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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.9) on: Sat Apr 19 09:41:52 EDT 2003
  
  Mythila, I guess the MD for Thoduvadhenna thendralO is GKV (Sabadham)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.31) on: Sat Apr 19 11:25:53 EDT 2003
  
  Vijay,
  I went through the Rajangham list and came up with the following technically correct time sampling:
  
  From’77
  Bhuvana Oru Kaelvikkuri
  
  From ‘78
  Ilamai Oonjalaadugiradhu
  Kaatrinilae varum geetham
  Priya
  Thyagam
  Achaani
  
  From’79
  Azagae Unnai Aaraadhikkiraen
  Dharma Yudham
  Pagalil Oar Iravu
  Niram Maaratha Pookkal
  Pattaakathi Bairavan
  Naan Vaazhavaippaen
  
  In fact, the list under '78 alone can prove my point about WCM in his music being there all along. But, yeah, if you favor "Poongaatru" to his earlier stuff then, we do crave different flavors.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.181) on: Sat Apr 19 13:31:24 EDT 2003
  
  'His early phase is so dear to me that it hurts to hear people praise his later lesser efforts.'
  
  Does this mean I cannot go on praising IR's works of the 90s and 2000s? Maybe we IR fans that were born after 1982 should go stick our heads in front of a rhinoceros' anus? Would that help Udhaya?
  
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.31.181) on: Sat Apr 19 13:34:39 EDT 2003
  
  What I mean to say is, should we just say IR after 1982 is TERRIBLE and THE WORST?
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Sat Apr 19 14:06:22 EDT 2003
  
  Udaya, that post 82 , IR's work has degraded is a sweeping statement IMO. I would like u to compare the song 'Vaanathu thaaragaiyo' from poonthottam , released sometime during late 90's with 'Vizhiyile' ,a song with a similar situation (where the hero is besotted with his sweetheart).You can see the refinement in the orchestration. (I don't want you to consider the lyrical and vocal quality).Definitely this song cannot be a product of a tired, burnt out composer.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.147.64) on: Sat Apr 19 15:54:24 EDT 2003
  
  <:'-<
  
  Udhaya, I've given your statement some serious reflecting upon, and it hit me, you must be ONE SAD MAN! I feel so sorry for you! I mean, not everyone will be gloating about your first six years on the planet forever, and I'm sure your parents, if they were sane, stable or whatnot, didn't go about bashing everyone who praised you after your sixth birthday.
  
  Now, know this! If you honestly think that everyone will downgrade everything else in favor of IR's music from 1977-1982, then you will NEVER be happy, because personal tastes are never the same between any two people.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Sat Apr 19 16:11:09 EDT 2003
  
  Purv, please cool it.
  
  The percentage definitely took a hit because of the sheer volume of films/songs as bb pointed out and also because IR had to constantly work with the likes of Ramarajan/Rajkiran etc. Remember those were the days when even a Kamalhaasan was giving 10 Sakalakalavallavans as compared to one Salangai Oli. Its bound to take a toll on the composer.
  But the absolute number of good songs/year was still somewhat constant throughout the 80s.
  
  As for his songs not sounding "fresh" after 1983, it depends somewhat on the age of the listener and the time in which they grew up :-) I am a bigger fan of the 78-83 period as well as those years were special to me growing up listening to IR and the nostalgia factor kicks in as well (I also believe that most composers try their best in their initial years and after some time because of over-exposure and because of their own disinterest their products start sounding a little jaded), but I would rather stay open-minded as far as appreciating the numerous good works he has done after 1983 and not ignore all or most of them as having been produced by a listless mind.
  
  If I did that I would have missed his MFM work "Guru" (which came as late as 1997)for example, which is probably superior, IMO to a lot of works that he did between 78-83 in terms of orchestration.
  
  Even right before ARRs entry, in 1991-92, if I remember right, within a span of 10 months or so(I was in college at that time) we had Idhayam, Dalapathi, Nadodi Thendral, Devar Magan, Gopura Vaasalile, Dharmadhurai etc. and an assortment of very good numbers from various different albums. I used to have several cassettes from these 2 years alone.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Sat Apr 19 17:01:12 EDT 2003
  
  And one more thing, correct me if I am wrong. The IR-Manirathnam and the IR-Fazil associations, to cite a couple amongst others, hadnt even begun by 1982. Indha combosla vandha paatukellam "freshness"la enna kuraichal? :-)
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Sat Apr 19 17:49:06 EDT 2003
  
  Purv,keep away from personal attacks.
  
  
• From: legitimate causes illegitimacy :-) (@ 12.84.243.67) on: Sat Apr 19 21:22:47 EDT 2003
  
  --digression
  
  Simply spb steals the hearts in this trio-competition. Pretty good number for week end.
  
  --end of digression ( and now let the match continue)
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.136.26.31) on: Sun Apr 20 01:47:14 EDT 2003
  
  purv,
  I'm pretty confident your head is still stuck in that smelly orifice you inquired about. I didn't dictate anyone to adhere to my taste. This is after all a forum to express one's views and discuss it. Of course, I chose Vijay to discuss it with because he knows music, I've enjoyed many of his posts and wanted to understand his stance.
  I'm not sad in anyway because of IR's downward spiral. I have plenty of other TFM and non-TFM music to listen to. I happen to be in a charitable mood today, but, this may be the last clean post from me to you though. Don't take this any further, I warn you. Enjoy what you want. I say what I want.
  
  mythila,
  I can state my preference and you can disagree. I didn't bite your head off for not liking new stuff did I? I liked some albums by IR in their entirety post 83. Many individual songs spread throughout the years. But I'm partial to his earlier stuff. All I did was object to the casual remark that his earlier work sounded like his predecessors while his later work showed WCM influence. This didn't seem right to me coming from someone like Vijay. From the likes of purv, it wouldn't have merited a response from me.
  
  Yes, Poonthoattam and Time are my favourite IR soundtracks of recent years. I also liked most of the R.V.Udhayakumar movies with IR in the 90s. Anyway, this is not an inquisition about me, nor do I need to justify my taste. Why can't one make sweeping comments when speaking of personal taste? If you don't agree, say your piece and make it civil, perhaps we both may learn something from it. If not discuss our different takes, what else are we doing here?
  
  Vijay,
  IR-Manirathnam, didn't do much for me. Vaali's worst cliches were churned out then (I know it doesn't matter to others, doesn't mean I shouldn't mention it, in fact, more reason for me to mention it). IR-Fazil, loved the movies and the songs fit the movies, but as stand alone songs, not that great to me. Mano was another atrocity during this phase, again for me. "Idhayathai Thirudathae" is like the poster child of this era, awful voice fo Mano, run of the mill lyrics by Vaalee drowned some truly good tunes. I listened to the Telungu versions and enjoyed those. But in many other movies, even the music was just okay for me. "Sandhaikku" from Dharmadhurai is one of my all time faves, but songs like these were the exception. There's a thread going on about top 5 IR albums in the 90s, I can't think of 5 entire albums from this period! I got 2 instantly:
  -Kizhakku Vaasal
  -Time
  
  -Gopura Vaasalilae (2 good songs but top 5 of the decade?)
  -Muthukkaalai (this needed a push after one phenomenal song)
  -Chinnakounder (2 great songs but...)
  
  Well, that's enough digression. Let's get back to some other unknown song by an MD without a fan base, that should return us to civility.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Apr 20 03:00:18 EDT 2003
  
  Udhaya
  
  Totally concur with you on the pre-82 notes.It was refreshing and the youthful exuberance was evident in each of his works.His experiments were working well.For eg a Pagalail oru Iravu or Dharma Yudhham never propped up post 82.As i have been insisting Payangal Mudhivadhillai marked a change in his attitude and music.Also the directors were becoming less and less demanding and were willing to take anything from him.
  
  Also I agree with you on Mani.Save for Nayagan (where he was desparate to make a mark as a VIABLE "ART" film maker) other movies do not present IR s calibre. Balu Mahendra failed to live up and Mahendran vanishing from the scene he had none to make demands which would have made him reach higher levels.A Nizhalgal /Niram maratha pookal would certainly stand the test of time but there were numerous "enna petha rasas" to counter few great works like Devar Magan post-82.
  
  But our voices get a colour because were are not blind.
  
  bb
  
  How about Kunnakudi s "Malaro Nilavo MalaimagaLo"(PJ) or "Sa Ri Ga Ma padhani ennum" (SPB VJ)from Raga Bandhangal.
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Sun Apr 20 04:26:30 EDT 2003
  
  OISG, liking or disliking is personal. But you cannot disregard the commercial success of IR-ManiRathnam combo. It would be like talking about MSVs songs without mentioning Bhim Singh. Although IR and Mani had worked together on just 9 or 10 albums, each one of them was a super duper hit(even when the film was a dud like Idhaya Kovil)
  I have my favourite songs from every one of these albums
  
  I am surprised that you guys mention Dharma Yudhdham. It had a couple of good Malaysia Vasudevan numbers that were hits in those times. But overall it cannot hold its own against wholesome albums like Idhaya Kovil or Dalapathi , IMO.
  
  Udhaya, I suspected earlier that your bias towards late 70s songs could have been due to the lyrics factor although I didnt mention it. You might have a point in that IR got to work with Kannadaasan and a young VM back then. I am not a great lyrics person myself and hence dont have any strong biases based on the lyrics quality. Its unfortunate though that some of IRs good songs got marred by bad lyrics and inferior voices in the late 80s. In such cases I listen to SPB's telugu versions rather than listening to Mano :-)
  
  In summary, although the percentage(of good songs) took a mild hit after 1983, when I browse thru my collections I find a sizeable number of songs that came during the mid and late eighties and hence personally its a little difficult for me to discount these years. I believe since the bad works were sizeable in number as well after 85,it clouds some of the better works that came from him during this period leaving overall a slightly negative picture. Its left to each one of us to seek the good works from the year-by-year list provided in the rajaangahm site. Thats how I realized some of the trends I am talking about.
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  OK, back to SOTD discussions :-)
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 43.244.27.90) on: Sun Apr 20 04:57:48 EDT 2003
  
  BB
  May be it will be a good idea to revive the djklhsf thread what with all the heat around?
  
  

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