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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri May 5 10:39:22 EDT 2000
  
  Krishna, Athi, murli, Echo, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,
  
  First, don't you think that identifying a song as a copy is more objective (based on technicalities and hard facts) rather than subjective statements like 'enakku thOnradhu', or 'I feel daa', or 'somebody said'. So obviously at this level of discussion a certain level of knowledge in music becomes a necessity (to state the observations in technical terms). More important than missing out a copy, one (we) should not be accusing a song as a copy when it is not so.
  
  What the heck, I am going to say openly, what you guys have been beating about the bush for - I believe that most of your accusations are towards the posts of Srikanth. Srikanth posts in a hurry, may not use the best words in the English language with the choicest flow of paragraphs - But the man knows his music. Does that mean he doesn't do mistakes? Of course he does. But why don't you focus on the many positives he has contributed (for example go to the IR/ARR usage of instruments). You guys accused (some of you) of MS and myself being jalras to Srik. I am not in a mood for picking an argument or fight with you. Trust me, MS and I, and a host of others in this DF have had numerous arguments (healthy but sizzling) with Srik and among each other. As MS mentioned our mutual respect is grown out of these discussions/arguments. If you have the time go through the archives. If not, hold your judgement on others.
  
  I had listed a whole lot of names in the so called expert panel - Do you think all of them are biased OR stupid enough to be part of anything which they do not believe in OR insecure enough in their musical knowledge that they have to accept all opinions/observations/comments from a select clique of member(s) merely because it came from that source (even if it is not correct)?
  
  Athi & Echo: I repeat (Echo: you must be used to this by now), you have all the freedom in this world to post in this thread or any other thread (subject however to the approval of the newtfmpage admin.). Similarly, a few of us have a freedom to collectively decide whether a song is a copy, inspiration or whatever. You may have an opinion on that but, thanks! We didn't ask for it.
  I have maintained a certain level of etiquette in my responses over the past few days (and surprised even myself). But I am tired of this endless argument. But anymore, I am not going to dignify your comments with a response.
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Fri May 5 10:52:25 EDT 2000
  
  bb:
  What happened to my discourse against copying ? :-( I wrote in some Deva-centric thread. It's missing from the archives. That gives a lot of reasons why people should vehemently oppose copying. This should answer Prakash's post.
  
  UV:
  BS has been used before in the DF without any opposition. Crap is another commonly used term. The other expletives that you mentioned have not been used and if they have been used, they have been censored. This has been done with a sufficient level of consistency to indicate that the newtfmpage Admins know their job and are applying their powers of discretion fairly and uniformly.
  
  Athi/Murli:
  To unambiguously identify copies, you need a limited number of knowledgeable people and a focussed agenda. The opinions of this select group is always open to criticism by the general public. They are laying their reputations on the line by taking this initiative. You have not even expressed a definite reservation like Krishna has. You are just asking for as much attention as the more knowledgeable crowd. What you are asking for is not democracy in this forum but communism. Sharpen your wits, hone your skills, learn a lot more about music than you presently know and then demand to be treated on par with the others. Atleast establish a reputation for level-headedness before asking that your opinions be seriously considered. You are being trashed here simply because you have been making fools of yourselves. Want proof ? Go back and look at your earlier posts. Yes, we have all been culpable of moronic behavious at some time or the other. But most of us learn our lessons quickly. I don't care whether you improve as a person by learning these lessons. It would just give me a more pleasant experience here in the DF.
  
  Krishna:
  The DF is IR's last bastion. As long as we listen to music, we won't let any Srikanth, rajaG or MS get away with BS against HIM :-) They are the first to acknowledge this. But blind idol worship like Athi's or ECHO's will not help our cause any.
  
  Murli:
  There used to be a thread called "Politeness and this forum". I think your grouse against MS can be better expressed there. But I would suggest that you read through the old responses in that thread. It speaks a lot about MS and his attitude (and incidentally, mine too :-)).
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri May 5 11:07:06 EDT 2000
  
  Srinath: I KNOW when you included my name in the "We won't let any.....get away with any BS against HIM" that you were including it merely as an example AND did not seriously think that I have or have the potential of purporting such an act (without basis). But will lesser mortals (than you, Krishna and me of course!) understand you? I am worried now. God! It is a crime to be intelligent!!:-)))
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ pppa32-resalefremont1-2r1018.saturn.bbn.com) on: Fri May 5 11:08:05 EDT 2000
  
  hellllo..... is anybody there looking for ORIGINAL and DUPLICATE's :-)
  
  ennapa idhu, u guys have beaten ladies "kuzhai adi sandaai".....
  
  but one thing, if anything can stop people from copying - its their CONSIENCE (did i speel it correctly - avargaloda manasatchi...... other than that nothing can..... do we think that just by putting this "asalum" "nagalum" they are going to change.... i don't feel so.... but onething atleast there will be a database of copied songs.... not more than that.... do we think that the MD's copy without their knowledge (what we call inspiration, joke)..... i don't think so.... whoever copies, does it with intention, so what is the point..... most of DEVA's (copied) songs were hit..... just like someone earlier asked "so what if he copies, i like the song".... hmm.. thats the attitude with most out there.... its this mentality that should change.... will it????
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri May 5 11:12:39 EDT 2000
  
  sabesan: that attitude will change when (if) the first law suit outside India is slapped on an MD/Producer/Director and they are made to feel the pain!!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ws55.telsoft.net) on: Fri May 5 11:13:52 EDT 2000
  
  mmm strange... This thread was missing for past 1 hour and now it re appears with so many postings :))
  Was it missing only on my browser or did it happen to others too??
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Fri May 5 11:15:12 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG and Co:
  Just to clarify, I used your names in place of Tom, D.ck & Harry :-) Podhuma ? :-))
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ pppa32-resalefremont1-2r1018.saturn.bbn.com) on: Fri May 5 11:18:04 EDT 2000
  
  ramki it was not missing.... somehow this guy got to the top in the list :-)
  
  rajaG, enna "ennuvadellam Oaairvullam" thirukuraal madhiri irukku unga thought :-)
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Fri May 5 12:04:02 EDT 2000
  
  so what if he copies, i like the song
  
  if that is the attitude, devil save us (god really won't).
  
  
• From: murli (@ stealth.kirenet.com) on: Fri May 5 12:07:47 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG, why are you bent on forming your own expert group, certifying each other ? Who are you to classify people as knowledgable or not? As ravi, krishna and athi said, the copies can put in front of everyone and let everyone vote on it and also discuss. No one should be given some speical preferential treatment. This selective group can misuse its rights.
  
  Why are you silent on the suggestion by ravi, and athi on open voting and discussion of ideas? All that you do is to say “I am not going to dignify your comments with a response.”, “I don’t believe in democracy”, “You may have an opinion on that but, thanks! We didn't ask for it.” How can you curb others from expressing their opinion in newtfmpage which is not owned by you? You are free to form expert group in your own private email list or something. Don’t curb the democracy in newtfmpage.
  And also you are definitely biased. yhen youcan defend srikanth and certify his knowledge, why havent you condemned his use of bad words aginst others? Arent you biased?
  
  MS, you give half page reply, but that conveniently avoids thequestion that I asked about Srikanth’s use of bad words. Do you approve it? And what does his using bad words agianst others say about him? Can you give straight answer? And by rajaG’s posting “obviously at this level of discussion a certain level of knowledge in music becomes a necessity (to state the observations in technical terms).”. You feel you are not qualified and say that even people like you are in expert team, but rajaG says expert group needs “certain amount of knowledge – technical etc”. Inspite of this, expert group is keen on some people like you just to get their views accepted and curb others. Isnt this funny?
  
  srinath, justbecause someone has used bad words before, that doesnot mean that use of bad words is ok, justified and permitted. Using bad words is BAD. And it needs tobe condemned.
  
  
• From: murli (@ stealth.kirenet.com) on: Fri May 5 12:08:33 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG, why are you bent on forming your own expert group, certifying each other ? Who are you to classify people as knowledgable or not? As ravi, krishna and athi said, the copies can put in front of everyone and let everyone vote on it and also discuss. No one should be given some speical preferential treatment. This selective group can misuse its rights.
  
  Why are you silent on the suggestion by ravi, and athi on open voting and discussion of ideas? All that you do is to say “I am not going to dignify your comments with a response.”, “I don’t believe in democracy”, “You may have an opinion on that but, thanks! We didn't ask for it.” How can you curb others from expressing their opinion in newtfmpage which is not owned by you? You are free to form expert group in your own private email list or something. Don’t curb the democracy in newtfmpage.
  And also you are definitely biased. yhen youcan defend srikanth and certify his knowledge, why havent you condemned his use of bad words aginst others? Arent you biased?
  
  MS, you give half page reply, but that conveniently avoids thequestion that I asked about Srikanth’s use of bad words. Do you approve it? And what does his using bad words agianst others say about him? Can you give straight answer? And by rajaG’s posting “obviously at this level of discussion a certain level of knowledge in music becomes a necessity (to state the observations in technical terms).”. You feel you are not qualified and say that even people like you are in expert team, but rajaG says expert group needs “certain amount of knowledge – technical etc”. Inspite of this, expert group is keen on some people like you just to get their views accepted and curb others. Isnt this funny?
  
  srinath, justbecause someone has used bad words before, that doesnot mean that use of bad words is ok, justified and permitted. Using bad words is BAD. And it needs tobe condemned.
  
  

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