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What is missing in AR RAHMAN's Latest Albums??

Topic started by Theepan (@ 209.197.171.58) on Sun May 4 05:35:24 EDT 2003.
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I am sure as you all know that lately, Rahman's songs have not become what they used to be; mega hits. People have different opinions as to why this is the case... please share your thoughts.

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• From: iratheepan (@ 68.89.164.102) on: Tue Dec 7 14:19:13 EST 2004
  
  Sigh u guys will never give up.go listen to Swades & Kisna.Even his recent Tamil albums Boys,E20U18,AE,New and KKS.
  
  what is missing in TN are good stories worth writing music for.
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Tue Dec 7 14:24:22 EST 2004
  
  "Even his recent Tamil albums Boys,E20U18,AE,New and KKS."...none of them had even 10% of the quality of alai payudhe:-(
  
  "go listen to Swades & Kisna" - That's sheer arrogance to ask TN people to listen to HFM:-( Looks like we are going back in time to 70's when it was snob to listen to HFM...
  
  "what is missing in TN are good stories worth writing music for." - This has been the case for quite long man. Do you mean to say films like `kadhalan' had great stories for ARR to score excellent songs? He had stuff (or resources) then which is clearly lacking now.
  
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Tue Dec 7 15:00:00 EST 2004
  
  Vambu,
  
  Swades is being dubbed into tamil as Desam. Will you care to listen to that?
  
  Guys,
  
  It is ARR's prerogative to select what movies he wants to do. If 'you' are going to be regionalistic and insist that you wont listen to any music other than TFM, so be it. That does not mean ARR should stick just to TFM...
  
  Why is IR translating Thiruvasagam into english and using it in his work? Doesnt he know that tamil people want to listen only to tamil music??
  Like ARR, IR has come to know that hindi, or english for that matter has a bigger and wider audience than Tamil. This does NOT mean that Tamil is any less important. It is just that any music composer 'with stuff' would want their music to be accessed and appreciated by as many people as possible. Be it IR, ARR, VS etc. etc.
  
  If you were in ARR's position, receiving worldwide acclaim for your music, what would you do? (Ex. His music for Thiruda Thirdua was featured on the BBC channel; all the hollywood reviewers of Lagaan were extremely impressed with the music) Would you throw all that away and say "No, I was born in Tamil nadu... I am not going to betray tamil language by going around the world and composing music for 'other' languages".
  
  Wont you have even the slightest ideas in your mind to further explore those possibilites and see if you can get further success outsid your country?
  
  And please, if you are going to comment on any music make sure that you listen to it first and then come here... Nattami, u havent even heard the song properly, but you still have comments... (Nattamai: Yeah! sure... As if TB can compose all kinds of IR's songs.. "yeh jo" though I heard only partially from the promo, that song sounds more like a SEL composition... )
  
  Modalla patta kelungappa, appurama comment adinga... Edavadu sollunume-nu solra maadiri irukku!
  
  
• From: piratheepan (@ 68.89.164.102) on: Tue Dec 7 15:01:43 EST 2004
  
  I'm saying he is getting tired of the old stories. Which means he isnt inspired to do the same old same old."Go listen to Swades and Kisna" music is music man.If u want to see what he is capable of with an inspiring story there it is.Just like IR. u listen to his Dinesh or other wash outs versuses sumthin with a good story.
  
  I prefer the new music he is commin out with.I don't think it is resources. If that is the case then how could he come out with such songs as Swades & Kisna or the recent tamil films?
  
  Sorry.but i still feel he has lots of steam and this is just the beginning.
  
  And to those who keep saying ARR is all abt synth sounds etc, IR uses synth, YSR and many others. It takes talent to use it properly.Also those who say its the assistants I find that ridiculous.Especially HJ, becuz the man does not have much to offer. I respect Pravin Mani and Joshua Sridhar for making their own music.
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Tue Dec 7 15:36:09 EST 2004
  
  Dude & Piradheepan,
  Why do you guys drag IR and others into this discussion? Nobody in his sane mind would compare a retired genius (i.e. IR, who is probably trying to do something for his personal satisfaction and not commercial success anymore) with people of his children's age...
  
  ARR's performance in TFM is deteriorating...who cares what he does elsewhere? If he is so good elsewhere why should he continue to produce mediocre stuff in TFM? Can't he stop that altogether?
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Tue Dec 7 15:39:45 EST 2004
  
  And, FYI, I DID listen to Boys and it's not even worth listening a third time. Compare that with the stuff he did in Gentleman, kadhalan, jeans, indian and mudhalvan...don't talk something for argument's sake...nenja thottu sollunga, will you put that trash in the class of the prior five?
  
  
• From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0.40.10) on: Tue Dec 7 16:11:55 EST 2004
  
  I know what was missing Harris Jeyaraj, Praveenmani from now on Joshua Sridhar :)
  
  
• From: piratheepan (@ 68.89.164.102) on: Tue Dec 7 16:32:06 EST 2004
  
  Yesh I prefer Boys over the ones u just listed.
  Those had one or two songs each which i put over Boys but as a whole album i enjoyed Boys more than those.
  
  How come others are allowed to be dragged to nay say ARR but not the other way ard...INTERESTING..
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Tue Dec 7 17:01:38 EST 2004
  
  Vambuji,
  
  There is nothing wrong in the way I brought IR into this discussion. I did not degrade his music or demean him personally. Did you even get the point I was trying to make??
  
  Please do not quote me out of context.
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Tue Dec 7 17:17:47 EST 2004
  
  piratheepan, if you prefer boys over jeans, well, we are poles apart in taste and I see no point in discussing about TFM with you...enjoy what you like!
  
  Dude, when the discussion point is the deteriorating quality of ARR's TF albums, why drag thiruvasagam etc.? If IR's movie albums are mediocre, they'll be thrashed in an appropriate thread anyway. Why try to justify the mediocre stuff the puyal is dishing out to TFM by comparing with other spent forces or new mediocre composers? He has his own benchmarks...if someone is musically improving over his past performances, then he is on the ascending phase of career...When that's lacking, it's better to analyse why rather than telling story'la ottai, northla mazhai etc.
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Tue Dec 7 17:26:34 EST 2004
  
  campus interview'layum allamalum job kidaikkadha oruthan kashtappattu gate ezhudhi 1 varusham gap vitta pin IITil M Tech padikkum bothu,
  
  "IIT'la padikkaradha vittuttu yarachchum infosys'la velaikkuppovangala"
  -nnu sonna epdi irukkum? andha madhiri irukku unga comparisons.
  
  When ARR cannot meet the benchmark he set with MR / Shankar's earlier films, who cares if he rehashes something for ALW?
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Tue Dec 7 17:44:38 EST 2004
  
  The thread topic is : "What is missing in AR RAHMAN's Latest Albums??" We are discussing ARR's albums in all languages not just tamil albums.
  
  Now dont say, this is newtfmpage, we should not discuss any music other than tamil music...
  
  In any case, as you yourself stated a few posts back, since ARR is a product of TFM, as tamilians we MUST be proud of what he is achieving nationwide as well as world wide.
  
  
• From: Jaiganesh (@ 203.101.103.2) on: Tue Dec 7 22:14:08 EST 2004
  
  Hi Guys!
  i have read enough on various criticisms on ARR and IR. I personally feel, what is lacking in ARR's recent albums (I only listen to his Tamil albums), is time. He is stretched fully!! otherwise he is not the person who thinks of only 2 or 3 good songs in an album of 6 songs. I have been observing that little TFM that he is doing is due to compulsions. He feels obliged to do music for Bharathi Raja and Mani Ratnam and Shankar in spite of his heavy international commitments. I think finally he has started telling them to be judicious and go for other talented MDs. Anniyan went to HJ(I feel it must be ARRs recommendation) and Kaadhal went to JS.
  
  Thanks,
  Jaiganesh.
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 66.225.241.61) on: Wed Dec 8 00:26:58 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  --- And please, if you are going to comment on any music make sure that you listen to it first and then come here... Nattami, u havent even heard the song properly, but you still have comments... (Nattamai: Yeah! sure... As if TB can compose all kinds of IR's songs.. "yeh jo" though I heard only partially from the promo, that song sounds more like a SEL composition... ) Modalla patta kelungappa, appurama comment adinga... Edavadu sollunume-nu solra maadiri irukku!
  
  I don't buy his albums and I don't listen to his albums unless they come on TV for FREE. So I voiced my opinion based on what I heard on the promo. That leaves the possibility of listening full songs of TB. So if you heard the song full, tell me whehter it sounds like SEL song or not. That is enough for me :))
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 66.225.241.61) on: Wed Dec 8 00:39:35 EST 2004
  
  MADDY:
  
  Seems like agree with my points except the following one:
  
  ---- "Again he is gone in 8 years, from 92-2000, not 10 years as you claim. Not all the MDs have been working on Synth from 92. So they did not take 10 years to beat him. They should have worked for a few years to get into it. You are wrong again." buddy, we r talking abt. a business trick which can earn u Rs.1 Crore in 2-3 months and still it took YSR,HJ,VS and IR 8yrs (96 months/2880 days) to learn that...jesus christ....going by this,then tamil musicians are a bunch of buffons......
  
  Well, I think you didn't get my point. YSR & HJ were not started their careers in 1992. YSR came to the field in 1997 when he was 16 years old. So he probably took two/three years to learn the technology. HJ was working with TB for a few years (definitely not from 1992) So my point is YSR & HJ did not take ten years to reach the position where they are now. Probably VS was the only guy around during early 90s. I think his Karna came out in 1993/94. THEY DID NOT TAKE 8 YEARS TO KNOCK TB DOWN, MAY BE 3/4 YEARS MAX. And I am sure you know for how long TB worked in the industry to dish out Roja. He might have worked more 10 years with synths to get into the field.
  
  --- "yes IR can never compose a junk song like "Yeh jo des hai tera"......buddy, that is a song abt. gr8ness of our motherland.....so more than an ARR song it is an patriotic song.....yaa wat else u can xpect from IR fans.....IR comes first and then India isn't it???y is it that buddies IR has composed a very few patriotic songs????
  
  hahhahah... I think it is better not to reply to your silly and childish opinions. BTW, how old are you?
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.212) on: Wed Dec 8 04:10:37 EST 2004
  
  to nattamai:
  i'm 22 and y is it that i've never heard any patriotic song from IR yet??????
  even 3 yrs is a lot of time......but weren't others trying as well......wat did ARR have and others didn't have????even ARR was a poor man in 1992.....is my question clear???
  Y THE HECK IT WAS JUST ARR COMPOSING MUSIC ON SYNTH IN TFM&HFM FROM 1992-2000,and y not anybody else in the whole population of TN or India?????
  
  

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