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Shankar-Jaikishan & Illyaraja

Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Fri Jun 1 12:15:20 EDT 2001.
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SJ were certainly the most prolific and best MD's of their time. They were responsible for the most number of hits during their reign at the top. I think they can certainly match up to Illyaraja in terms of quality, quantity and versatality. If Jaikishan hadn't passed away in 71, they would have definetly ruled over RDB, LP or any other challenge that would have come their way in the future. They were legends and were very excellent. What do you guys think ??

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• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed Aug 1 14:53:48 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  
  I never thrashed SPB as you said and it has been other people who are thrashing Rafi. I have always said that SPB is a good singer and a legend and that he has mentioned that Rafi is the best and will always be the best. Please don't make comments like those. By the way, can you tell me what IR has said about Shankar-Jaikishan as well as if he said anything about Laxmikant-Pyarelal who were his contemporaries.
  
  
• From: J.M.Pradhan (@ ) on: Fri Sep 28 03:40:17 EDT 2001
  
  Dear music lover
  
  I am fan of SJ since I laerned to listen the music from radio celon. SJ is one of the most verstile musicians of Indain Cinema. Clssical numbers of Basanta Bhar, Amar Pali, folk songs of Jaunglee, and Professer, and other melodious sons of hundreds of hindi movie , I can never forget.
  
  I think the Latamangeshkar's policy of not allowing new commers in 60s and 70s have maid SJ's down fall. Rajkapoor had to remove Shankar becuse of Lata. In fact the songs of Mera Nam Joker are one of the best songs of hindi movie. The discovery of Sardha was not liked by Lata group and that was the reason that producers was changing SJ banner.
  
  The discovery of Sharda was also great deed of Shankhar and if you compare with Sharda's song with present days pop singers certaily her songs are excellent.
  
  It is very surprising that Indain TV chanels are highlighting only R.D.Burman.They are forgetting SJ and many more great music directors of Hindi cinema. No doubt R.D. aslo great musicians but why Sony TV is trying to give impression that Raj Kapoor has composed music in his filims in the programme calle "unforgatvle...". I think in present Indain TV channel is greatly influnced by R.D. Burman's group or the programme producer are of too young who does not have much idea of Inadian melodic songs and their music directors.
  
  I think based upon the life history TV chanels should make a serial. We do'nt want to forget great Naushad, S.D.Burman, Salil Chowadhary, madon Mohan....Shanker Jikrishen ...
  
  They should stop biased propaganda of R.D
  
  Thanks
  
  Jayaiswer
  
  
• From: J.M.Pradhan (@ ) on: Fri Sep 28 03:42:19 EDT 2001
  
  Dear music lover
  
  I am fan of SJ since I laerned to listen the music from radio celon. SJ is one of the most verstile musicians of Indain Cinema. Clssical numbers of Basanta Bhar, Amar Pali, folk songs of Jaunglee, and Professer, and other melodious sons of hundreds of hindi movie , I can never forget.
  
  I think the Latamangeshkar's policy of not allowing new commers in 60s and 70s have maid SJ's down fall. Rajkapoor had to remove Shankar becuse of Lata. In fact the songs of Mera Nam Joker are one of the best songs of hindi movie. The discovery of Sardha was not liked by Lata group and that was the reason that producers was changing SJ banner.
  
  The discovery of Sharda was also great deed of Shankhar and if you compare with Sharda's song with present days pop singers certaily her songs are excellent.
  
  It is very surprising that Indain TV chanels are highlighting only R.D.Burman.They are forgetting SJ and many more great music directors of Hindi cinema. No doubt R.D. aslo great musicians but why Sony TV is trying to give impression that Raj Kapoor has composed music in his filims in the programme calle "unforgatvle...". I think in present Indain TV channel is greatly influnced by R.D. Burman's group or the programme producer are of too young who does not have much idea of Inadian melodic songs and their music directors.
  
  I think based upon the life history TV chanels should make a serial. We do'nt want to forget great Naushad, S.D.Burman, Salil Chowadhary, madon Mohan....Shanker Jikrishen ...
  
  They should stop biased propaganda of R.D
  
  Thanks
  
  Jayaiswer
  
  
• From: oNNumE puriyalE ulagaththilE (@ 63.253.226.64) on: Fri Sep 28 16:06:23 EDT 2001
  
  J.M. Pradhan, that must have been a very informative post, only that I could not understand the contents. For the benefit of lesser mortals, please reproduce your post in English.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Mon Oct 1 05:48:07 EDT 2001
  
  Given below is a site created as a dedication to the carnatic caliber of ilaiyaraaja. Would like to have your comments.
  
  http://ilaiyaraaja_ragam.tripod.com/ilaiyaraaja_ragam/id5.html
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ 203.199.130.30) on: Mon Oct 1 12:29:23 EDT 2001
  
  mr pradhan:
  
  SJ are far inferior as compared to IR, so please learn english grammar.
  
  Secondly Sharada fits into the category of "worst singer ever born". Also songs of Mera Naam Joker are very average. U seem to severly lack HFM knowledge.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.144) on: Mon Oct 1 13:15:30 EDT 2001
  
  mr. rajesh ,
  don't drag IR into Pradhan's post. He has not mentioned IR anywhere in his. It will irk other DFer's.
  
  Pradhan:
  you should have posted this in a relevant thread, involving SJ and RD and other Hindi MD's.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: raj (@ 203.199.130.208) on: Mon Oct 1 22:37:30 EDT 2001
  
  
  The discovery of Sharda was also great deed of Shankhar and if you compare with Sharda's song with present days pop singers certaily her songs are excellent.
  
  
  All present day singers - KSC,SL,AK,Kavita,Sadhana,Harini,Sujatha... are much better than the screechy Sharada. Sharada does not have a SINGLE good song
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ ) on: Mon Oct 15 21:38:33 EDT 2001
  
  One thought :
  
  Do you guys think that SJ could have challenged the likes of RDB, LP, KA and others in the 70's and 80's if they had been around together. Considering the fact that they won 3 filmfare awards from 70-72, I think if Jaikishan was still there, they would have easily hung on to the numero uno spot. This is also considering that they had quit a few hits in the early seventies such as Mera Naam Joker, Andaz, Tum Haseen Mein Jawan and Pagla Kahin Ka. Though LP gave a big hit to RK for Bobby, I think SJ would have fought back and proved to RK that they were the best. I know that Shankar tried to make a comeback by himself and proved a point with scores like Lal Patthar and Sanyasi, but his career went downhill after that and producers also left him. If this hadn't happened, I think he could have posed a serious threat to the others.
  
  What do you guys think ?.
  
  
• From: kAvalkAran (@ 63.253.227.103) on: Mon Oct 15 22:21:27 EDT 2001
  
  IMF,
  It is getting tiresome now. If the posting involves only the HFM composers, it cannot find a place here.
  
  
• From: Devika (@ ) on: Wed Feb 12 20:34:53 EST 2003
  
  Does anyone have the lyrics for:
  Main teri prem diwani, meera, meera?
  please give them to me!!
  
  
• From: Devika (@ ) on: Wed Feb 12 20:35:04 EST 2003
  
  Does anyone have the lyrics for:
  Main teri prem diwani, meera, meera?
  please give them to me!!
  
  
• From: Fan (@ ) on: Thu Apr 10 01:36:39 EDT 2003
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/s/?q=shankar%20jaikishan&c=0303&n=260
  
  I think this is one of the sweetest songs of all time in the history of music. Those guys are magnificent. I don't understand how Salil Chowdhry was considered superior to the duo, who has composed the most melodious songs ever in history of music.
  
  
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/s/?q=shankar%20jaikishan&c=0303&n=260
  
  the second last song - gang ram ki samaj
  
  Of course, IR' has got many melodious tunes embedded in the interludes and has no competition to creativity, SJ' songs are simply so melodious, plus extraordinarily vibrant, especly Shammi Kapoor songs, full blooded tunes and very very very exotic. How did they do it?
  
  
• From: Fan (@ 65.176.169.130) on: Thu Apr 10 02:32:13 EDT 2003
  
  Before i get mopped by my own kindred folks (IR fans) I just have to say that SJ and IR are perhaps the only comparable composers. One of the duo was a southie, right? another a Gujurati. has there been another gujurati or andhra composer in the hindi scene and coming out as sheer geniuses? SJ's focus was on making tunes for singers and thus melody content was prime most in their minds and i have not heard such complicated melodies from other composers (RDB, SDB,LP perhaps overrated formula tunes!)
  
  IR' focus has been on style, folk tunes and intrumental part and thus u can see very complex tunes in those portions, singers were secondary for most part. I mean IR may not have used SPB the way SJ have given Mohammed Rafi scope to freak out. Plus, I am fascinated by Suman Kalyanpuri' voice and singing?
  
  I would say that SJ has about 60 of the most melodious songs ever, and IR has about 30 of the most melodious songs in a world with only about 100 most melodious songs ;--))))) Thrilling & very sweet tunes songs like for Sammi Kapore SJ may hav about 100, IR has about 50! Great songs with original great tunes and extraordinary interlueds/preludes/chorus/, SJ may have about 25 and IR has about 2500! Great songs with poor orchestration because of no competion, IR has about 500, SJ may have 100, Weak songs with super orchestration IR may have another 200 (eg.: Sadma!!!!!!!!, i agree with LV on that one) and SJ has 0 (their orchestration is lopsided) Stupid songs IR may have 500, SJ may have a 1000! Just an analysis only. give credit where due!
  
  
• From: pranav (@ 202.142.68.94) on: Thu Apr 10 05:23:35 EDT 2003
  
  What ever it may be but IR's songs are always MElodious(90% of osngs)
  
  
• From: truth (@ 128.194.171.34) on: Thu Apr 10 12:32:33 EDT 2003
  
  hi
  could anybody give me the link to listen to "uravugal thodarkathai" from aval appaditha. i have been searching for this song for a lonnnnnnnnnnng time still no luck ...
  
  thankx
  
  
• From: sudarshan Pandey (@ ) on: Thu Jun 5 02:09:40 EDT 2003
  
  I believe that there is no comparison amongst the music directors of yesterday...I am also fan of Shanker-Jaikishan, i have also listened to music of Respected IR (only few). Stalwarts like Ravi, Naushad, Madam Mohan even S N Tripathi, Chitragupta and may others music directors of y/day have created music and everyone had gave some immortal tunes...
  But if someone says that RD or LP were a threat to them it is not true...You can see that every music director has a bad phase in his/her life. RD too had and what happened to LP ? just after death of Laxmikant it seems Pyarelal has nothing to do ..But it was Shanker who even after death of Jaikishan strruggled. Indeed Sharda was his weakness and it hampered his relation with RK and his partner Jaikishan, but he proved himself in Lal Patthar, Seema, Sanyasi, Do-Jhooth, Chorni, and he was very good in Door Nahin Manjil (a film produced by hari walia ,-- a sanjeev kumar starrer) and He was really very very different in LOVE IN BOMBAY (unfortunately this tilm was shelved by Joy Mukherjee and he did not count this film as his film) otherwise the scene would have changed..There has been unjustice to Shanker in his post Bobby life..Those who say that Raj Kapoor was the original music director of his films then what happened to him after Bobby ? Only it were LP who wanted to prove that they can be a better replacement of SJ so that they gave hard labour..But (?) Even if they were fine in Satyam Shivam sundaram and Prem Rog but they could not render hard labour given in the time of making music for Bobby..and Raj Kapoor could not get the music he wanted.....
  
  

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