi bedham Queen's verdict ;-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:27:58 EDT 2002
IR,
enakkum intha Ga2,Ma4 ellam theriyaathu...but it is strikingly similar to "Enge Sellum In tha Paadjai" in sethu(Esp. the charanams)....If that si keeravaNi then this is also KeervaNi....illai athuvE NB naa IR_Fan azhinchaaru;-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.217)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:33:05 EDT 2002
Ram, Ni note mattum thaan different rendu raagathukkum - the other song from Sethu is in KeeravANi (andha song la Ni2 note varum - yaaro uNmai arivaar) - that is probably why you felt the similarity
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:35:28 EDT 2002
seri,
IR sonna appealE illai:-)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Tue Jun 11 17:52:15 EDT 2002
Wow ... this sudden spurt in discussion is verrrry impressive ... poems are supposed to evoke different emotions .... but I may be the first poet to instill fear (of having to read my poetry) among my fans ... thanks everyone ... Main Shayar Tho Nahin ....
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 18:58:27 EDT 2002
Hai all,
here are some emaning of the Raga names...is there a meaning for all Raga names?...if so can u pls. provide me the source from which I can access it?
Ganamurthi (lord of song)
Vanaspathi (keeper of forests)
vakulAbharaNa (decorated with vakula flowers)
dhivyAmaNi (divine jewel)
sAranga (bow of Vishnu)
malayamArutha (Breeze from the hills)
supradhIpa (Flame/Light of great brilliance)
THis was my post on Jun 8th...yaaravathu KaNdukkonga ppa:-(
MayamaLavagowlai na enna artham?:=_
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.64)
on: Tue Jun 11 20:13:50 EDT 2002
No - I think we should wait for the Sruthi bedham Queen's verdict ;-)>>>
IR,idu ungallukke nyAyamA irukkA?AnAlum ivlo kindal vendAm!Inda shruthibhedam-la neenga singam-na,nA eli!
And now,I wud just like to say something(enna pannaradhu?-ennai provoke panniteengale!)-If there's a confusion betn. KeeravANi and Natabhairavi,it can only be coz of the similarity of 5 swarams(the only difference being in Ni),and NOT COZ OF SHRUTHIBHEDAM,coz KeeravANi and Natabhairavi r in fact NOT shruthibhedams of each other!I havn't heard that song,but if the confusion is only betn. these 2 rAgAs,it surely cannot be due to Shruthibhedam.AIMVHO.
Inime satyamA inda topic edukkamAtten!
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.64)
on: Tue Jun 11 20:17:11 EDT 2002
Ram,rAgA names patthi ungallukku terinja aLavu kooda enakku teriyAdu! :-(
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 20:45:01 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
go ahead and try the above link...kEttuttu give ur verdict:-)
- From: IR (@ 4.64.206.71)
on: Tue Jun 11 21:56:00 EDT 2002
:-) Sindhuja - paravaalla ushaara thaan irukkeenga :-)
the combination of SB ragas which include NB - commonly referred to as KalHariNataShanKharaThodi cycle !!!! Absolutely no KeeravaNi :-)
SB Queen ungaLukku special title :-) because of ur special interest in the topic !!!!
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 21:58:00 EDT 2002
Enna marandAlum is 99.9% Natabhairavi,0.1% KeeravANi.A very slight splash of Ni3 in the first lines of both the charanams.
And a big "yes" nod(as usual!) to IR abt. "enge enge sellum". :-)
- From: a very happy Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 22:00:41 EDT 2002
IR,thanx a zillion!unga vAyAl inda mAdiri vArthai ellAm vAngarthukku nAn kuduthu vechirkanum! :-):-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.23)
on: Tue Jun 11 22:06:37 EDT 2002
BTW,Ram,article #2-really good! :-)
All the best!
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 22:07:45 EDT 2002
IR,
did u get my mail?(inime no more arivippus and talkings....directa seyalla iranga vendiyathuthaa nu nenaikaren)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Tue Jun 11 22:08:56 EDT 2002
Sindhuja thanks very much:-)(SB Queen's first Knighthood enakkuthaan pOla irukku;-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.136)
on: Tue Jun 11 23:02:41 EDT 2002
:-)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Wed Jun 12 00:25:01 EDT 2002
SB stands for Sruthi Bedham or Sindhu Bakthavatsalam?
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Wed Jun 12 00:33:14 EDT 2002
Or maybe Shankara Bharanam according to the same someone .... which reminds me ... of the 3 desh bhakti songs, we (I mean I) left out Jana Gana Mana out of the analysis. The Hindustani Raga is Bilawal:
Arohanam: S R G m P D N S'
Avarohanam: S' N D P m G R S
This is same as Sankarabharanam?
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126)
on: Wed Jun 12 01:36:54 EDT 2002
kavuththuteengaLae Sundar. Sindhuja oru elated state-kkuppoi irundhaar IR appadi sonnavudan. ippa neenga unmaya solli avanga kaala vaari vitteengaLae(rather siragai odichchiteengaLae) adadae [ read it with shivaji's effect ]
ok ok...adho MS varaar...naa illa...vidu joot....
btw my grand ma says that aenai aenna saeidhaai vaenkuzhalae FROM ivan is a raagamaalika coz down the line (i think during the second charanam or somewhere) sudha changes the raaga from Simhendra Madhyamam to HindhoLam. All i could find is there was a kind of change in her singing style (namma gnaana avvaLavu thaan) in the song which my gradma pointed out. makkaLs please clarify whether it is a raagamaalika or not.
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