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Ilayaraja made the world cinema to look into Sounth Indian Movies

Topic started by Bala (@ 4.37.102.100) on Fri Jan 3 16:44:17 EST 2003.
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Ilayaraja, the magnanimous name ,every other music lover of this century and in the future will know and remember.I inaugurate this thread to share our views about his great work to make the world to look into South Indian Movies.There was a time that people were interested to listen to hindi music, where everyone had a question infront whether we r going to acheive the quality of that kind.There came our isaignani to say "Here is the music that everyone loves" and delivered to the whole world.After his entry our culture(south indian) is exhibited to the whole world in an effecient manner which was lacked with all the other music directors.Manvaasani,intha mannin kaathal,intha mannin veeram,intha mannin pulamai endru ivan ivvulaghukku alli koduthathai neanivu kooruvom.When the whole world was talking about westernizing our music this Man made the western people to listen to our carnatic music.This great man helped lot of talented directors to deliver their thirst over our culture and made the movies look like evergreen.I personally request the admin to keep this thread open as a research thread to talk and share about that great man Ilayaraja who is making our south indian film industry to be proudly standing in front of the world.

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• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.109) on: Thu Jan 23 12:46:15 EST 2003
  
  MSV,IR,ARR can be said as tfm trinity.
  Unlike MSV who had KD's backing and ARR who has VM's backing, IR doesn't have great lyricist backing. Yet most of his songs stand out for sheer musical credit, greatness in composition. Eg: Edo mogum(mediocre lyrics with landmark music), Anandaraagam ketkum kaalam( again mediocre lyrics and great music in Simhendramadyamam raagam), Chendoorapoove(haunting melody with ordinary lyrics). I can quote lots of songs like that. Among the 3, MSV's and ARR 's songs are not topics of (I mean technical) discussion as much as IR's songs. IR's songs are talked more for musical value, technicalities as they are of immense interest to a person who is interested to analyse the nitty gritties of music.
  But all the 3 deliver good music.
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 23 20:03:36 EST 2003
  
  1. VM came into the field when IR was ruling!
  Big joke saying that IR didn't have good lyricists. In fact, IR's downfall began when he broke off with VM.
  
  2. Lyrical content was at its worst during IR's time, simply because he gave such prominence to the music that everything else was secondary.
  
  3. Technicalities of music has been always there during the entire evolution of TFM. It is just that YOU are interested in IR's period only.
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 4.37.102.100) on: Thu Jan 23 21:48:14 EST 2003
  
  hey comon sharma.. ilayaraja is always good.Vairamuthu was completely kicked from the industry when he refused to pen for ilayaraja.Then also ilayaraja was doing good only.But i wont agree that Raja didnt work with good lyricists.Vaali, ponnadiyan, kaamakodiyan,pazhanibarathy.. are really very good lyricists.Vaali is compritively good like vairamuthu.Even M.G.R. replaced kannadasan with vaali in padagoti which was a roaring success.Same thing with gopalakrishnan.. he replaced kannadasan with vaali for karpagam.I don't need to tell how good the songs are.Ilayaraja himself is a good lyricist which is a very good talent that any other music director can think of.What r u talkin about as technology.Technology will never come when u just inherit a western song and made it as indian song .Technology comes when u create ur music to the quality that western songs have.Ninaithaalae inikkum and Priya were released at the same period.But Ninaithaalae inikkum songs were like that u have already heard them somewhere.But Priya songs looked fresh.Plz don't think that i am criticising msv.He was a legend of his times.I'm sorry to say that he literally tried to westernize the tamil music whereas ilayraja tried to orcahestrate the tamil song to the western quality.He won in doing that also.Thats what raja is.Music is not only on the songs.. it has a lot to do with the BGM... i am leaving a open challenge to ARR .. will he be able to do a movie without any songs.Even if he does that will it be a successful movie.Its not only for ARR.. its for all this generation MD's including yuvan.For instance i have a chinese roommate.He use to watch a lot of indian movies(recent) with us.Whenever he listens to the songs he will tell its like that rap song its like that jazz song, its like an arbian song.Where is ur native music? Then only i have shown him some of raja's work.He is really impressed by his work. I like the hindi music bcoz of this only.Whatever the song that will always have a hindustani base.But we people are loosing our identity.
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Thu Jan 23 22:02:02 EST 2003
  
  Bala
  
  1. IR is good, not always good.
  
  2. When VM and IR split, it was IR who failed not VM. Don't forget another good lyricist Gangai Amaran. In fact, many people believe that GA was behind IR's 80s success.
  
  3. I guess you don't understand mythila's point on technology. Read her point and then read my response. You may then understand.
  
  4. In my opinion Ninaithaale Inikkum is far superior to Priya. Priya is significant because of the introduction of Stereo. With NI, MSV proved that he is THE mellisai mannan.
  
  5. Your suggestion on MSV westernising tamil music shows that you know VERY LITTLE of TFM pre-IR. I suggest you read up, listen and then comment on that period. No offense.
  
  6. As for BGM, even IR was totally influnced by MSV in his early days. See those early movies and you will know what I mean.
  Anyway BGM is like icing of the cake. The cake is THE MOST important thing you know.
  
  7. Talking about movies without songs, it has also been done pre-IR. Do some checking please. Do you know for the last 15 minutes of Aval Oru Thodarkathai, there was no dialogues at all. The entire story concluded with JUST music. Music by MSV.
  
  8. Your story on your Chinese friend does not impress me. If you invited your friend to your house and serve him saambhar saadham, he will say it is excellent. But will he eat that every day?
  Present day's music however, has transgressed all boundaries. Give credit where it is due please.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Jan 24 03:51:51 EST 2003
  
  Good response Sharma..though I am still don't know whom you support..Well you need not support any one..Its good if you are unbiased and see muisc as music and not as a product from perticular musician..
  
  Well ARR has done more that one film with out a song...
  One that comes to my mind now id FIRE...a huge hit in India and in festival circles...You can search net on its various reviews from western people from festivals...ARR is also mentioned in few for the music and BGM.
  
  But now ARR means basically songs..He is costly..So no producer will go to him with a film devoid of songs...Logic ..rite.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.109) on: Fri Jan 24 13:34:21 EST 2003
  
  This happened sometime in late 80's.I was new to the locality.My neighbours were playing the Moungaraagam video cassette in their house. I had not seen the movie yet. But I was so drawn by the melody of the rerecording music that I wanted to see what was going on. I mustered enough courage to barge into their house and watch the movie .
  Music transgresses all language , lyrical barrier is what I want to say.
  By technicalities, I meant the placement of swaras, notes which is brilliant and unusual in IR's compositions and I was not talking of technology.
  ARR is very good in sound engineering (acoustic and voice treatment). I don't think IR pays much attention to packaging aspect. Even his selection of singers is pathetic at times(Kamal, himself, Bhavatharini etc)
  
  
  
• From: m.sundar (@ ) on: Sun Feb 2 18:10:39 EST 2003
  
  Dear Mythila,
  In my observation,ilayaraja's compositions are a real challenge for the vocalists.He insists on the quality of singing rather than the quality of the voice.Keen observation would reveal that it is singing which dominates and not the instruments.Instruments accompany the singer.This methodology ascertains that the lyrical value of the song moves the listener.By this,the maestro maintains a perfect balance of the various nuances of music.The music of ilayaraja shows the concentration of classical phrases(be it western,carnatic or hindustani).
  The compositions of rehman allow the instruments to dominate the singing and lyrics.No doubt,the richness of various instruments is brought out but much of instrumentation results in the song not doing what it is intended to.
  While ilayaraja enthrals audience by 'raw music',with instruments manually and jointly played,rehman satisfies audience reducing instruments to micro chips.Though rehman sounds great,lack of concentration on the quality of singing fails to reach the listener's soul.
  To sum up,ilayaraja is the classroom in which all students gather,understand each other through interaction and work for the common cause(acquiring knowledge) in the school of music where Rehman is the canteen.
  Any comments?
  
  
  
• From: sivanathan (@ ) on: Thu Mar 6 22:14:07 EST 2003
  
  Ilayaraja has been the best the contry has ever seen.but dont try to draw a parellel between him and any other music director even if it is rehman.
  they belong to different eras.
  But my personel openion is yuvan will beat everyone.There is no doubt that he will be ruling the industry in the years to come
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.25.46) on: Thu Mar 6 22:35:34 EST 2003
  
  "best the contry has ever seen"....which country?...
  
  HE is popular only among Southies....not in the northern region....
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Thu Mar 6 23:27:41 EST 2003
  
  But North MDs See him.
  
  
• From: Mary (@ 210.210.32.250) on: Mon Mar 10 06:47:15 EST 2003
  
  
  
  I reproduce a note read on some site -
  "
  He is the fastest music notation writer as of present in the world
  His notations proves high clarity and written with high caliber.
  Despite huge achievements he is unnoticed by American musicians
  His notations for non-film compositions could serve as research papers and music school texts.
  His non-film albums include “nothing but wind”, “how to name it”, “India 24 hours”.
  He is the only composer in the world who had touched all styles of music followed by the world.
  He can reach both the poor and rich by means of his music.
  The hindrance behind his reach of music is because of his native language.
  He can compose for films and can satisfy musicians by his command over music grammar.
  He never takes any cues nor does he touch music instruments while writing.
  Notations are written and performed without any flaw. No corrections no mistakes.
  "
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: hmc (@ 61.11.60.38) on: Mon Mar 10 09:14:59 EST 2003
  
  I agree that IR made the world turn towards tamil music and carnatic music. I heared that many of the US citizen do research in IR music and IR is considered as No.1 music director of the world in Classical music. Can anyone please clear my doubt.
  
  
  

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